bluewave Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, uncle W said: What...I said it...these are three or more days with a max 80 or above for three days or longer starting around the first day of calendar fall...two of my favorite winters from my youth 1959-60 and 1968-69 had late heat... 2017 and 1959 were the only two heatwaves I could find at Newark after 9-20. 9-23-17….90° 9-24-17….92° 9-25-17….92° 9-22-59….90° 9-23-59….93° 9-24-59….92° 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 54 minutes ago, bluewave said: Endless summer in September doesn’t mean every day for the rest of the month hits 90° at a place like Newark. Plenty of 80°+ days with the potential for several 90s mixed in. So an extended period when most of the days are above average. Newark daily average high and low 9-13…..79/62 9-20…..76/59 9-27…..73/56 probably high dewpoints/minimums driving the positive departures 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, bluewave said: 2017 and 1959 were the only two heatwaves I could find at Newark after 9-20. 9-23-17….90° 9-24-17….92° 9-25-17….92° 9-22-59….90° 9-23-59….93° 9-24-59….92° 1970 just missed with three out of four...five straight 88 or higher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, bluewave said: 2017 and 1959 were the only two heatwaves I could find at Newark after 9-20. 9-23-17….90° 9-24-17….92° 9-25-17….92° 9-22-59….90° 9-23-59….93° 9-24-59….92° Did we have that in 1983? No one has given me an explanation of how in the world JFK had 5 days of 90+ in September in 1983 when I could not find another September with more than 2. And the entire summer had been hot too. How does 1983 not come up more often as one of the hottest summers of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, forkyfork said: probably high dewpoints/minimums driving the positive departures I need to find a wall to punch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, uncle W said: 1970 just missed with three out of four...five straight 88 or higher... 1983 has to be on this list, it was the Nolan Ryan of summers, it's longevity was simply outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 hours ago, bluewave said: Endless summer in September doesn’t mean every day for the rest of the month hits 90° at a place like Newark. Plenty of 80°+ days with the potential for several 90s mixed in. So an extended period when most of the days are above average. Newark daily average high and low 9-13…..79/62 9-20…..76/59 9-27…..73/56 Yeah but I meant that as a general statement how come we don't get 7+ day heatwaves anymore? Even in our intense bouts of heat I notice they dont last more than 5 days at most. I think July 1993 was the last time we had a string of 7+ 90 degree days? Or maybe it was July 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: 1983 has to be on this list, it was the Nolan Ryan of summers, it's longevity was simply outstanding. you don't have to ask...all that is at your finger tips... they had one from the 18th-21st...it started a few days to soon... not make the cut... IPS-9C06A686-6E3A-43BE-81C4-1A03C8E08817.pdf (noaa.gov) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Much of the region saw cloudy, cool, and sometimes rainy conditions today. With 0.26" of rain, New York City has now picked up 49.44" of rain this year. As a result, there is an implied 86% probability that NYC will see 60" or more precipitation this year for just the 9th time on record. All 8 prior cases have occurred after 1970 and 3 have occurred since 2000. Records go back to 1869. Out West, record heat prevailed in a number of locations. At Phoenix, the temperature soared to 111°. That broke the daily record of 110° that was set in 1974 and tied in 1990. At Boise, the high temperature of 98° smashed the previous record of 95°, which had been set in 1997. At Denver, the temperature rose to 96°, which broke the daily record of 94°. The old record was set in 1931 and tied in 1998 and 1994. Tomorrow will be another very hot day in Denver. The NBE shows a high temperature of 98° with a standard deviation of 2°. That means there is an implied 16% probability that the temperature could reach 100°. The latest 100° reading there was set on September 5, 2020 when the mercury reached 101°. The prior record was 100° on September 2, 2019. A warming trend will likely develop this weekend. Sunday could