WxWatcher007 Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 The odds for tropical development in the Bay of Campeche and western Gulf of Mexico has continued to increase, and the NHC has designated the disturbance currently over southern Mexico as Invest 94L. This one will need to be watched as it traverses the historically favorable BoC and skirts northward along a ridge toward the western Gulf. Shear and land proximity look like potential limiting factors, but 1) this is likely to be a significant rain maker in TX/LA, and 2) If land interaction is reduced early on it could intensify at a faster rate. Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 800 AM EDT Sat Sep 11 2021 For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico: The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Hurricane Larry, located over the Labrador Sea. A tropical wave and an upper-level trough are producing a large area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms over portions of Central America, southeastern Mexico, and the adjacent waters of the northwestern Caribbean Sea and southern Gulf of Mexico. Although upper-level winds are not conducive for development currently, they are expected to become more favorable for the system during the next day or so. A tropical depression is likely to form on Sunday or Monday while the disturbance moves northwestward and then northward near the coast of northeastern Mexico. Further development will be possible through the middle of next week if it remains over water, and interests along the western and northwestern Gulf coast should monitor the progress of this system. 1. Regardless of development, this disturbance is expected to produce heavy rain across portions of Central America and the Yucatan Peninsula through today which may lead to flash flooding and mudslides. By late this weekend, heavy rain will likely reach portions of the western Gulf coast, including coastal Texas and Louisiana through the middle of next week. Localized significant rainfall amounts will be possible, potentially resulting in areas of flash and urban flooding. * Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...high...80 percent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 While 12z GFS and ensembles are stronger with 94L, something that may hold it back besides land interaction would be dry air as multiple GFS runs have been hinting at 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted September 11, 2021 Author Share Posted September 11, 2021 Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 200 PM EDT Sat Sep 11 2021 For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico: The National Hurricane Center has issued the last advisory on Post-Tropical Cyclone Larry, located over the Labrador Sea. A tropical wave and an upper-level trough continue to produce a large area of disorganized showers and thunderstorms over portions of southeastern Mexico and the southern and central Gulf of Mexico. Although upper-level winds are not conducive for development currently, they are expected to become more favorable for the system during the next day or so. A tropical depression is likely to form on Sunday or Monday while the disturbance moves northwestward and then northward near the coast of northeastern Mexico. Further development will be possible through the middle of next week if it remains over water, and interests along the western and northwestern Gulf coast should monitor the progress of this system. An Air Force Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to investigate the system tomorrow. 1. Regardless of development, this disturbance is expected to produce heavy rain across portions of Central America and the Yucatan Peninsula through today which may lead to flash flooding and mudslides. By late this weekend, heavy rain will likely reach portions of the western Gulf coast, including coastal Texas and Louisiana through the middle of next week. Localized significant rainfall amounts will be possible, potentially resulting in areas of flash and urban flooding. * Formation chance through 48 hours...high...80 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Euro coming in with a landfall in mid TX coast Tuesday morning. Models seem to be zeroing in on a US landfall but nothing for sure yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 Looking at the Tropical Tidbits loop (Gulf, 94L centered jumps around), and wonder where the center forms, if it does. Modelling on Ida shifted completely once the models had an actual center to work with. Centers forms a bit E of where expected, land interaction is suddenly less and more time over water on the way to Louisiana. Not an amateur forecast, just speculation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Recon heading toward the system now. They’re not wasting any time with this one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Recon has entered the invest. Looking for evidence of a well defined LLC. Some FL and SFMR readings are already over 34kts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 PTC 14 at 11am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, eyewall said: PTC 14 at 11am TS Nicholas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Tropical Storm Nicholas Advisory Number 1 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142021 1000 AM CDT Sun Sep 12 2021 ...TROPICAL STORM NICHOLAS FORMS IN THE SOUTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO... ...TROPICAL STORM WARNINGS AND WATCHES ISSUED FOR THE COASTS OF NORTHEASTERN MEXICO AND TEXAS... SUMMARY OF 1000 AM CDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION ----------------------------------------------- LOCATION...20.5N 94.8W ABOUT 130 MI...205 KM NE OF VERACRUZ MEXICO ABOUT 405 MI...650 KM SSE OF MOUTH OF THE RIO GRANDE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 