Baroclinic Zone Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: We know how that goes. Those trees don’t come down from 45mph winds. The trees certainly had much higher. We do. We don't measure the winds meteorologically at tree level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: My Davis and TAN say otherwise. 45 at home and 46 TAN 8 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: We know how that goes. Those trees don’t come down from 45mph winds. The trees certainly had much higher. The data is what it is. Highly doubtful my station bobs and TAN were all significantly off. The winds weren’t that impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: The data is what it is. Highly doubtful my station bobs and TAN were all significantly off. The winds weren’t that impressive I think what it shows is how often people over-estimate winds too. 45mph on fully leafed mature hardwoods is big severe wind to be honest. It doesn’t have to be 60-70mph like many seem to think and then also assume it was that high for large tree damage. 45mph in a forest is big wind. I know at the ski area and on the mountain, 40-50mph is serious wind. I think we get numb to it because of high progs and people estimating higher… but measured 45mph is legit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: The data is what it is. Highly doubtful my station bobs and TAN were all significantly off. The winds weren’t that impressive I think you guys are missing the point. You had 50-60 ripping through the trees. Not 30’ off the ground or near a frictional surface like a roof with trees around it do disrupt the flow of wind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: The data is what it is. Highly doubtful my station bobs and TAN were all significantly off. The winds weren’t that impressive You gusted 60-70 there. All of Taunton did .You can Debbie and deny all you want. You and Bob live in the coastal plain and were in the max area of LLJ with nothing between you and the ocean except swamps and houses. You don’t wipe out 20,000 outages from 45 mph gusts. We had that here waaaay inland and only lost 1800 to outages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: You gusted 60-70 there. All of Taunton did .You can Debbie and deny all you want. You and Bob live in the coastal plain and were in the max area of LLJ with nothing between you and the ocean except swamps and houses. You don’t wipe out 20,000 outages from 45 mph gusts. We had that here waaaay inland and only lost 1800 to outages Not likely Further East did . Big difference in damage between KTAN and the pics to the East. Nite and day difference . KTAN didn’t sniff those numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Not likely Further East did . Big difference in damage between KTAN and the pics to the East. Nite and day difference . KTAN didn’t sniff those numbers Yeah not 60-70 most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Not likely Further East did . Big difference in damage between KTAN and the pics to the East. Nite and day difference . KTAN didn’t sniff those numbers Yes it’s actually been verified via obs. Take a look 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Yes it’s actually been verified via obs. Take a look You ain’t wiping out a big municipality grid like TAN for days over a few gusts to 45 Mph lol. They ripped . Ground obs there confirm 45-62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 28 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: You ain’t wiping out a big municipality grid like TAN for days over a few gusts to 45 Mph lol. They ripped . Ground obs there confirm 45-62 Power was only off for a few hours here. TB12 different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 44 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: You ain’t wiping out a big municipality grid like TAN for days over a few gusts to 45 Mph lol. They ripped . Ground obs there confirm 45-62 Taunton power grid wasn’t wiped out for days Your Tan posts are about as accurate as your wind forecast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Taunton power grid wasn’t wiped out for days Your Tan posts are about as accurate as your wind forecast I saw on Eversource they were 50-70% out. Stick to Dilfs fannies friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, Damage In Tolland said: I saw on Eversource they were 50-70% out. Stick to Dilfs fannies friend Enjoy your view from EB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said: You gusted 60-70 there. All of Taunton did .You can Debbie and deny all you want. You and Bob live in the coastal plain and were in the max area of LLJ with nothing between you and the ocean except swamps and houses. You don’t wipe out 20,000 outages from 45 mph gusts. We had that here waaaay inland and only lost 1800 to outages See I disagree. I think you can certainly get those outages with gusts of 45mph. In a fully forested neighborhood with mature trees, still leafed, with soaking wet ground? It doesn’t have to be 60+ to get big damage. If a PWS in a yard measured 60 they wouldn’t have power for two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 LOL why is this such a fight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 58 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: You ain’t wiping out a big municipality grid like TAN for days over a few gusts to 45 Mph lol. They ripped . Ground obs there confirm 45-62 What is your Davis’ top wind speed all time… with or without leaves even? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: See I disagree. I think you can certainly get those outages with gusts of 45mph. In a fully forested neighborhood with mature trees, still leafed, with soaking wet ground? It doesn’t have to be 60+ to get big damage. If a PWS in a yard measured 60 they wouldn’t have power for two weeks. 