SouthBuffaloSteve Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: what time were these all recorded? Ive got this timing down to eliminate any questions about lagging temps... PWS update ever 5 minutes at 4's and 9's... 4, 9, 14, 19, 24, 29 ect... KBUF updates at 54 minutes of every hour. Both PWS and KBUF will update ever hour together at the 54 minute mark. Set your site map over KBUF at 958 hit refresh and you will have a grab of all current temps within 5 minutes of each other, before the next update at 959. For this screen grab I took it at 958pm. KBUF temp and all surrounding PWS temps were updated at 954pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBuffaloSteve Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Local met questioning the official temp… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: last years was confirmed to have an issue but KBUF replaced the broken part. This years data is fine. SYR is equal to KBUF with temps this year and they have no lake keeping them warm. BW there’s one issue with tonight…the make us nowhere near keeping the area 10 miles from it warmer than GI, UB North and all the surrounding sites! There is a much larger driver affecting the KBUF temp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBuffaloSteve Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I can't wait to read this reply... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 35 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: Ive got this timing down to eliminate any questions about lagging temps... PWS update ever 5 minutes at 4's and 9's... 4, 9, 14, 19, 24, 29 ect... KBUF updates at 54 minutes of every hour. Both PWS and KBUF will update ever hour together at the 54 minute mark. Set your site map over KBUF at 958 hit refresh and you will have a grab of all current temps within 5 minutes of each other, before the next update at 959. For this screen grab I took it at 958pm. KBUF temp and all surrounding PWS temps were updated at 954pm. Where do you see that the PWS stations update at those times? Most of North Buffalo is in the low/mid 50s right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBuffaloSteve Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Where do you see that the PWS stations update at those times? Most of North Buffalo is in the low/mid 50s right now. Click on the station detail and they all upload at these same times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeeffectkid383 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Same exact thing now. 454 KBUF reporting 47 and every single PWS within 5 miles of the airport is between 42-44 for the exact same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 37 minutes ago, lakeeffectkid383 said: Same exact thing now. 454 KBUF reporting 47 and every single PWS within 5 miles of the airport is between 42-44 for the exact same time. And I can verify it’s low 40’s out as I can see my exhale breath very clearly… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericjcrash Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Made it down to 39° 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying MXZ Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 36° here, nice cool morning. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revracer800 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 47 at my neck of the woods lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeeffectkid383 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Made it down to 42 here this morning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 11 hours ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: I don't know... it just never looks right... Here is the 10 pm live reporting (KBUF updated 4 minutes prior to this grab at 958, all stations reported temps at 954pm ). It's just not right that KBUF is running almost 5 degrees above every other location surrounding it. You can question the recreational PWS data but look at how consistent the sites are across central Erie County. The KBUF number is just such an outlier it should be tossed from the data set, not made the official #. Even caught one of the local Spectrum News mets questioning the temp at KBUF on air tonight. We have believers! Good point about "recreational" temp data versus "official" in terms of temps. We'd all clearly accept the official station data over other sources but...it doesn't seem credible that they're ALL wrong and biased in the same direction on a consistent basis. Definately something going on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 We made it down to 41.5° overnight, cloud cover late last night cost us a shot at 30s, actually temps climbed for a little overnight lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 12 hours ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: I can't wait to read this reply... I know it would be a good amount of work, but I wonder if this is a potential systemic issue throughout the US? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, vortmax said: I know it would be a good amount of work, but I wonder if this is a potential systemic issue throughout the US? Systemic issue with every thermometer in the us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloWeather Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 14 hours ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: Click on the station detail and they all upload at these same times. There is definitely something wrong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SouthBuffaloSteve Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said: There is definitely something wrong there. It’s like they don’t even want to question it… Here’s another “record” type event involving warm overnight temps… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: It’s like they don’t even want to question it… Here’s another “record” type event involving warm overnight temps… The highlighted isn't odd, we've been pretty warm this month. What were the low temps in the surrounding stations last night? KBUF hit the low between 5 and 6 am https://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KBUF.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 Lake Erie is at record highs for this time of year. That also plays a factor... The bottom of lake Erie is the warmest I've seen it for this time of year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said: Systemic issue with every thermometer in the us? Not the hardware, but the surrounding area. How many official stations have new pavement near them that could impact their readings, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 CPC is always warm lol They had this week warm as well..They have the next 12 months warm, litterly lol In reality it's mostly overnights skewing the mean..NWS D6/7 has low 60s for highs and around 50 for a low.. Average is 62l42 at that time.. D7/8 GFS Afternoon vs morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 Well we’ve been above normal every month this year except feb, may and July. So cpc Is doing okay. The departures have been substantial in the above average month's. The below average months have been right in the -0 to -1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 This frontal boundary will remain nearly stationary east of Lake Ontario Saturday Night, with increasing chances for rain showers. Additionally a shortwave from the west will bring chances for rain showers towards WNY later Saturday Night. Instability will be minimal, and will not include any thunder within the forecast. The increased cloud cover for Saturday Night will promote temperatures several degrees warmer than Friday Night, with overnight lows Saturday Night in the lower 50s well inland, to around 60 near the lakeshore. Model consensus diverges heading into the first part of the new week. GFS continues with the dry weather owed to high pressure remaining in control. The Canadian shows ridging building back in from the north, pushing the boundary back to the south of the area, drying things out for the most part. Meanwhile the Euro stalls the boundary over our region keeping showers in the forecast right through the end of the period. With all of this in mind, SChc PoPs will be in place across the majority of the area due the degree of uncertainty amongst model guidance, with the feeling that better chances will exist across the western Southern Tier and lesser chances east of Lake Ontario at this time. Daytime highs will average in the 60s each day, while overnight lows average from the mid 40s to mid 50s across the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Surprised no pops for Monday.. Sunday Night Mostly cloudy, with a low around 50. Monday Partly sunny, with a high near 62. Monday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 49. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 TEMPERATURE (F) TODAY MAXIMUM 69 2:23 PM MINIMUM 46 6:32 AM AVERAGE 58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBuffaloSteve Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said: The highlighted isn't odd, we've been pretty warm this month. What were the low temps in the surrounding stations last night? KBUF hit the low between 5 and 6 am https://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KBUF.html So this is were it gets strange... All the stations hit their minimum temp between 5am and 7am. KBUF actually was somewhat in line with the other stations at that time frame only 1.5-2.0 degrees above the average station temp. The larger variance appears to have been experienced earlier in the overnight as KBUF was running far and away warmer (5-6 degree range) for several hours. This is the same large variance we saw earlier in the night too between 9pm and 11pm. I think this would support more of the UHI theory over a sensor as the trapped heat would slowly lose its grip as the night went along. Interesting note here... KBUF didn't drop below 50 until after 2 am, while all other stations were below 50 by midnight. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: So this is were it gets strange... All the stations hit their minimum temp between 5am and 7am. KBUF actually was somewhat in line with the other stations at that time frame only 1.5-2.0 degrees above the average station temp. The larger variance appears to have been experienced earlier in the overnight as KBUF was running far and away warmer (5-6 degree range) for several hours. This is the same large variance we saw earlier in the night too between 9pm and 11pm. I think this would support more of the UHI theory over a sensor as the trapped heat would slowly lose its grip as the night went along. Interesting note here... KBUF didn't drop below 50 until after 2 am, while all other stations were below 50 by midnight. For that UHI effect, maybe check the wind direction. Was it pushing that warmer air from over the parking lot to the sensor? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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