be unseasonably warm with temperatures rising into the upper 80s as far north as New York City. Despite a cooler than normal first 7-10 days, September will likely feature near normal to somewhat warmer than normal temperatures in much of the region. The second half of the month could feature above to perhaps much above normal temperatures. As a result, 2021 is increasingly likely to become the 6th out of the last 7 years during which September has had a mean temperature of 70° or above in New York City. Prior to 2000, New York City saw such warmth on average once every five years. In short, September has become more an extension of summer than a gateway to autumn in the New York City area. Fall 2021 will likely be wetter to much wetter than normal in the northern Middle Atlantic region. Since 1869, there have been 9 August cases where New York City picked up 20.00" or more rainfall during the summer. Two thirds of those cases (and 4/5 of those with summer mean temperatures of 73.0° or above) had 17.00" or more fall precipitation in New York City. 2011 is probably the closest match in terms of precipitation and a nearly identical summer mean temperature. Mean fall precipitation for those 9 cases was 14.86". The median was 17.35". The 1991-2020 normal value is 12.27". The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.2°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.3°C for the week centered around September 1. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.22°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.43°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely prevail through September. Afterward, La Niña conditions could begin to develop. The SOI was +7.67 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was -0.538 today. On September 7 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.306 (RMM). The September 6-adjusted amplitude was 1.100 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 68% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal September (1991-2020 normal). September will likely finish with a mean temperature near 70.3° (1.1° above normal). 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, uncle W said: you don't have to ask...all that is at your finger tips... they had one from the 18th-21st...it started a few days to soon... not make the cut... IPS-9C06A686-6E3A-43BE-81C4-1A03C8E08817.pdf (noaa.gov) Oh wow was that September the latest record of a 95+ temp? I know they almost hit 100 on 9/11/83, that had to be the latest it ever hit 99, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said: Much of the region saw cloudy, cool, and sometimes rainy conditions today. With 0.26" of rain, New York City has now picked up 49.44" of rain this year. As a result, there is an implied 86% probability that NYC will see 60" or more precipitation this year for just the 9th time on record. All 8 prior cases have occurred after 1970 and 3 have occurred since 2000. Records go back to 1869. Out West, record heat prevailed in a number of locations. At Phoenix, the temperature soared to 111°. That broke the daily record of 110° that was set in 1974 and tied in 1990. At Boise, the high temperature of 98° smashed the previous record of 95°, which had been set in 1997. At Denver, the temperature rose to 96°, which broke the daily record of 94°. The old record was set in 1931 and tied in 1998 and 1994. Tomorrow will be another very hot day in Denver. The NBE shows a high temperature of 98° with a standard deviation of 2°. That means there is an implied 16% probability that the temperature could reach 100°. The latest 100° reading there was set on September 5, 2020 when the mercury reached 101°. The prior record was 100° on September 2, 2019. A warming trend will likely develop this weekend. Sunday could be unseasonably warm with temperatures rising into the upper 80s as far north as New York City. Despite a cooler than normal first 7-10 days, September will likely feature near normal to somewhat warmer than normal temperatures in much of the region. The second half of the month could feature above to perhaps much above normal temperatures. As a result, 2021 is increasingly likely to become the 6th out of the last 7 years during which September has had a mean temperature of 70° or above in New York City. Prior to 2000, New York City saw such warmth on average once every five