WxWatcher007 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Yup. Anniversary is actually today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Carol was smaller than '38 too...it was more tropical and had an intact eyewall at landfall whereas the '38 storm was going extratropical with baroclinic assist....which why the worst winds in 1938 were over eastern MA/E CT/RI even though the center actually tracked over western CT and western MA near the NY border. Did not know that about the worst winds... Wonder if maybe it could be partially related to the density of reliable observations? The tree damage was absolutely catastrophic here east of the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 This is cool from Blue Hill. Some impressive anecdotes. 125mph gust. https://bluehill.org/observatory/2013/08/a-look-back-at-hurricane-carol-1954/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: 1,545 houses were destroyed and another 9,720 were damaged. Approximately 3,500 cars and 3,000 boats were destroyed. There were 65 deaths and 1,000 injuries in New England. T Was this carol? Or ‘38 Ginxy? Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: Was this carol? Or ‘38 Ginxy? Thanks for the info. Carol. My hometown was destroyed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Yup. Anniversary is actually today. Ryan has a nice writeup http://www.ryanhanrahan.com/2013/09/01/hurricane-carol-the-monster-of-1954/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, radarman said: Did not know that about the worst winds... Wonder if maybe it could be partially related to the density of reliable observations? The tree damage was absolutely catastrophic here east of the river. Well even west of ORH got in on the wind core...so I should probably say "central MA" too...so places like Palmer/Ware would have been in it....but typically the worst winds on a more tropical system would have been over the CT river but in this case it was over central/east-central MA and E CT/RI. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 HRRR is pretty wild for southern ct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Ryan has a nice writeup http://www.ryanhanrahan.com/2013/09/01/hurricane-carol-the-monster-of-1954/ Man the 50’s were quite the decade for Southern New England Hurricanes. I remember my grandfather always talking about them..Carol, Donna and Edna if I remember correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ineedsnow said: HRRR is pretty wild for southern ct Got an image bud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 SREFS gone wild 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hailstoned Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, radarman said: Did not know that about the worst winds... Wonder if maybe it could be partially related to the density of reliable observations? The tree damage was absolutely catastrophic here east of the river. I wonder if the depiction of worst winds well to the east of the 38 center passage are based on the absurd, terrain enhanced gust to 186 on top of Blue Hill. From copious historical evidence and reports, 38's most extreme winds (and coastal storm surges) were in a swath from about the CT River to the ORH area and northward into central New Hampshire where entire pine forests were flattened. Not to say it didn't blow hard in eastern MA, but accounts, including personal ones from my relatives, do not paint nearly as an extreme picture as those in the aforementioned areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: Got an image bud? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Heaviest rain near and north of WF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 This lead frontal axis that's stalled along the south coast .. might be 'sorta' telling. The models may be over doing it on the position of that front. The track of the transitioning low is going to run ~ along that feature. Stronger, a little north ... weaker, where ever the front is at the time it ripples through. Just using the various free products to the public off the web ...the models look like they want this front to press S more. However, I'm not seeing a huge momentum actually happening right now. I'm interesting in if the models (12z et al ) may adjust N some as 'detection' materializes less inhibition in the lead environment if/when the front is in fact positioned farther N. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hailstoned said: I wonder if the depiction of worst winds well to the east of the 38 center passage are based on the absurd, terrain enhanced gust to 186 on top of Blue Hill. From copious historical evidence and reports, 38's most extreme winds (and coastal storm surges) were in a swath from about the CT River to the ORH area and northward into central New Hampshire where entire pine forests were flattened. Not to say it didn't blow hard in eastern MA, but accounts, including personal ones from my relatives, do not paint nearly as an extreme picture as those in the aforementioned areas. This image is from the harvard forest archives...the max damage definitely is a little west of, say, BOS, but it is focused over E CT/RI/C MA/E-central MA. It seems to taper some back near the CT river in MA (but not in NH) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said: This image is from the harvard forest archives...the max damage definitely is a little west of, say, BOS, but it is focused over E CT/RI/C MA/E-central MA. It seems to taper some back near the CT river in MA (but not in NH) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hailstoned said: I wonder if the depiction of worst winds well to the east of the 38 center passage are based on the absurd, terrain enhanced gust to 186 on top of Blue Hill. From copious historical evidence and reports, 38's most extreme winds (and coastal storm surges) were in a swath from about the CT River to the ORH area and northward into central New Hampshire where entire pine forests were flattened. Not to say it didn't blow hard in eastern MA, but accounts, including personal ones from my relatives, do not paint nearly as an extreme picture as those in the aforementioned areas. Thanks. As you mention the Quabbin area took a tremendous hit. Vast swaths laid flat. There is a museum/visitor center at the Harvard Forest in Petersham where a lot of this is well documented. It totally changed the characteristic of the woods. Closer to the river itself may not have experienced the worst, possibly due to the expanding ET wind field as was mentioned, avoidance of the RFQ, and maybe with the usual trouble mixing down winds. But the surge related flooding was very bad, second only to the great 1936 flood (which is in a league of its own) just 2 years prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said: That's a pretty cool image, but it's modeled, so I try and stay with empirical obs. Here's another from Harvard....it shows damage by town...obviously there's some gaps in this analysis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Nam is 3 to 5 for most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: This image is from the harvard forest archives... yeah... Ninja'd me there... It's a cool place to visit actually. They have these depictions over time all created as scenes mad of snipped tin, with thousands of little leaves. It's hard to describe but super cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3k is nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 The NAM looks gusty too..but a tad north with the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 to 8 for ct on the 3k big jump north from 6z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, SouthCoastMA said: The NAM looks gusty too..but a tad north with the rain. Congrats on the spinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx2fish Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: That's a pretty cool image, but it's modeled, so I try and stay with empirical obs. Here's another from Harvard....it shows damage by town...obviously there's some gaps in this analysis I've read in some of the town history stuff here saying there were so many downed trees they just started putting them into Canabie Lake. There's been some salvage efforts over the years for pulling out some of the wood. We're also alot more forested now than '38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 LOL, 3K s a warning event pike south with some 50mph winds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, wx2fish said: I've read in some of the town history stuff here saying there were so many downed trees they just started putting them into Canabie Lake. There's been some salvage efforts over the years for pulling out some of the wood Those images showing the monads basically leveled probably indicative of strong winds just east of center too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3-6" sounds great! Hopefully we get some good flooding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: That's a pretty cool image, but it's modeled, so I try and stay with empirical obs. Here's another from Harvard....it shows damage by town...obviously there's some gaps in this analysis I wrote a final paper for my post graduate course in Natural Resource Mgmt on forest ecology and hurricanes. Amazing destruction in 38 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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