330 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY: A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for the coast of Texas from the Mouth of the Rio Grande to Port Aransas. The Government of Mexico has issued a Tropical Storm Warning from Barra el Mezquital northward to the U.S./Mexico border. A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for the coast of Texas from the Mouth of the Rio Grande to High Island. A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for the coast of Texas from north of Port Aransas to High Island. SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT: A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for... * Mouth of the Rio Grande to Port Aransas Texas * Barra el Mezquital to the U.S./Mexico border A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for... * Mouth of the Rio Grande to High Island Texas A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for... * North of Port Aransas to High Island Texas A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours. A Storm Surge Watch means there is a possibility of life-threatening inundation, from rising water moving inland from the coastline, in the indicated locations during the next 48 hours. For a depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at hurricanes.gov. A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours. Interests elsewhere along the upper Texas coast should monitor the progress of this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Tropical Storm Nicholas Discussion Number 1 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142021 1000 AM CDT Sun Sep 12 2021 Showers and thunderstorms associated with a broad area of low pressure over the southern Bay of Campeche have increased overnight and very recently become better organized with a loose band of convection around the northeastern portion of the circulation. An Air Force Reserve reconnaissance aircraft that has been investigating the system has found 44-kt flight-level winds and SFMR winds that support a 35-kt initial intensity. Based on the recent increase in organization and the 35-kt initial intensity, advisories are being initiated on Tropical Storm Nicholas, the fourteenth named storm of the Atlantic hurricane season. The storm is located within an environment of moderate south-southwesterly vertical wind shear, over warm waters, and in a moist and unstable atmosphere. These conditions should allow gradual strengthening over the next 24 to 48 hours. The NHC intensity forecast follows suit and calls for gradual strengthening until the system reaches the coast of Texas. The official wind speed forecast is near the higher end of the guidance in best agreement with the SHIPS statistical guidance, the HFIP corrected consensus, and the HWRF. In this case, the intensity forecast is highly dependent on eventual track of the system. A track to the east of the NHC forecast could result in a lower wind shear environment and slightly more time over water for the system to strengthen. Conversely a track to the west of the forecast track would result in the system interacting with land much sooner. Since the system is still in its formative stage the initial motion estimate is a somewhat uncertain 330/11 kt. A north-northwestward motion around the western portion of a mid-level ridge that is sliding east near the coast of the Carolinas, should continue to steer Nicholas in that direction for the next 24 to 48 hours. After that time, steering currents weaken and the cyclone is expected to move slowly north-northeastward between a couple of mid-level ridges located to the east and west of Nicholas. The track guidance generally agrees with this overall scenario but there is some cross-track spread with the UKMET along the left side of the guidance envelope taking the storm into northeastern Mexico, while the GFS, HWRF, and HMON are along the right side. The NHC track is near the various consensus models and both the EC and GFS ensemble means. Key Messages: 1. Tropical storm conditions are expected along portions of the northeastern coast of Mexico and the coast of south Texas beginning on Monday. Nicholas is forecast to approach the middle Texas coast as a strong tropical storm on Tuesday, and tropical storm conditions are possible along portions of the middle and upper Texas coasts late Monday night and Tuesday. 2. There is the possibility of life-threatening storm surge along the coast of Texas from the Mouth of the Rio Grande to High Island. Residents in these areas should follow any advice given by local officials. 3. Periods of heavy rainfall are expected to impact portions of the Texas and Louisiana coasts today through the middle of the week. Significant rainfall amounts are possible, potentially resulting in areas of flash, urban, and isolated river flooding. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 12/1500Z 20.5N 94.8W 35 KT 40 MPH 12H 13/0000Z 21.9N 95.7W 40 KT 45 MPH 24H 13/1200Z 24.1N 96.6W 45 KT 50 MPH 36H 14/0000Z 26.4N 96.9W 50 KT 60 MPH 48H 14/1200Z 28.2N 96.5W 55 KT 65 MPH 60H 15/0000Z 29.4N 95.9W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND 72H 15/1200Z 30.3N 95.2W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND 96H 16/1200Z 31.0N 94.8W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND 120H 17/1200Z 32.0N 94.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW $$ Forecaster Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Windspeed Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Looking for if/when it can develop a core. If a core does develop with enough lead time prior to land interaction or an increase in westerly 300 hPa flow, then we have a shot at getting Hurricane Nicholas. If the system struggles to develop a core, then it likely follows forecast guidance for intensity closely. That's the uncertainty that the TC models will struggle with, with respect to intensity, for at least the next 24 hours. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Watched Dr. Cowans video, shear should keep this from doing, at best, minimal Cat 1 winds. But TCs w/o big winds (here in Houston) like Harvey, Imelda and Beta have caused issues. GFS wouldn't be as bad as any of those, but might cancel school Tuesday. No snow days down here (we had a week of icy, cold and rolling blackout days in February), so it is usually rain days, and the three named storms all cancelled at least a day of school, Harvey, 2 full weeks/10 days. As did Ike, but I was an oilfield engineer then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, yoda said: TS Nicholas yeah they took the banner down and made a last minute call. Interesting to see how that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Recon seems to suggest more than 1 LLC. I assume they'll consolidate under the storms, but it can't get too strong before it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ginx snewx Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Yea not good on the Euro for rains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 ...NICHOLAS EXPECTED TO STRENGTHEN AS IT MOVES TOWARD THE NORTHWEST GULF COAST... ...STORM SURGE WARNING AND HURRICANE WATCH ISSUED FOR A PORTION OF THE TEXAS COAST... SUMMARY OF 400 PM CDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...22.8N 95.5W ABOUT 160 MI...260 KM ESE OF LA PESCA MEXICO ABOUT 240 MI...385 KM SSE OF MOUTH OF THE RIO GRANDE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 340 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Yea not good on the Euro for rains Jack Sillin on Twitter noted the Euro forecast PWs over 4 inches are probably not realistic, unrealistic atmospheric moisture, unrealistic QPF. Not that 'a mere' 10 to 15 inches is a picnic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ed, snow and hurricane fan said: Jack Sillin on Twitter noted the Euro forecast PWs over 4 inches are probably not realistic, unrealistic atmospheric moisture, unrealistic QPF. Not that 'a mere' 10 to 15 inches is a picnic. Well...there are always reasons why not and its only one run, but remember how everyone ignored Harvey totals. I wouldn't throw shade just yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, MattPetrulli said: ...NICHOLAS EXPECTED TO STRENGTHEN AS IT MOVES TOWARD THE NORTHWEST GULF COAST... ...STORM SURGE WARNING AND HURRICANE WATCH ISSUED FOR A PORTION OF THE TEXAS COAST... SUMMARY OF 400 PM CDT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...22.8N 95.5W ABOUT 160 MI...260 KM ESE OF LA PESCA MEXICO ABOUT 240 MI...385 KM SSE OF MOUTH OF THE RIO GRANDE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 340 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY: The Tropical Storm Warning has been extended eastward to Freeport, Texas. A Storm Surge Warning has been issued for the coast of Texas from Port Aransas to San Luis Pass, including Aransas Bay, San Antonio Bay, and Matagorda Bay. A Hurricane Watch has been issued for the coast of Texas from Port Aransas to Sargent. SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT: A Storm Surge Warning is in effect for... * Port Aransas to San Luis Pass Texas * Aransas Bay, San Antonio Bay, and Matagorda Bay A Hurricane Watch is in effect for... * Port Aransas to Sargent Texas A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for... * Mouth of the Rio Grande to Freeport Texas * Barra el Mezquital to the U.S./Mexico border A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for... * Mouth of the Rio Grande to High Island Texas A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for... * North of Port Aransas to High Island Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Tropical Storm Nicholas Discussion Number 2 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142021 400 PM CDT Sun Sep 12 2021 Visible satellite imagery, scatterometer wind data, and earlier reconnaissance aircraft observations indicate that the circulation of Nicholas is elongated from northwest to southeast. In fact, visible satellite imagery and the aircraft data has shown that there have been several low-level swirls rotating about a mean center. This is not surprising since the tropical cyclone is still in its formative stage. The Air Force plane did not find winds any stronger than they did this morning and the ASCAT data revealed peaks winds of around 30 kt. Given the typical undersampling of the scatterometer instrument, the earlier aircraft data, and peak one-minute wind observations of 31 kt from NOAA buoy 42055 earlier today, the intensity remains 35 kt for this advisory. Nicholas will be moving over the warm waters of the western Gulf of Mexico during the next day or so, and this combined with a moist, unstable atmosphere favors strengthening. The primarily inhibiting factor appears to be moderate south-southwesterly vertical wind shear caused by an upper-level trough over northern Mexico. The trough is forecast to move westward and weaken during the next day or so, which could allow for a more favorable upper-level wind pattern later tonight and Monday. The NHC intensity forecast again calls for strengthening while the system moves toward the northwest Gulf coast, but the main uncertainty regarding the intensity forecast is how much time the cyclone will spend over the Gulf waters. The GFS and HWRF models, which depict a track farther east, show significantly more strengthening than the UKMET and ECMWF models which show a weaker tropical cyclone moving inland over northeastern Mexico or southern Texas much sooner. The NHC intensity forecast is similar to the previous advisory, but indicates a faster rate of strengthening during the next 12-24 hours. Although not explicitly shown in the intensity forecast, Nicholas