years. In short, September has become more an extension of summer than a gateway to autumn in the New York City area. Fall 2021 will likely be wetter to much wetter than normal in the northern Middle Atlantic region. Since 1869, there have been 9 August cases where New York City picked up 20.00" or more rainfall during the summer. Two thirds of those cases (and 4/5 of those with summer mean temperatures of 73.0° or above) had 17.00" or more fall precipitation in New York City. 2011 is probably the closest match in terms of precipitation and a nearly identical summer mean temperature. Mean fall precipitation for those 9 cases was 14.86". The median was 17.35". The 1991-2020 normal value is 12.27". The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.2°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.3°C for the week centered around September 1. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.22°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.43°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely prevail through September. Afterward, La Niña conditions could begin to develop. The SOI was +7.67 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was -0.538 today. On September 7 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.306 (RMM). The September 6-adjusted amplitude was 1.100 (RMM). Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 68% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal September (1991-2020 normal). September will likely finish with a mean temperature near 70.3° (1.1° above normal). Don didn't Denver have a snowfall a few days after it hit 100 there back in September 2020? I remember that..... Also did either they or Boise set their new record for most 100 degree days in a season this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Did we have that in 1983? No one has given me an explanation of how in the world JFK had 5 days of 90+ in September in 1983 when I could not find another September with more than 2. And the entire summer had been hot too. How does 1983 not come up more often as one of the hottest summers of all time? xmACIS2 (rcc-acis.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Oh wow was that September the latest record of a 95+ temp? I know they almost hit 100 on 9/11/83, that had to be the latest it ever hit 99, no? JFK highest temps... 9/1 92 in 2012 92 in 2010 91 in 1969+ 9/2 93 in 1973 93 in 1961 93 in 1953 9/3 93 in 2015 93 in 1993 92 in 1957 9/4 93 in 2018 93 in 1985 92 in 1961 9/5 94 in 1961 92 in 1985 92 in 1964 9/6 92 in 1985 90 in 1998 90 in 1983+ 9/7 93 in 1983 92 in 1978 89 in 1998 9/8 92 in 2010 91 in 2015 87 in 2013+ 9/9 93 in 1959 91 in 2016 88 in 1964 9/10 98 in 1983 92 in 1989 90 in 1961 9/11 96 in 1983 91 in 1989 89 in 1961 9/12 91 in 1981 90 in 2005 90 in 1952 9/13 94 in 1952 89 in 1994 89 in 1957 9/14 89 in 1995 89 in 1972 88 in 1981+ 9/15 85 in 2008 82 in 2009 82 in 1997+ 9/16 89 in 1991 88 in 1998 88 in 1970 9/17 90 in 1991 84 in 2015 84 in 1969 9/18 90 in 1965 86 in 1964 86 in 1948 9/19 90 in 1983 85 in 1985 85 in 1963 9/20 85 in 1997 85 in 1983 83 in 1955 9/21 85 in 2016 83 in 2004 83 in 1989 9/22 91 in 1980 87 in 1961 86 in 1970 9/23 90 in 1970 89 in 1961 88 in 2017+ 9/24 92 in 2017 88 in 1970 86 in 1961 9/25 87 in 2010 85 in 2017 83 in 2011 9/26 87 in 1970 85 in 1958 82 in 1968 9/27 89 in 1998 87 in 2017 84 in 2014+ 9/28 82 in 1948 81 in 1961 81 in 1959+ 9/29 82 in 1948 81 in 2019 81 in 1959 9/30 84 in 1986 82 in 1959 80 in 1971+ 10/1 85 in 1986 84 in 1954 84 in 1950 10/2 95 in 2019 85 in 2013 82 in 2002+ 10/3 84 in 2002 82 in 2000 81 in 1969 10/4 84 in 1967 83 in 1959 83 in 1954 10/5 84 in 1967 83 in 2017 83 in 2002+ 10/6 88 in 1997 85 in 1995 83 in 1959 10/7 83 in 2007 83 in 1961 82 in 1997 10/8 90 in 2007 78 in 1959 76 in 2011 10/9 87 in 2011 82 in 1961 82 in 1959 10/10 86 in 1997 84 in 2017 84 in 2011 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Don didn't Denver have a snowfall a few days after it hit 100 there back in September 2020? I remember that..... Also did either they or Boise set their new record for most 100 degree days in a season this year? Boise is 2nd and Denver is 3rd. Bismarck, Fresno, and Seattle set new records for 100 degree days. Portland (OR) and Salt Lake City tied the record for 100 degree days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 minute ago, donsutherland1 said: Boise is 2nd and Denver is 3rd. Bismarck, Fresno, and Seattle set new records for 100 degree days. Portland (OR) and Salt Lake City tied the record for 100 degree days. is Boise really close to first though? I know they were just a couple days away from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, uncle W said: JFK highest temps... 