September Discussion Thread: Bring the frost; kill the bugs.

[ORH_wxman]

1 hour ago, dryslot said:

Yes Dave, All those factors play into trying to keep pool temps up, The gains you have during the day are lost by the nights in the 40's plus a few more degrees in the wrong direction.

Even nights in the 50s are killer for pools. My aunt/uncle live like 3 min from us with an in-ground pool and they are pretty much done. Pool was freezing a week ago. Unless you have sun all day long, the nights are just too much of a losing battle. Their neighborhood is in a low lying area too which makes it worse....they radiate like mad.

I feel like you'd need a yard that doesn't radiate well plus tons of sun to keep the pool going through September.

[dryslot]

5 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Even nights in the 50s are killer for pools. My aunt/uncle live like 3 min from us with an in-ground pool and they are pretty much done. Pool was freezing a week ago. Unless you have sun all day long, the nights are just too much of a losing battle. Their neighborhood is in a low lying area too which makes it worse....they radiate like mad.

I feel like you'd need a yard that doesn't radiate well plus tons of sun to keep the pool going through September.

Yes, The night time temps are the real villain here, Its just not worth the effort to try to maintain warmer pool temps so it can be used for all the reasons stated.

[Damage In Tolland]

Looks like a Tor outbreak tomorrow from N MA up into SNH and S ME . That’s NB

[mreaves]

28 minutes ago, dryslot said:

Fall is one of the best times of year, This month so far has had several nights in the 40's here, As expected, Still a few weeks away,  But looking for the first frost of the fall season.

45.8° for a low this morning.  Snowmobile shows are my marker for moving into the cold season.  I'll be at Epping, NH for the grass drags and Augusta for the Maine show again.  Looking forward to it after a year off.

[dryslot]

2 minutes ago, mreaves said:

45.8° for a low this morning.  Snowmobile shows are my marker for moving into the cold season.  I'll be at Epping, NH for the grass drags and Augusta for the Maine show again.  Looking forward to it after a year off.

Fall harvest is the signal for me, And everything else follows.

[Chrisrotary12]

26 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Looks like a Tor outbreak tomorrow from N MA up into SNH and S ME . That’s NB

Still waiting for my overnight derecho to come through first.

[dryslot]

The approaching front will be a focusing mechanism
for lift which will make thunderstorms a pretty sure bet as the
front moves through. The combination of instability, shear, and
lift is right for the development of severe thunderstorms.
Supercells with all severe weather types (hail, winds, and
tornadoes) are possible within the warm sector ahead of the
front on Wednesday, while the forcing along the front will
likely produce more widespread and linear thunderstorms as it
moves through. This would focus the severe weather threat more
toward damaging winds, and for this reason we have included
damaging winds in the forecast. Again, broader severe weather
threats are possible, including heavy rainfall and possible
flash flooding, however the wind threat has the greatest
confidence at this point.

[Baroclinic Zone]

I'll be closing our pool up probably next weekend.

[Typhoon Tip]

1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

Even nights in the 50s are killer for pools. My aunt/uncle live like 3 min from us with an in-ground pool and they are pretty much done. Pool was freezing a week ago. Unless you have sun all day long, the nights are just too much of a losing battle. Their neighborhood is in a low lying area too which makes it worse....they radiate like mad.

I feel like you'd need a yard that doesn't radiate well plus tons of sun to keep the pool going through September.

There are two variables that play in there:

A, heat source and sink thermodynamics. 

B, source of heating

Bottom line, uptake of solar heating cannot fall below the rate of the black-body radiative hemorrhaging. 

A, if the surrounding medium's heat sink is deepening, like lowering DPs ... seeya later warmth. A warmer DP sounding medium naturally means a shallower sink, the water doesn't hemorrhage as much.

There probably is some critical angle the sun falls beneath where it doesn't matter, and the pool will cool either way.  But a warmer DP early autumn may slow that some.  

 

 

[Damage In Tolland]

27 minutes ago, Chrisrotary12 said:

Still waiting for my overnight derecho to come through first.

There was never supposed to be one there 

[kdxken]

2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

There was never supposed to be one there 

Oklahoma?

[Damage In Tolland]

Congrats up there folks. Big day ahead tomorrow. Hoping some spills down into SNE

 

[Cyclone-68]

I hope the TORCON scale is 58 tomorrow 

[dendrite]

19 minutes ago, Cyclone-68 said:

I hope the TORCON scale is 58 tomorrow 

TOR in CON

[butterfish55]

Hate closing the pool, but the pool company is closing it on 10/7. I use an electric heat pump...keeping it at around 75-76 for the kids to use. Will probably crank it up a bit higher tomorrow since it'll be so warm out. Solar panels on my roof pretty much cover the electric for the heater

[Torch Tiger]

2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Looks like a Tor outbreak tomorrow from N MA up into SNH and S ME . That’s NB

looks pretty light for most of SNE

[Cyclone-68]

25 minutes ago, Torch Tiger said:

looks pretty light for most of SNE

Forecast discussion by BOX really zapped the excitement out of this except for NH and Essex county 

[WeatherHappens]

3 minutes ago, Cyclone-68 said:

Forecast discussion by BOX really zapped the excitement out of this except for NH and Essex county 

shocking

[Lava Rock]

3 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Looks like a Tor outbreak tomorrow from N MA up into SNH and S ME . That’s NB

shakin' in my boots

[tamarack]

4 hours ago, dryslot said:

Fall is one of the best times of year, This month so far has had several nights in the 40's here, As expected, Still a few weeks away,  But looking for the first frost of the fall season.

Median date for 1st frost here is 9/19.  I'm guessing it will be at least a week later this year.

[Damage In Tolland]

1 hour ago, Torch Tiger said:

looks pretty light for most of SNE

Big boy ahead 

[dryslot]

6 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Median date for 1st frost here is 9/19.  I'm guessing it will be at least a week later this year.

Its typically the first of Oct down this way, we will see how it goes.

 

[weathafella]

13 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Big boy ahead 

 

13 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Big boy who cries wolf here

FYP

[Torch Tiger]

26 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Big boy ahead 

Not for us

[powderfreak]

Glorious weather continues.  40s by night and 70s by day is why September is awesome.

[TheBudMan]

Under an EHC and we can't even get a post from Wiz ?  what gives ??? 

[Lava Rock]

1 hour ago, dryslot said:

Its typically the first of Oct down this way, we will see how it goes.

 

End of Oct on the hill

[CoastalWx]

Should be a corridor of potential  from like Albany to lakes region and E-NE of there tomorrow aftn. Maybe up to Stowe too, although depends on front timing.

[powderfreak]

33 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Should be a corridor of potential  from like Albany to lakes region and E-NE of there tomorrow aftn. Maybe up to Stowe too, although depends on front timing.

Yeah looks like just SE of here it starts to really ramp up.  The composite radar progs really go nuts between like GFL/ALB to LEB and ENE to between LCI/BML.

If we could slow the front down to like 4pm instead of 1-2pm here, that would work too.

[dendrite]

Chickens plucked in multiple vortices