September Discussion Thread: Bring the frost; kill the bugs.

[WinterWolf]

3 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

43.4F for the low at the nearest Davis station to me.  Matched pretty well with my cheap unit (43.2)

 

Just took the students outside for a bit.  Spectacular day

Ya we’re headed out at 9:20 here with the lil ones(kindergartners) too for P.E. …feels great out there. 

[CoastalWx]

It is a nice crisp morning.

[powderfreak]

42F and -RN in town.  Wow this is a shock.

Radiated to 37F but then clouds and no mixing has locked it into the valley.  Clear cloud inversion layer around 1500ft.

42F and precipitating lightly is cold.

[Baroclinic Zone]

53 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Meh. If we don’t get buried I’m rooting for torch. Looking forward to dews again next spring. 

I'm with you.  

[Typhoon Tip]

42 .. 44 most sites within a couple clicks for the coldest so far. 

I'm thinking 37 .. 38 tonight out around the rural countryside for some car top soft (mix) frost and very cold water depending which side of the upper 30s.  Typical climo achievers will probably bottom out 34 

Shot across the bow air mass.  However, it is very localized in the synoptic-relative scales.  It's really like a "tuck" scenario, but doing it in the 500 mb circulation manifold.  Quite likely a "benefit" of the -NAO.  But it's all contained right over New England, as though something really really wants to enable the using social media into dopamine nostalgia, if not sticking their heads in a paper bag like a cat hiding from a tail-puller while it's entire ass-end is exposed.   To the cat, all they see is the reality and faux safety inside the bag. Only here, people are ready to argue it's over - whatever that means.   I mean, summery pith heat?  Yeah, that was gone weeks and weeks ago...  But an above normal sea all around, and not very autumn migrant, that is your ass end.

Sorry, ..this isn't picking on anyone sentimentality - it's me hating it really.   I don't like endless vague indian summer falls that recurve hurricanes "against climo" like this year is doing.   That's the other gripe ... wtf is Sam doing that track into a -NAO field?   It's the narrowness of this stupid "tuck" shit going - that trough is bobbing straight S and out around NS ( that close by..) the mid levels vectors stay south.  I mean, that's like needing record breaking to keep the Lions losing by way of a 66 yard historic field goal - what need' to happen to keep a region butt boning tries patients ( commiserating with cane enthusiasts here - ) .. otherwise, Sam 'should have' ended up around the outer Bahamas.

The pattern looks incredible boring moving forward for at least a week ...maybe 10 days. Maybe climbing modestly abv normals as the time elapses.  Good for ogling Nature's artistry ...  That's something. 

Euro stalks Sam S-SE of Nova Scotia on this last run - hmm... perhaps an homage if not correction to the above weirdness.  -NAO with bee-line obsessive ass-haulin' recurved canes is anti-correlated.  Be that as it may... maybe the Euro's like, "woa, woa.  Wait.  Ah.  I don't know guys. I think if we want torment and asshole toward storm enthusiasts, we should really rather stall Sam - that way we don't violate pan-dimentional physics, while simultaneous taunting.."   I figure it's just a matter runs before the other guidance get that memo and agree.

Otherwise, it's watching the Patriots maximize the possible extent of humiliation and embarrassment in front of the most telegraphed global specter generated millions of eyes since the Great Tunguska Blast of 1908.  Meanwhile the Red Sox relentlessly guide their way out of the playoffs by losing to the two teams in the League that are holding up the bottom of the cellar floor. 

Have a nice day

 

[Damage In Tolland]

1 hour ago, Lava Rock said:

Maybe down there, but ME mtns are peaking this weekend/next week which I believe is typical

Late 

[tamarack]

35 minutes ago, Lava Rock said:

I'm still not getting this part. So if Mainers unanimously vote "yes" to stop the corridor, but legislature does not get 2/3 majority, then CMP gets to build corridor correct? Most voters don't read the full bill and thus the confusion when simply reading the ballot question. Heck, even the bill isn't straight forward.

If "Yes" wins, the corridor is dead, pending all the lawsuits of course.  To me, the first part in my earlier post intends to correct what was seemingly an unconstitutional lease approval by BPL - changing well-managed commercial forest to a powerline corridor sure passes my straight-face test as "substantially altering", and thus the lease should've been subject to the 2/3 majority in the legislature but instead was never submitted.  (Leases that don't result in substantial alteration need no legislative approval.)  
And it's always confusing when voting yes means no.   Many years back there was a referendum for local metered phone service, and my wife and I plus our staff biologist and his wife all had the same opinion but voted 2-2 due to the very confusing language.

I find this whole affair very sad, as 33 of my 36 years in state employ was with BPL and those were great years working with great people.  Now I see two people I call friends and for whom I have great respect, on opposite sides of the lawsuit challenging the lease, the BPL director whom I've worked with for 20+ years as he was formerly the forest specialist for the Maine Natural Areas Program, and my state senator, with whom I've worked on maple products from public lands (He has several thousand taps and strongly encourages more sugaring in Maine) and who was Maine's and the Northeast Region's tree farmer of the year in 2018.

[powderfreak]

2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

45.2 was the low. Leaves finally going to town changing this week. 2-3 weeks late north to south 

lol wut?  2-3 weeks late is like a peak the 3rd week of October on the mountain and Halloween in town.

Hyperbole.  

[tamarack]

6 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Late 

Colors may be late in places, but late Sept/early Oct is indeed the average peak in the western Maine mts.   When I was in northern Maine the average peak was the last week of September.  We're running a bit late but within a week of average.

[mreaves]

13 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

lol wut?  2-3 weeks late is like a peak the 3rd week of October on the mountain and Halloween in town.

Hyperbole.  