9/1 92 in 2012 92 in 2010 91 in 1969+ 9/2 93 in 1973 93 in 1961 93 in 1953 9/3 93 in 2015 93 in 1993 92 in 1957 9/4 93 in 2018 93 in 1985 92 in 1961 9/5 94 in 1961 92 in 1985 92 in 1964 9/6 92 in 1985 90 in 1998 90 in 1983+ 9/7 93 in 1983 92 in 1978 89 in 1998 9/8 92 in 2010 91 in 2015 87 in 2013+ 9/9 93 in 1959 91 in 2016 88 in 1964 9/10 98 in 1983 92 in 1989 90 in 1961 9/11 96 in 1983 91 in 1989 89 in 1961 9/12 91 in 1981 90 in 2005 90 in 1952 9/13 94 in 1952 89 in 1994 89 in 1957 9/14 89 in 1995 89 in 1972 88 in 1981+ 9/15 85 in 2008 82 in 2009 82 in 1997+ 9/16 89 in 1991 88 in 1998 88 in 1970 9/17 90 in 1991 84 in 2015 84 in 1969 9/18 90 in 1965 86 in 1964 86 in 1948 9/19 90 in 1983 85 in 1985 85 in 1963 9/20 85 in 1997 85 in 1983 83 in 1955 9/21 85 in 2016 83 in 2004 83 in 1989 9/22 91 in 1980 87 in 1961 86 in 1970 9/23 90 in 1970 89 in 1961 88 in 2017+ 9/24 92 in 2017 88 in 1970 86 in 1961 9/25 87 in 2010 85 in 2017 83 in 2011 9/26 87 in 1970 85 in 1958 82 in 1968 9/27 89 in 1998 87 in 2017 84 in 2014+ 9/28 82 in 1948 81 in 1961 81 in 1959+ 9/29 82 in 1948 81 in 2019 81 in 1959 9/30 84 in 1986 82 in 1959 80 in 1971+ 10/1 85 in 1986 84 in 1954 84 in 1950 10/2 95 in 2019 85 in 2013 82 in 2002+ 10/3 84 in 2002 82 in 2000 81 in 1969 10/4 84 in 1967 83 in 1959 83 in 1954 10/5 84 in 1967 83 in 2017 83 in 2002+ 10/6 88 in 1997 85 in 1995 83 in 1959 10/7 83 in 2007 83 in 1961 82 in 1997 10/8 90 in 2007 78 in 1959 76 in 2011 10/9 87 in 2011 82 in 1961 82 in 1959 10/10 86 in 1997 84 in 2017 84 in 2011 wow October 2019 blows everything else away for latest 90+ But 1983 hit 98 there in September 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: is Boise really close to first though? I know they were just a couple days away from it Boise has 18 days. The record is 20 days. That record was set in 2003. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Picked up 0.44" of rain for the day yesterday. Current temp 61/DP 57/RH 88% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 The next 8 days are averaging 75degs.(68/82), or +5. Month to date is 71.3[-1.4]. Could be 73.0[+1.6] by the 18th. 75 to 78 today, breezy from nw, few clouds. 65*(80%RH) here at 6am, m. clear. 64* at 7am. 69* by Noon. Reached 76* at 5:30pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Clearing out and looking dry through Thursday (9/15). Just terrific weather today and tomorrow highs near 80 and low humidity. By Sun (9/12) through much of the next work wek warmer times coincide with ridging along the east coast and what played very similarly as the late july cool down / near or below normal week transitioning to a another sustained warm period is likely happening here for the next few weeks. Mon (9/13) - Wed (9/15) warm spots with 90s possible or likely as 850 temps get >16c. Some storms/showers Thu (9/16) and late next week may limit warmth before the ridge builds back next weekend 9/17 - 18 and beyond with overall warmer than normal into the second half/late month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Morning thoughts… Today will be mostly sunny and comfortably warm. High temperatures will likely reach the middle and upper 70s in most of the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include: New York City (Central Park): 76° Newark: 79° Philadelphia: 77° Normals: New York City: 30-Year: 78.4°; 15-Year: 78.8° Newark: 30-Year: 79.8°; 15-Year: 80.3° Philadelphia: 30-Year: 81.0°; 15-Year: 81.3° Sunday and Monday will be very warm days. Out West, Denver will likely smash its daily record high temperature of 93°, which was set in 1931 and tied in 1974, 1994, 1998, and 2018. There is an implied 16% probability that Denver could reach 100°. If so, that would be the latest such temperature on record. The record was set just last year on September 5. Prior to that, the record was September 2, 2019. Prior to the 2010s, the record was set on August 16, 2002. Prior to the 2000s, the record was set on August 14, 1962. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said: Morning thoughts… Today will be mostly sunny and comfortably warm. High temperatures will likely reach the middle and upper 70s in most of the region. Likely high temperatures around the region include: New York City (Central Park): 76° Newark: 79° Philadelphia: 77° Normals: New York City: 30-Year: 78.4°; 15-Year: 78.8° Newark: 30-Year: 79.8°; 15-Year: 80.3° Philadelphia: 30-Year: 81.0°; 15-Year: 81.3° Sunday and Monday will be very warm days. Out West, Denver will likely smash its daily record high temperature of 93°, which was set in 1931 and tied in 1974, 1994, 1998, and 2018. There is an implied 16% probability that Denver could reach 100°. If so, that would be the latest such temperature on record. The record was set just last year on September 5. Prior to that, the record was September 2, 2019. Prior to the 2010s, the record was set on August 16, 2002. Prior to the 2000s, the record was set on August 14, 1962. Good morning Don and quite sobering. The next best seller at Penn State may possibly be ‘the statistics of atmospheric extremes’. As always …. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bluewave Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 It’s no surprise that September and October have the fastest rising fall temperatures around the region. The figures below are the increase in monthly average temperatures for the new 30 year climate normals from 1981-2010 to 1991-2020. The slower rising November temperatures explain how we were able to get record November snows in recent years. EWR Sep….+1.0 Oct...+0.9 Nov…+0.2 NYC +1.2 +1.0 +0.3 LGA +1.7 +1.5 +0.8 JFK +0.3 +0.2 -0.7 ISP +1.3 +1.4 +0.5 HPN +1.6 +1.6 +0.5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, rclab said: Good morning Don and quite sobering. The next best seller at Penn State may possibly be ‘the statistics of atmospheric extremes’. As always …. And frequent revisions will very likely be needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 4 hours ago, bluewave said: It’s no surprise that September and October have the fastest rising fall temperatures around the region. The figures below are the increase in monthly average temperatures for the new 30 year climate normals from 1981-2010 to 1991-2020. The slower rising November temperatures explain how we were able to get record November snows in recent years. true west of us as well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 8 hours ago, SACRUS said: Clearing out and looking dry through Thursday (9/15). Just terrific weather today and tomorrow highs near 80 and low humidity. By Sun (9/12) through much of the next work wek warmer times coincide with ridging along the east coast and what played very similarly as the late july cool down / near or below normal week transitioning to a another sustained warm period is likely happening here for the next few weeks. Mon (9/13) - Wed (9/15) warm spots with 90s possible or likely as 850 temps get >16c. Some storms/showers Thu (9/16) and late next week may limit warmth before the ridge builds back next weekend 9/17 - 18 and beyond with overall warmer than normal into the second half/late month. for some odd reason Lee Goldberg just made a sort of prediction 7 days out that next Friday a tropical system may be along the east coast and be bringing us rain. Really shocked that he would do that a week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 6 hours ago, bluewave said: It’s no surprise that September and October have the fastest rising fall temperatures around the region. The figures below are the increase in monthly average temperatures for the new 30 year climate normals from 1981-2010 to 1991-2020. The slower rising November temperatures explain how we were able to get record November snows in recent years. EWR Sep….+1.0 Oct...+0.9 Nov…+0.2 NYC +1.2 +1.0 +0.3 LGA +1.7 +1.5 +0.8 JFK +0.3 +0.2 -0.7 ISP +1.3 +1.4 +0.5 HPN +1.6 +1.6 +0.5 Surprised it's September and October, I thought it would be December with how warm recent Decembers have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, forkyfork said: true west of us as well What they have to point out is September actually IS summer- most of it anyway. Fall doesn't start until after three weeks of September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 FYI, the smoke will be returning. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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