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1 hour ago, wolfie09 said:

 

It's coming but I may have to cut back on snow if we get a Moderate Nina like is now being forecast. It changed quite a bit the last month. I'd rather have a weak one. We've never had 3 below average snowfall years in a row since the 1980s so at least we have that going for us. All it takes is 1 event. 2001-2002 was a terrible winter for Buffalo yet they had 158.7".

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2 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

It's coming but I may have to cut back on snow if we get a Moderate Nina like is now being forecast. It changed quite a bit the last month. I'd rather have a weak one. We've never had 3 below average snowfall years in a row since the 1980s so at least we have that going for us. All it takes is 1 event. 2001-2002 was a terrible winter for Buffalo yet they had 158.7".

Is it possible to have things not be as extreme as predicted anymore?

Like...a balanced ENSO state...aka Neutral.

 

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I know this has been posted before...but the few moderate La Ninas listed here actually show look ok temperature wise (unless it's balanced between a very cold month and then two warm month...) Syracuse snowfall for all 4 winters was decent, with the "lowest" being an average snowfall winter. It's the Strong La Ninas that are meeeeh.

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As of now I'm seeing a return to average"ish" highs early next week but we will still struggle with regards to overnight lows.. Obviously a big reason is the synoptic and lake effect rain showers forecasted.. Actually lows "should" be in the upper 30s by early next week according to the pulaski COOP..

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1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Top 10 warmest Octobers, current average is 66.7 degrees. 

1	60.5	1900	
2	59.8	1947	
3	58.8	2007	
4	58.7	1971	
5	58.2	1879	
6	57.2	1920	
7	57.2	1949	
8	57.1	1963	
9	57.0	2017	
10	56.6	1946

WOW, it’s not even close. Obviously it will come down some as temps return to normal by next week but I don’t see anyway we don’t shatter the record for warmest October ever.

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2 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Top 10 warmest Octobers, current average is 66.7 degrees. 

1	60.5	1900	
2	59.8	1947	
3	58.8	2007	
4	58.7	1971	
5	58.2	1879	
6	57.2	1920	
7	57.2	1949	
8	57.1	1963	
9	57.0	2017	
10	56.6	1946

I would have expected to see more recent years on that list, based on similar lists for other months/seasons that seem to indicate recent warming trends. That list is very well spaced out from 1879 through 2017.  Of course 2021 could end up on there soon which is very close to 2017.

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29 minutes ago, winter_rules said:

I would have expected to see more recent years on that list, based on similar lists for other months/seasons that seem to indicate recent warming trends. That list is very well spaced out from 1879 through 2017.  Of course 2021 could end up on there soon which is very close to 2017.

Its more noticeable when you use a full year then individual months. 

https://www.weather.gov/buf/BUF_top10

1   52.1   2012   
2   51.5   2020     
3   51.1   2016     
4   50.9   1998      
5   50.6   2006    
6   50.6   1991     
7   50.6   1921       
8   50.4   1953     
9   50.4   1949     
10  50.3   1990
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Majority time it can be explained..

For today it has to do with the Surface/ULL near lake superior, pumping South/SW flow from the OV..

Weak system off the coast causing more of a NE on shore flow closer to the coast..Plus added cloud cover due to this feature..Hard to see in "night mode" but it's there..

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A cold front slowly approaching from the west will stall over
southern Ontario early Friday. This will continue the chance for
showers during the day Friday and into Friday night. The greatest
chance for showers is expected west of the Genesee Valley. As the
front slowly tracks closer to the area, showers will gradually
expand eastward. With the area still ahead of the cold front,
temperatures will still be above normal, with highs in the low to
mid 70s.

A developing wave of low pressure will track northeast along the
stalled frontal boundary starting Friday night into early Saturday,
increasing the potential for showers and steady rain from WNY to the
North Country. A widespread rainfall of an inch or more is looking
more and more likely for Friday night into Saturday.
The cold front just west of the area late in the week will cross the
forecast area on Saturday continuing the potential for rain through
most of the day on Saturday. Gusty winds will be possible on
Saturday as a LLJ crosses the region with the strengthening area of
low pressure.

Behind the cold front, and within a large trough over the region
cooler temps will cause the widespread synoptic rain to transition
to lake enhanced and then lake effect showers. 850H temps will cool
to generally the 0 to 2 degrees celsius range, and combined with
with the roughly 15C+ lake temperatures, a lake response off of both
Lake Erie and Lake Ontario can be expected through the weekend.
Guidance is also showing a few shortwave troughs moving through at
different times through the weekend that will also increase the
potential for some more widespread showers, but also lake showers.

High temperatures will be in the mid 60s to near 70 on Saturday.
Temperatures will cool closer to normal for the rest of the long
term period, with highs in the low 50s over the higher terrain to
the low 60s for the lower elevations for Sunday and Monday.
Temperatures warm slightly to the mid 50s to mid 60s for the middle
of the week.
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