Amped Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 GFS and Icon have a decent storm. CMC and Euro are a big sheared mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Well on the plus side I guess if it is a Laura redux, there's not much left in that area to destroy (don't forget Delta also affected that general area last year). I suspect Cameron, Creole and Grand Chenier are pretty much gone. Only thing is if it does what Laura didn't and comes in a little west of Calcasieu Pass, pushing the surge right through it and into downtown Lake Charles. Laura's landfall was pretty much a center bullseye on the pass, meaning the brunt of the onshore flow/surge was just to the east of there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, Floydbuster said: 12Z GFS has landfall in Louisiana at 932 mb. Internet says Laura was 939. I know it isn't just the pressure, it is the gradient (1983 Alicia was named a TS w/ 1014 mb central pressure, but it was imbedded in a surface ridge), but 932mb on a 13 km model is scary. This looks like it hits the same area, although 6 days out, who knows. I do now I got several students last year from Lake Charles, because their homes were destroyed and they moved or moved in w/ relatives in Houston. They probably just finishing rebuilding the fishing and oilfield docks in Cameron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 GFS Ensembles still spraying Mexico to the Florida Panhandle. 8 sub 984 mb hurricanes, South Texas to Florida Panhandle. NHC has 3 low level flights and a high altitude data flight tomorrow/Friday morning. Don't see that for just any old invest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Well on the plus side I guess if it is a Laura redux, there's not much left in that area to destroy (don't forget Delta also affected that general area last year). I suspect Cameron, Creole and Grand Chenier are pretty much gone. Only thing is if it does what Laura didn't and comes in a little west of Calcasieu Pass, pushing the surge right through it and into downtown Lake Charles. Laura's landfall was pretty much a center bullseye on the pass, meaning the brunt of the onshore flow/surge was just to the east of there.That's a big if though. Early genesis in the NW Caribbean could open the door for the TC to be anywhere along the north GOM, not necessarily a Laura redo. Note how the PV anomaly north of 99L evolves through the first 72 hours. If 99L's resultant TC deepens faster than the GFS models here, a stronger stacked system is likely to feel the initial poleward 500-300 mb flow over the eastern GOM until the TC's diabetic heat transfer processes squash it. This could result in more intial latitude gain until a gradual bend back NW with increasing 500 dm heights over the eastern CONUS. Lots of possibilities here with a notable heavy flood threat in a stalling inland deluge with a possible block scenario late next week into the following weekend. This is unfortunately another nasty setup for inland flooding. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 The UK still tracks it over the Yucatan and delays the organization until the far nw gulf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcatz Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Not sure I've ever seen NHC talk about potential dangerous hurricane impacts from a wave during a TWO: 1. A broad area of low pressure is expected to form over the southwestern Caribbean Sea during the next day or so from a tropical wave currently located north of Colombia. Environmental conditions are forecast to be conducive for development, and a tropical depression or tropical storm is likely to form late this week or over the weekend. The system is expected to move northwestward over the northwestern Caribbean Sea and near or across the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico on Friday and into the Gulf of Mexico this weekend where conditions are expected to be favorable for additional development. Regardless of development, heavy rainfall and flooding will be possible through the weekend in portions of Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, Belize, and the Yucatan Peninsula. In addition, this system could bring dangerous impacts from storm surge, wind, and heavy rainfall to portions of the coasts of Louisiana, Texas, and the Mexican state of Tamaulipas late this weekend and early next week. However, uncertainty remains large since the system has yet to form. Interests in these areas should closely monitor the progress of this system and ensure they have their hurricane plan in place. An Air Force Reserve reconnaissance aircraft is scheduled to investigate the system Thursday afternoon, if necessary. * Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...50 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...high...80 percent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I certainly pray this does not track over portions that Laura did. My company lost an employee and has spent millions of dollars rebuilding our facilities following that event last year. To be honest I think we may just have to close it down if it were to take on another strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Uh oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekWeatherGod95 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Windspeed said: Uh oh... That’s definitely the worst case scenario. God help those who are in its path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, nwohweather said: I certainly pray this does not track over portions that Laura did. My company lost an employee and has spent millions of dollars rebuilding our facilities following that event last year. To be honest I think we may just have to close it down if it were to take on another strike u just gotta lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezeta Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, nwohweather said: I certainly pray this does not track over portions that Laura did. My company lost an employee and has spent millions of dollars rebuilding our facilities following that event last year. To be honest I think we may just have to close it down if it were to take on another strike That sucks. What does your company do? Can they rebuild somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LoboLeader1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 30° C waters in the Gulf with little shear, yikes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 The list of potential negatives for this thing is pretty short. With virtually all lower-res global guidance and ensembles calling this, it's starting to look like one of those events I like to call "synoptically evident". Gotta hope for some sloppy early-stage development or (destructive) land interaction. I don't think outflow shear in the gulf from an Epac storm alone is going to cut it in this case. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 u just gotta lolI mean dozens of people losing their jobs doesn’t sound funny to me… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 That sucks. What does your company do? Can they rebuild somewhere else?Yeah we can but all those people locally would lose the work. We’d basically move everything over to Houston and close that down permanently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, nwohweather said: Yeah we can but all those people locally would lose the work. We’d basically move everything over to Houston and close that down permanently Lots of spread still -- plenty of time for it to change. Crossing my fingers for ya. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezeta Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, csnavywx said: The list of potential negatives for this thing is pretty short. With virtually all lower-res global guidance and ensembles calling this, it's starting to look like one of those events I like to call "synoptically evident". Gotta hope for some sloppy early-stage development or (destructive) land interaction. I don't think outflow shear in the gulf from an Epac storm alone is going to cut it in this case. Yeah, you have to root for it to be big and loose. That’s the most likely failure mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 The list of potential negatives for this thing is pretty short. With virtually all lower-res global guidance and ensembles calling this, it's starting to look like one of those events I like to call "synoptically evident". Gotta hope for some sloppy early-stage development or (destructive) land interaction. I don't think outflow shear in the gulf from an Epac storm alone is going to cut it in this case.Dr Papin mentioned this in his latest post. The same PV helping to lift 99L's resultant TC into the central GOM also seems to act as a buffer between airmass evacuation from the potential EPAC system and the same from the GOM system. At any rate, the overall upper environment looks considerably conducive for an intensifying hurricane, especially given the westerly + northerly branch outflow jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbuster Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Windspeed said: Dr Papin mentioned this in his latest post. The same PV helping to lift 99L's resultant TC into the central GOM also seems to act as a buffer between airmass evacuation from the potential EPAC system and the same from the GOM system. At any rate, the overall upper environment looks considerably conducive for an intensifying hurricane, especially given the westerly + southerly branch outflow jets. If we are reaching for reasons to inhibit strengthening, we could have a real serious hurricane on our hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 If we are reaching for reasons to inhibit strengthening, we could have a real serious hurricane on our hands. Well we still don't have a closed vortex to track and initialize more accurate modeling. Arguably, the ECMWF and GFS operationals, though rare to be in such alignment pre-TCG, might be way off if 99L is delayed in undergoing genesis. If it occurs near the Riveria Maya or tracks longer over the Yucatán, that could definitely help as an inhibitor. But we are reaching if this merely crosses extreme NE Yucatán, the channel, or even western tip of Cuba. The aforementioned scenario could help keep the TC a low-end hurricane if there are structural and organizational issues. But the latter would increase the odds of major, perhaps intense hurricane unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AChilders Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 18Z GFS coming in much stronger and northeast at hour 72 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, AChilders said: 18Z GFS coming in much stronger and northeast at hour 72 It seems to be consolidating the 850 mb center farther North, which would make sense if the MLC is strong enough to form an LLC. I don't think the Florida Panhandle is off the hook. Barely clips the W tip of Cuba, minimal land interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoeppeya Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 18z bombs into NOLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldub23 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, schoeppeya said: 18z bombs into NOLA Actually its considerably weaker than 12z. Maybe its going so fast it will never really do much. So far this hasnt been a season of quality. My guess is the further east it goes the weaker it will be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, schoeppeya said: 18z bombs into NOLA On a worst case track moving NW. I know the levees were rebuilt to be stronger and less likely to experience over-wash, which resulted in a lot of failures, but they don't need this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Sunday is sooner than the models had been showing before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldub23 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ed, snow and hurricane fan said: Sunday is sooner than the models had been showing before... Yea, and it appears the faster it goes the weaker it will be. Hopefully if this so far short weakening trend continues it will come in as a cat1 rainmaker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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