could approach hurricane strength when it nears the northwest Gulf coast, especially if it moves to the right of the NHC forecast track and spends more time over water. Due to this uncertainty a Hurricane Watch has been issued a for a portion of the Texas coast. The NHC forecast is in best agreement with the SHIPS and HFIP corrected consensus model, but is not as high as the latest HWRF. The center of Nicholas appears to have re-formed farther north since this morning and the initial motion estimate is again a somewhat uncertain 340/12 kt. The track forecast reasoning has not changed from this morning. Nicholas should move north-northwestward to northward during the next day or so around the western portion of a mid-level ridge that is located near the southeast U.S. coast. The latest runs of the various dynamical models have shown typical variability, but the overall guidance envelope has not changed too much through the first 36 hours. The GFS has been the most consistent model and its 12Z run was fairly close to the previous NHC track forecast. Therefore, the NHC track leans along the right side of the guidance envelope between the HWRF and GFS, which are a little to the right of the consensus aids. Due to the acute angle of approach of Nicholas to the coast, users are reminded to not focus on the exact forecast track as small changes in the heading of the cyclone could result in differences in both the location and timing of landfall. Regardless of where Nicholas makes landfall, storm surge, wind, and rainfall impacts are likely over a large portion of northeastern Mexico and Texas coastal areas. After landfall, a slower north-northeastward motion is forecast, and by 72 hours the cyclone is forecast to be located between a couple of mid-level ridges, which will likely result in weaker steering currents and an even slower northeastward motion. By day 5, the global model guidance suggest that the low-level circulation will become an open trough so dissipation is indicated at that time. Key Messages: 1. Periods of heavy rainfall are expected to impact portions of the Texas and Louisiana coasts today through the middle of the week. Significant rainfall amounts are possible, potentially resulting in areas of considerable flash and urban flooding, especially in highly urbanized metropolitan areas. Isolated minor to moderate river flooding is also expected. 2. There is the danger of life-threatening storm surge inundation along the coast of Texas from Port Aransas to San Luis Pass. Residents in these areas should follow any advice given by local officials. 3. Nicholas is forecast to approach the middle Texas coast as a strong tropical storm late Monday and early Tuesday, and could be near hurricane intensity if it moves to the right of the forecast track and remains over water longer. Tropical storm conditions are expected along portions of the middle Texas coast beginning Monday afternoon, with hurricane conditions possible from Port Aransas to Sargent late Monday and Monday night. 4. Tropical storm conditions are expected along portions of the northeastern coast of Mexico and the coast of south Texas beginning Monday morning. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 12/2100Z 22.8N 95.5W 35 KT 40 MPH 12H 13/0600Z 24.4N 96.3W 45 KT 50 MPH 24H 13/1800Z 26.7N 96.9W 55 KT 65 MPH 36H 14/0600Z 28.7N 96.8W 55 KT 65 MPH...INLAND 48H 14/1800Z 30.4N 96.3W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND 60H 15/0600Z 31.2N 95.8W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND 72H 15/1800Z 31.7N 95.2W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND 96H 16/1800Z 31.9N 94.7W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW 120H 17/1800Z...DISSIPATED $$ Forecaster Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AChilders Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 https://twitter.com/nwshouston/status/1437149092979871745?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Recon center SW of the main convection. 1009 mb, not in a hurry to get organized. HWRF and HMON show slow intensification, both ballpark 990 mb and 50 knots. Decent clustering on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 IF the 18Z Euro were to closely verify, Houston would have a huge flooding problem: this shows 12-20"+ amounts right in the city with most of this within just a 48 hour period and it still raining due to a near stalled Nicholas: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 This would be nothing new to Houston. These 1 and 100 year floods are no longer 1 and 100 year anymore. This region of the country is used to flood events like this. I’m more concerned about this over performing from a wind standpoint. It’s generating a lot of vigorous convection which is usually a sign that over performing in intensity is a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Normandy said: This would be nothing new to Houston. These 1 and 100 year floods are no longer 1 and 100 year anymore. This region of the country is used to flood events like this. I’m more concerned about this over performing from a wind standpoint. It’s generating a lot of vigorous convection which is usually a sign that over performing in intensity is a possibility I thought so earlier today, but recon and satellite show a rather very disorganized system and most intensity guidance has stayed in TS territory this evening. Could make it to a hurricane maybe, but I think it's rather unlikely at this time. Small size could help it spin up and intensify quickly, but it only has about 24-36 more hours over water at most so we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Finally center is kinda showing up on radar. http://moe.met.fsu.edu/~mnissenbaum/RadarArchive/KBRO2/loop.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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