45 is tough though for that widespread. Trees in SE MA pretty used to wind. 45 here even with leaves won’t do much. I’m not sure in Taunton, but lots of pines here had damage too. Wasn’t just leafed out trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: LOL why is this such a fight. The whole time I have been chasing milfs he got confused and thought I wanted his Dilfs from ELectric Blue. It’s led to a string of confusion that can be seen in his post responses and it’s just sad to see unfold . and literally Taunton looks nothing like Norwell, Marshfield .post storm ..I would think you know this . My friends in Raynham and Bridgewater has same conditions as KTAN. Nothing like Amarshall experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: LOL why is this such a fight. It’s rare that the people who experienced it are trying to convince others it wasn’t 60+ winds. Normally you’ve got folks saying oh my god 60-70mph now and people have to convince them it’s not that high . 80-9mph frictionless on a dune above the water… 40-50mph through dense mature forests a county or two inland passes the smell test for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: 45 is tough though for that widespread. Trees in SE MA pretty used to wind. 45 here even with leaves won’t do much. I’m not sure in Taunton, but lots of pines here had damage too. Wasn’t just leafed out trees. I’m definitely not applying it to SE Mass… just the Tan area and the obs from there. I don’t see why the ASOS would be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, powderfreak said: What is your Davis’ top wind speed all time… with or without leaves even? I live in the woods. So my Anny is way way off. I never use its obs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: The whole time I have been chasing milfs he got confused and thought I wanted his Dilfs from ELectric Blue. It’s led to a string of confusion that can be seen in his post responses and it’s just sad to see unfold . and literally Taunton looks nothing like Norwell, Marshfield .post storm ..I would think you know this . My friends in Raynham and Bridgewater has same conditions as KTAN. Nothing like Amarshall experienced. You are a trainer for Dillfs That’s perfectly fine. Every now and then they sit up into your backend while you push up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, powderfreak said: I’m definitely not applying it to SE Mass… just the Tan area and the obs from there. I don’t see why the ASOS would be wrong? Well Taunton would be SE MA. My point was those trees probably experienced winds above that. I think we also discussed the ASOS not as open to the E and NE vs south? I wasn’t implying the ASOS was wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: I live in the woods. So my Anny is way way off. I never use its obs Isn’t that what the discussion is about though? How do you estimate winds at your place though? Like how would you know it’s 50mph or whatever? Thats why I think a PWS hitting 45mph in a forested suburban area is pretty damn solid wind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: The whole time I have been chasing milfs he got confused and thought I wanted his Dilfs from ELectric Blue. It’s led to a string of confusion that can be seen in his post responses and it’s just sad to see unfold . and literally Taunton looks nothing like Norwell, Marshfield .post storm ..I would think you know this . My friends in Raynham and Bridgewater has same conditions as KTAN. Nothing like Amarshall experienced. No definitely not. But the LLJ did curl through there, especially more towards Bob. I’m sure areas near him had some strong winds. It’s too bad we lost a lot of stations due to outages. I’m hearing some stories of 90ish or more on the coast from PWS. I know Marshfield harbormaster had 88, and they aren’t on the water really. They are on an inlet with trees and some land to their east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: Isn’t that what the discussion is about though? How do you estimate winds at your place though? Like how would you know it’s 50mph or whatever? Thats why I think a PWS hitting 45mph in a forested suburban area is pretty damn solid wind. It is for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Isn’t that what the discussion is about though? How do you estimate winds at your place though? Like how would you know it’s 50mph or whatever? Thats why I think a PWS hitting 45mph in a forested suburban area is pretty damn solid wind. You can tell approx wind gusts . The sound and the damage. You don’t break trees in every neighborhood from 45 mph winds . That’s how you know TAN ripped near or over 60. Every hood had it . I had 45 here and it did nothing except knock small limbs off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Well Taunton would be SE MA. My point was those trees probably experienced winds above that. I think we also discussed the ASOS not as open to the E and NE vs south? I wasn’t implying the ASOS was wrong. Gotcha, makes sense. I still think when we had that huge blow down up here like 3 October’s ago (?), I’m not convinced the winds were that much above 50mph despite acres leveled. I dunno, I still think personal perception of wind leads to over-estimates. If you can get a 2-M gust in the 40-50 range I still think that can do a lot of damage. But you are right, those trees see that NE wind built into their climo/growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: I saw on Eversource they were 50-70% out. Stick to Dilfs fannies friend Taunton doesn't have Eversource. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, Damage In Tolland said: You can tell approx wind gusts . The sound and the damage. You don’t break trees in every neighborhood from 45 mph winds . That’s how you know TAN ripped near or over 60. Every hood had it That’s where we’ll just have to agree to disagree, ha. I think humans are terrible at estimating winds and that leafed out tree damage occurs at a far lower wind speed than many folks think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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