SnowDawg Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, wncsnow said: We are still on the edge and need the NW trend to intensify tomorrow. Honestly, overrunning setups are a mystery to me when it comes to precip generation but do we even need a NW trend or just for things to amp up a little quicker to have precip thrown back west downstream of us? I feel like given the orientation of the stalled front we could get ours even without screwing those to the east over, sort of like a 2017 with a flatter ENE trajectory instead of NNE. I wish I knew more about overrunning though because I don't know what to look for to see if this is even possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I can't remember the last time the models got the amount of precip correct for here. There always seems to be more moisture available then what was forecasted. Especially when we have had overrunning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 GSP last night. Throwing a 30% chance Thursday night and a 40% Friday with 1/2" totals of snow. 42% shot at 2"+ that is for this area. All things considered, however, uncertainty still looms large in this forecast. Even a cursory look at ensemble guidance indicates considerable question over the ultimate location of the developing surface low, and the timing of dry air arriving in the Carolinas on the tail end of the system, which would impact the duration of any precipitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 This is what the western areas are looking for This isn't Hopefully today will bring more baby steps towards bringing more people to the playground 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooneWX Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I do believe I hear a fat lady warming up her voice. I’ll hang on for one more suite but I think the writing is on the wall with this one. @Hvwardyou’re going to have to give us some hope today! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjoaquin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, BooneWX said: I do believe I hear a fat lady warming up her voice. I’ll hang on for one more suite but I think the writing is on the wall with this one. @Hvwardyou’re going to have to give us some hope today! Asheville did go from .7 inches of snow on the 0z Euro to 1.6 inches on the 6z. It would not take much for it to trend in our favor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, ncjoaquin said: Asheville did go from .7 inches of snow on the 0z Euro to 1.6 inches. It would not take much for it to trend in our favor. The 06Z of the euro did move westward some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjoaquin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, strongwxnc said: The 06Z of the euro did move westward some. I left the 6z part. Pretty important missing piece. Thanks Mark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvward Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, BooneWX said: I do believe I hear a fat lady warming up her voice. I’ll hang on for one more suite but I think the writing is on the wall with this one. @Hvwardyou’re going to have to give us some hope today! The devil is in the details with this one. Pull up a sounding, any sounding around WNC over the next 3 days and tell me that's not borderline snow. Skew-T says freezing drizzle best guess estimated precipitation with a column of air completely below freezing? Does the model not think the precipitation will push up into the dendritic growth area? Those 6000' peaks to Asheville's SW certain could help... Just because the precip maps and accumulation maps aren't showing the colors, doesn't mean that the atmosphere isn't ripe. Hell the 6z GFS has a snow sounding for tomorrow morning for most of you. The main takeaway is that the models are really struggling. They struggled like this in Dec 2017. That northern periphery of moisture was never really correctly modeled and finally it was assumed to be a nowcast event. I remember the GFS and Euro showing small stripes of snow over WNC and E TN a couple days out from the event and thinking they were warning shot. I think we are seeing something similar here, maybe on a less intense scale but today should be the day we see some type of movement in the models. I feel like we sit in a pretty good position. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooneWX Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Hvward said: The devil is in the details with this one. Pull up a sounding, any sounding around WNC over the next 3 days and tell me that's not borderline snow. Skew-T says freezing drizzle best guess estimated precipitation with a column of air completely below freezing? Does the model not think the precipitation will push up into the dendritic growth area? Those 6000' peaks to Asheville's SW certain could help... Just because the precip maps and accumulation maps aren't showing the colors, doesn't mean that the atmosphere isn't ripe. Hell the 6z GFS has a snow sounding for tomorrow morning for most of you. The main takeaway is that the models are really struggling. They struggled like this in Dec 2017. That northern periphery of moisture was never really correctly modeled and finally it was assumed to be a nowcast event. I remember the GFS and Euro showing small stripes of snow over WNC and E TN a couple days out from the event and thinking they were warning shot. I think we are seeing something similar here, maybe on a less intense scale but today should be the day we see some type of movement in the models. I feel like we sit in a pretty good position. That’s exactly what I needed to hear and the jolt I needed this morning. Thank you sir! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wncsnow Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I'm glad Ward feels that way because the models are trending towards nothing west of 77 and little west of 95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherJustin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, wncsnow said: I'm glad Ward feels that way because the models are trending towards nothing west of 77 and little west of 95. True… we’re about at that under 8 min media timeout in College basketball…. If we’re gonna make a run it better come soon, not over but we’re running out of time lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Penland Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The devil is in the details with this one. Pull up a sounding, any sounding around WNC over the next 3 days and tell me that's not borderline snow. Skew-T says freezing drizzle best guess estimated precipitation with a column of air completely below freezing? Does the model not think the precipitation will push up into the dendritic growth area? Those 6000' peaks to Asheville's SW certain could help... Just because the precip maps and accumulation maps aren't showing the colors, doesn't mean that the atmosphere isn't ripe. Hell the 6z GFS has a snow sounding for tomorrow morning for most of you. The main takeaway is that the models are really struggling. They struggled like this in Dec 2017. That northern periphery of moisture was never really correctly modeled and finally it was assumed to be a nowcast event. I remember the GFS and Euro showing small stripes of snow over WNC and E TN a couple days out from the event and thinking they were warning shot. I think we are seeing something similar here, maybe on a less intense scale but today should be the day we see some type of movement in the models. I feel like we sit in a pretty good position.NAM showing those precip stripes at 12z. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjoaquin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The only reason I hate missing any snow is because there will be a pattern change and February is rising over the hill. So, hopefully we can score before that happens. I haven't given up on this one, but we need some help. Next week there is promise, so we have that to look forward to. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The only reason I hate missing any snow is because there will be a pattern change and February is rising over the hill. So, hopefully we can score before that happens. I haven't given up on this one, but we need some help. Next week there is promise, so we have that to look forward to. Same thoughts Jason! . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncjoaquin Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, strongwxnc said: Same thoughts Jason! . Get it while the getting is good! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wncsnow Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 As good as the last system was, and the way snow has been lately, I kinda think we won't see another big snow for 2 or 3 years but I hope I'm wrong! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 As good as the last system was, and the way snow has been lately, I kinda think we won't see another big snow for 2 or 3 years but I hope I'm wrong!And joking I told my kid the same thing. Especially here I mean it’s day four And I just built a snowman. Not to say it doesn’t happen down here but it’s been a while. Of course I grew up in the 80s and it was a lot better than the last 10 years here. :-). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainforrest Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Maggie Ace said: Hunter put out a very good YouTube this afternoon. If haven't watched, I encourage you folks to check it out! Is that yesterday’s or today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acc fan Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 i see his video from yesterday but not one for today. can you provide a link if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acc fan Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strongwxnc Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Best place to find old radar loops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacoma Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 It's never good when you click on the site and it's so quiet. I thought we might start seeing a little NW trend by now, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Penland Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Tacoma said: It's never good when you click on the site and it's so quiet. I thought we might start seeing a little NW trend by now, Meh let the eastern folks have their storm. We'll get ours. I'm still not convinced there's not a surprise tomorrow night/Friday. Looks like a couple shots next week with plenty of waves coming down the line. We're running out of time a bit with the AO/NAO likely to really start hurting us soon but it's just January. Still got all of Feb/Mar and into April to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wncsnow Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Is it just me or has there been like no northwest flow snow this year except behind our big storm? I remember years in the 2000s where there were a dozen or more events and clippers that gave the border areas great seasons. The past few years it seems to be getting less and less. Has to be killing the resorts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxKnurd Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, wncsnow said: Is it just me or has there been like no northwest flow snow this year except behind our big storm? I remember years in the 2000s where there were a dozen or more events and clippers that gave the border areas great seasons. The past few years it seems to be getting less and less. Has to be killing the resorts too. Last year was decent, this year there’s been maybe two or three events and that includes Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wncsnow Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, WxKnurd said: Last year was decent, this year there’s been maybe two or three events and that includes Monday. I just remember those prolonged flow events where Roan Mountain would get 16 to 20 inches then by Spruce Pine it was a dusting or an inch. Seems like those don't happen much anymore. I think I want to research some numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Met1985 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Well whatever comes through tonight will be frozen. Temp is sitting at 30 degrees with moisture on our doorstep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonhowl Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 hours ago, wncsnow said: I just remember those prolonged flow events where Roan Mountain would get 16 to 20 inches then by Spruce Pine it was a dusting or an inch. Seems like those don't happen much anymore. I think I want to research some numbers. That is my recollection as well, albeit my memory is highly questionable LOL. Seemed liked 10 plus years ago NWFS was far more regularly reaching AVL than it has been over the past 10 years. Not sure how you would find data on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phelps Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Ray mentioned this in his winter forecast in regards to his assessment of 202/21: "The biggest “miss” was at higher elevations along the western escarpment where NW flow snow were few. We have not seen a good NW flow snow in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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