WxWatcher007 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 The strongest signal of the season so far on guidance for TC genesis and intensification has been for newly designated Invest 90L. Expected to curve but long way out. Discuss. Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 200 PM EDT Mon Aug 30 2021 For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico: The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Tropical Storm Ida, located inland over western Mississippi, and on recently upgraded Tropical Storm Kate, located over the central tropical Atlantic. 1. Satellite-derived wind data and satellite imagery indicate that an area of low pressure has formed over the far eastern Tropical Atlantic in association with a tropical wave that recently moved off the west coast of Africa. Environmental conditions are conducive for development, and a tropical depression is likely to form within the next couple of days while the system moves west-northwestward at 10 to 15 mph over the eastern tropical Atlantic. * Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 ^ Jack Sillin thinks the incoming troughs into the east will steer the storm away from the US. Eric Webb says we should watch that storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 The ECMWF loves this system and wants to make a large hurricane. Plenty of time to watch how the block evolves or devolves in a week, re: land interaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezeta Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 ACElords rejoice, your storm is here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 EPS really wants to build the WAR westward. No guarantee this is a fish just yet. Would love a big swell producer though with a recurve near Bermuda. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intensewind002 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 This one could probably cause some issues for swimmers on the east coast. Hopefully people heed the rip current warnings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 ASCAT already shows a closed circulation with this one. It won't take long if convection persists for this to get classified. Hopefully it ends up a non-threat in the central Atlantic, but it will be an interesting Cape Verde longtracker nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Will be a fish storm. Will add a lot of ACE. Will have a lot of IKE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 This may get classified this evening. It looks like genesis has occurred with aligned mid and low level rotation contained within a decent convective envelope. We've certainly had worse looking TDs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger_deF Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 90L is consistently pushing out deep convection on IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 With regards to land interaction, it is worth noting that the ECMWF has been trending further south in track guidance now into the medium range. This is why I would not immediately discount the system as only an ACE producer. Though it does remind me of 2020 Hurricane Teddy in its infancy stage (as far as recent CV-long trackers go), and certainly a close call with Bermuda comes to mind, or perhaps even a potential post-tropical interaction with far eastern Canada. At any rate, the pattern is still far enough downstream that it could evolve into a surprise here. The system could get left behind in the central Atlantic/MDR and we're still early enough in the year that pesky WATL 500 hPa dam could rebuild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Windspeed said: With regards to land interaction, it is worth noting that the ECMWF has been trending further south in track guidance now into the medium range. This is why I would not immediately discount the system as only an ACE producer. Though it does remind me of 2020 Hurricane Teddy in its infancy stage (as far as recent CV-long trackers go), and certainly a close call with Bermuda comes to mind, or perhaps even a potential post-tropical interaction with far eastern Canada. At any rate, the pattern is still far enough downstream that it could evolve into a surprise here. The system could get left behind in the central Atlantic/MDR and we're still early enough in the year that pesky WATL 500 hPa dam could rebuild. Imo there's like a 95% it just runs up ACE but GFS has also been trending further south and west so am not 100% sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 The intensity forecast is pretty aggressive for an initial advisory by the NHC. 80 kts by three days. 90 kts in five days. Likely due to the overwhelming intensification trends by the globals and ensemble clusters. Good chance Larry will be the next major hurricane barring some complete failure to structurally organize, and even with slow organization, it probably reaches major intensity beyond five days anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger_deF Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Looking pretty beastly for a system that just came off of Africa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx_2001 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 This one's gonna be around for awhile and will likely be the next major. Should be fun to watch as long as it recurves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Good morning Larry BULLETIN Tropical Storm Larry Advisory Number 3 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL122021 800 AM CVT Wed Sep 01 2021 ...DEPRESSION STRENGTHENS INTO TROPICAL STORM LARRY OVER THE EASTERN TROPICAL ATLANTIC... SUMMARY OF 800 AM CVT...0900 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...12.3N 24.8W ABOUT 175 MI...280 KM S OF THE SOUTHERNMOST CABO VERDE ISLANDS MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...45 MPH...75 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 20 MPH...31 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1003 MB...29.62 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect. DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK ---------------------- At 800 AM CVT (0900 UTC), the center of Tropical Storm Larry was located near latitude 12.3 North, longitude 24.8 West. Larry is moving toward the west near 20 mph (31 km/h). A westward to west-northwestward motion is expected during the next couple of days, followed by a turn to the northwest over the weekend. Maximum sustained winds have increased to near 45 mph (75 km/h) with higher gusts. Additional strengthening is forecast during the next few days and Larry is forecast to become a hurricane by late Thursday or Friday. Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 60 miles (95 km) from the center. The estimated minimum central pressure is 1003 mb (29.62 inches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Major in 3 days Tropical Storm Larry Discussion Number 3 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL122021 800 AM CVT Wed Sep 01 2021 Deep convection with cloud tops colder than -80C have increased over and to the west of the low-level center since the previous advisory. Subjective satellite intensity estimates at 0600 UTC from TAFB and SAB were T2.5/35 kt and T3.0/45 kt, while the most recent objective intensity estimates from UW-CIMSS are T2.8/41 kt from ADT and 37 kt from SATCON. An average of these intensity estimates support increasing the advisory intensity to 40 kt, making the cyclone Tropical Storm Larry. In addition, 0300 UTC and 0700 UTC observations from ship VRNF3, which recently passed through the center of Larry, reported a pressure of 1006.8 mb and winds near 25 kt. These data were the basis for the estimated central pressure of 1003 mb, a pressure value that also supports an intensity of 40 kt. Larry has turned more westward over the past several hours, and the new motion estimate is 280/17 kt. Larry is expected to move around the southern and southwestern periphery of the sprawling Bermuda-Azores ridge for the next 5 days, resulting in a general west motion for the next 36 hours or so, followed by a turn toward the west-northwest on Friday, and a northwestward motion over the weekend and continuing into early next week. There has been a pronounced westward shift in the track guidance for this cycle, with the greatest shift coming from the GFS model. Over the past 36 hours, the GFS has shifted its track westward by more than 500 nmi, and even the latest shift still keeps the GFS model the easternmost track forecast in the guidance suite. In contrast, the ECMWF and UKMET models, which lie along the westernmost portion of the guidance envelope, have been fairly stable. Owing to the westward shift in the overall guidance envelope, and considering the GFS solution as an outlier model, the new NHC forecast track has also been shifted westward, and lies between the NOAA-HCCA corrected-consensus model to the south, and the tightly packed TVCA simple-consensus model and FSSE corrected-consensus model to the north. Given the poor handling of the ridge to the north of Larry by the GFS, subsequent NHC forecast tracks may have to be shifted farther west. Given the improved inner-core wind field based on earlier ASCAT wind data and reports from ship VRNF3, along with warm sea-surface temperatures of 28 deg C and light easterly to southeasterly vertical shear of around 5 kt, steady strengthening is expected for the next 24 hours or so. By 36 hours when Larry is expected to be a hurricane and have a well-established and tighter inner-core wind field and possibly an eye, rapid intensification is forecast, with Larry becoming a major hurricane by 72 hour. This in large part due to the massive equatorward upper-level outflow pattern that all of the global and regional models are forecasting, which is the same type of outflow pattern that recently occurred with Hurricane Ida. The new official intensity forecast is above the previous advisory forecast by about 10 kt at all forecast times, and conservatively follows an average of the Decay-SHIPS, COAMPS-TC, FSSE, and ECMWF models. This intensity forecast is near the upper end of the guidance envelope and is above the other consensus intensity models. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 01/0900Z 12.3N 24.8W 40 KT 45 MPH 12H 01/1800Z 12.5N 27.5W 50 KT 60 MPH 24H 02/0600Z 12.6N 30.6W 60 KT 70 MPH 36H 02/1800Z 13.1N 33.7W 70 KT 80 MPH 48H 03/0600Z 13.6N 36.8W 85 KT 100 MPH 60H 03/1800Z 14.4N 39.7W 95 KT 110 MPH 72H 04/0600Z 15.5N 42.0W 100 KT 115 MPH 96H 05/0600Z 18.2N 46.9W 105 KT 120 MPH 120H 06/0600Z 21.3N 50.6W 105 KT 120 MPH $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Larry looks primed this morning. This will be a fun one to watch for a long time. NHC disco this morning really gives this the impression we will be watching a sprawling major hurricane for some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Some models hinting it gets close to Bermuda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a5ehren Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 This is more like it. Gimme a big pretty fish cane over a GOM basher any day. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, a5ehren said: This is more like it. Gimme a big pretty fish cane over a GOM basher any day. Looking forward to the perfect eye out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxFreak11 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 This one is going to be fun to track! A huge major hurricane which hopefully avoids Bermuda and Atlantic Canada. Let’s rack up some ACE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Even though the cyclone is in its infancy, the circulation is quite large. I'd imagine Larry is going to be a large hurricane as has been hinted by modeling. A core has not developed yet but there are good banding features already in progress. Probably won't take long to form a core once deep convection becomes centralized. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 St. John’s nfld might catch this on the recurve. Will be watching here in the maritimes. Kinda a Teddy vibe but It’s early We’ll see. #NovaScotiaStrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger_deF Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 39 minutes ago, tiger_deF said: That's more of a dry slot than a proper eye, but this has great outflow structure and no vertical stacking issues early on unlike most of the earlier-season systems. This cyclone is going places, especially as it gets into warmer waters further west and even northwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Larry is far enough south in track right now on a westward heading that it doesn't appear thermodynamics are going to be much of an issue at its given rate of motion. It is currently moving over 27-28°C SSTs, and will be crossing over a region of 28°C SSTs soon. It has a fairly moist envelope. It also looks like the vigorous mid-level circulation is wrapping convection up pretty fast here. Larry looks to be steadily strengthening and may be a hurricane sooner than forecast. It might even pull off a large eye right out the gate. The last CV hurricanes I can remember forming a large stable eye early into hurricane intensity were Isabel and Igor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6Z GEFS, a few outliers comes close to ECUSA, and Bermuda is clearly as risk in 8 or 9 days. This may not be a pure 'fish' storm. Students back from lunch in 2 minutes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger_deF Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I've seen hurricanes with worse eyes than this dry spot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BYG Jacob Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 The words are, "eye" and "hurricane" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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