 

10 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Colors may be late in places, but late Sept/early Oct is indeed the average peak in the western Maine mts.   When I was in northern Maine the average peak was the last week of September.  We're running a bit late but within a week of average.

It seems like he thinks peak is scheduled the same every year, like Memorial Day or Labor Day.

[BrianW]

September was a torch here with an average temp of 70.3.

I'm hoping we get another winter like 2020 with monthly winter averages 36+. 

HVN's average monthly temp data. 

 

[powderfreak]

24 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Colors may be late in places, but late Sept/early Oct is indeed the average peak in the western Maine mts.   When I was in northern Maine the average peak was the last week of September.  We're running a bit late but within a week of average.

You would know more than me, but fall foliage to me doesn't really vary more than a week or so either way.  It can start late but then it usually finishes within a week of normal.... or it can start early but still finishes up around the normal time.  Like it really wants to find the average dates... which I tell people on the mountain is usually the end of the first week of October, and in town it's like October 10-15 time frame.  Columbus Day weekend in mid-October is always busy with tourism traffic and is always too late for mountain foliage but under 1,000-1,500ft you can usually catch some straggling colors.

But when folks throw out foliage as being either 2-3 weeks late or early, it is just simply hyperbole because that's like a peak in mid-September to Halloween on either end.  It just doesn't happen.

[SJonesWX]

 

seems like we are right on track

[Cyclone-68]

52 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

I'm with you.  

Same 

[Ginx snewx]

Shorts on. God what a beautiful day. Warm sun nice breeze, Yanks on a roll.  Holy cow 

[TalcottWx]

2 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Meh. If we don’t get buried I’m rooting for torch. Looking forward to dews again next spring. 

Who are you? Do I know you? Omg

[Ginx snewx]

2 hours ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Only a week late with this Fall weather.

SUMMER ends Sept 21st

[Ginx snewx]

9 minutes ago, DotRat_Wx said:

Who are you? Do I know you? Omg

If he is at this age imagine him at my age. Living in Florida with pic's of 15 on his bedroom ceiling.  We lost the real Scott when he had kids. Think we all go thru his stage though. Once the kids are self managed he might return to weeniedom. Sad state of mind right now.

 

Not related but people need to stop and think. The gloom and doom is hyperbole. The world will be fine. Toughen up, live for each day and let the rest of the world carry on. I see and hear so many people worried about tomorrow.  For way too many  tomorrow never comes.

[TalcottWx]

Just now, Ginx snewx said:

If he is at this age imagine him at my age. Living in Florida with pic's of 15 on his bedroom ceiling.  We lost the real Scott when he had kids. Think we all go thru his stage though. Once the kids are self managed he might return to weeniedom. Sad state of mind right now.

 

Not related but people need to stop and think. The gloom and doom is hyperbole. The world will be fine. Toughen up, live for each day and let the rest if the world carry on. I see and hear so many people worried about tomorrow.  For way too many  tomorrow never comes.

[Baroclinic Zone]

4 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

SUMMER ends Sept 21st

In your World. I use what the NWS uses.

[Ginx snewx]

7 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

In your World. I use what the NWS uses.

Your world as well. NWS uses it for consistency in record keeping.  Sept 16th is as warm as June 3rd. Using artificial record keeping as a denomination doesn't represent reality but you can live in your own alternative reality world I guess.

[powderfreak]

1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

Your world as well. NWS uses it for consistency in record keeping.  Sept 16th is as warm as June 3rd. Using artificial record keeping as a denomination doesn't represent reality but you can live in your own alternative reality world I guess.

Winter ends March 1st too.  No snowstorms after that?  Just like no heat after Sept 1st?

Right?  

[Ginx snewx]

1 minute ago, powderfreak said:

Winter ends March 1st too.  No snowstorms after that?  Just like no heat after Sept 1st?

Right?  

Spring blowing snow with drifts 3 to 6 feet in 2018? I mean cmon man lol

[Lava Rock]

1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

You would know more than me, but fall foliage to me doesn't really vary more than a week or so either way.  It can start late but then it usually finishes within a week of normal.... or it can start early but still finishes up around the normal time.  Like it really wants to find the average dates... which I tell people on the mountain is usually the end of the first week of October, and in town it's like October 10-15 time frame.  Columbus Day weekend in mid-October is always busy with tourism traffic and is always too late for mountain foliage but under 1,000-1,500ft you can usually catch some straggling colors.

But when folks throw out foliage as being either 2-3 weeks late or early, it is just simply hyperbole because that's like a peak in mid-September to Halloween on either end.  It just doesn't happen.

how's it looking over there? We'll be there Fri-Sun.

[CoastalWx]

50 minutes ago, DotRat_Wx said:

Who are you? Do I know you? Omg

I'm just going through a change. Summer was great with lots of outdoor times, beach etc. I enjoyed it. Now it's back to cold, covid, and cutters.

[Damage In Tolland]

24 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I'm just going through a change. Summer was great with lots of outdoor times, beach etc. I enjoyed it. Now it's back to cold, covid, and cutters.

Coc k?

[40/70 Benchmark]

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[CoastalWx]

25 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Coc k?

Just give me snow from Nov-Mar to keep me occupied. Very easy task.    

[powderfreak]

6 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

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Not boring?

Mount Washington's first snow shower of the season today, lol.

[powderfreak]

51 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I'm just going through a change. Summer was great with lots of outdoor times, beach etc. I enjoyed it. Now it's back to cold, covid, and cutters.

I’ve noticed the sunlight affects me more as I get older.  I don’t think it’s the cold or warmth.  It’s the light from 4:45am until 9:45pm vs 7am to 4pm that gets me.

Weather I can go outside in anything, just give me light .