jm1220 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 And for the Sandy/1938/Carol etc thoughts, the pre-Sandy ones likely had big helps from the mid-latitude jet accelerating them and adding energy. Donna I can't say but likely the same story. Sandy essentially became the Perfect Storm 1991 literally doubled due to Sandy's own intensity, huge size, the trough phasing in and blocking high which drove it NW. This is nothing like that. Not to say this won't have significant impact somewhere but I think it's mostly rain related and over CT or 50 miles or so W and SW of where it tracks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Nam came back west and so far the Icon is coming west again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Strengthening now beginning TCDAT3 Tropical Storm Henri Discussion Number 22 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082021 500 AM EDT Sat Aug 21 2021 An earlier GMI satellite microwave image continued to indicate that Henri's low-level center was still located near the northwestern edge of the convective canopy. However, more recent geostationary satellite imagery shows that the convection is beginning to wrap around the northeastern and eastern portions of the circulation suggesting that the anticipated decrease in shear is occuring, and that Henri may be on the verge of strengthening. The latest subjective satellite intensity estimates from SAB and TAFB remained unchanged so the initial intensity remains 60 kt, in agreement with those estimates and the earlier aircraft data. The next reconnaissance aircraft mission should be in the storm around 1200 UTC this morning. Henri is moving north-northeastward or 015/10 kt. A mid- to upper-level low and associated trough over the Appalachians and Ohio Valley should steer Henri north-northeastward at a faster forward speed today. As Henri moves around the eastern portion of the upper-low, the storm is forecast to turn north-northwestward tonight. This motion will bring the center of Henri near or over portions of Long Island and Southern New England on Sunday and into the northeastern United States Sunday night. After that time, the cyclone should turn east-northeastward as it becomes caught in the mid-latitude westerlies. The latest dynamical model envelope continues to narrow for the first 24 to 36 hours of the forecast period and only small adjustments were needed to that portion of the track. After that time, the guidance has trended to taking Henri farther inland over the Northeastern United States, and the NHC forecast as been modified accordingly. Decreasing shear, upper-level divergence associated with the trough to Henri's west, and warm SSTs should allow the cyclone to strengthen during the next 12-18 hours. Although not explicitly shown in the intensity forecast, Henri could still peak around 75 kt later today or this evening. After that time, cooler waters are likely to cause a gradual reduction in intensity, however, Henri is forecast to be at or near hurricane strength at landfall. Once the center moves inland over the Northeast United States, a faster rate of filling is anticipated. The system is forecast to become post-tropical in about 60 hours, and it will likely dissipate around day 4, if not a little sooner. The updated intensity forecast is near the upper-end of the intensity guidance during the first 12-24 hours, and is close to the Decay-SHIPS model thereafter. Users are reminded to not focus on the exact forecast of the center of Henri since impacts will extend far from the center. Key Messages: 1. Dangerous storm surge inundation is expected to begin late tonight or Sunday in portions of Long Island, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and southeastern Massachusetts, where a Storm Surge Warning has been issued. Dangerous storm surge is possible beginning late tonight or Sunday in western portions of Long Island and Connecticut in the Storm Surge Watch area. Residents in these areas should follow any advice given by local officials. 2. Hurricane conditions are expected to begin late tonight or Sunday in portions of Long Island and Connecticut, where a Hurricane Warning has been issued. Hurricane conditions are possible late tonight or Sunday across portions of Rhode Island. 3. Heavy rainfall may lead to considerable flash, urban, and small stream flooding, along with the potential for widespread minor and isolated moderate river flooding, over portions of Long Island, New England, southeast New York and northern New Jersey. 4. Swells from Henri will continue to affect much of the east coast of the U.S. through the weekend. These swells could cause life-threatening surf and rip currents. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 21/0900Z 33.1N 73.2W 60 KT 70 MPH 12H 21/1800Z 35.6N 72.3W 70 KT 80 MPH 24H 22/0600Z 38.8N 72.0W 70 KT 80 MPH 36H 22/1800Z 40.9N 72.7W 60 KT 70 MPH...INLAND 48H 23/0600Z 42.1N 73.6W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND 60H 23/1800Z 42.8N 73.3W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND 72H 24/0600Z 43.3N 71.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/INLAND 96H 25/0600Z 44.5N 62.5W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROPICAL 120H 26/0600Z...DISSIPATED $$ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 looks like a hot mess this AM However, more recent geostationary satellite imagery shows that the convection is *beginning* to wrap around the northeastern and eastern portions of the circulation suggesting that the anticipated decrease in shear is occuring, and that Henri *may* be on the verge of strengthening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Yeah let me get in before the flood of storm cancel posts that we know are coming... IR can be deceiving, as I hope we've all seen the last few days. Despite what you think you see on first glance this morning on visible and IR, under the hood microwave imagery shows a more organized storm, with much less tilt and another attempt to form an inner core. Henri has been trying to do this the entire time, but the difference now is that with lessening shear, the attempt is more likely (though not guaranteed) to be successful. Yesterday This morning it's still very fragile just based on this imagery. You don't see the deepest convection fully wrapped around and until that happens this attempt at organization could all still collapse, but it looks ok at the moment. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderBeard Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Little wobble east, GFS makes landfall over Narragansett Bay on 6z vs. New London area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 First recon flight of the day descending into the storm now. I'm watching 1) has the tilt been eliminated 2) has the wind field contracted and organized into an inner core and 3) are the FL winds that were impressive last night starting to translate to the surface as a result. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderBeard Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: First recon flight of the day descending into the storm now. I'm watching 1) has the tilt been eliminated 2) has the wind field contracted and organized into an inner core and 3) are the FL winds that were impressive last night starting to translate to the surface as a result. Any good links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Just now, PowderBeard said: Any good links? I use two sites. Look for Mission #9 as that's the one in the storm now. https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/recon/#NOAA2-0908A-HENRI (for recon location imagery and graphics) http://tropicalatlantic.com/recon/recon.cgi (for detailed text data) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Recon finds extrapolated pressure of 992.4mb from ~10k ft flight height. Dropsonde would confirm surface pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Lol at the 0z NAVGEM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkO Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Also lol'd at the NAVGEM. Just checked it for shit's and giggles. Still, lot more model spread this AM between the two camps. NAM taking it just northeast of NYC and GFS is almost into Newport, RI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, MarkO said: Also lol'd at the NAVGEM. Just checked it for shit's and giggles. Still, lot more model spread this AM between the two camps. NAM taking it just northeast of NYC and GFS is almost into Newport, RI. RGEM is east as well. I think the Euro tickles a bit more east and this ends up a BID landfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Didn't see 00z euro ensembles posted. Personally IMHO,after absorbing models for 2 days, thinking LF very near CT, RI border with this when all is said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 This is really where recon earns their keep. IR and microwave can only tell us so much. It's the real time observations from recon that can tell us what's really happening. Really interested to see how much tilt there still is and whether the features we see are working their way down to the surface. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 The model spread seems like it has increased overnight. Definitely an east trend but you still have guidance over central/western LI but now instead of BID being near the eastern envelope, some other eastward guidance is near UUU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said: The model spread seems like it has increased overnight. Definitely an east trend but you still have guidance over central/western LI but now instead of BID being near the eastern envelope, some other eastward guidance is near UUU. Give me UUU----having spent too much time following this, I hopeI can at least score some good rains . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: This is really where recon earns their keep. IR and microwave can only tell us so much. It's the real time observations from recon that can tell us what's really happening. Really interested to see how much tilt there still is and whether the features we see are working their way down to the surface. This doesn't get said enough: thank you for all your input here. 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxFreak11 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hoth said: This doesn't get said enough: thank you for all your input here. Yes! Although I don’t post often I recognize the dedication he has shown to this forum . Kudos. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Hoth said: This doesn't get said enough: thank you for all your input here. Still looking like your rocks will get covered? I feel your pain because our beach was covered with rocks for two years after the March 2018 nor’easters. Those rocks finally got covered up this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 The second low level recon plane is now descending into Henri. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Just now, Hoth said: Fingers crossed! Sandy brought in a great beach for a couple years (and occasional topless sunbathers with it), so I'm hoping a storm with a similar westward tug can do the job as well. Now I'm going to go do a bunch of hail Marys before the Pope excommunicates me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXWX Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Interesting to note that while there are some hints of an eastward trend, a loop of the Northeast radar composite nicely shows showers across central & western NY heading west/northwest; strongly implying the modeled tug or bend back to the northwest as Henri is likely as it approaches LI. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 It looks like a kidney bean on satellite. It’s going to need a boost today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 We have the center dropsonde from the early recon flight (Mission 9). Pressure looks more or less steady from last night, maybe a few mb lower given the wind at the surface. That flight is now heading for a NW to SE pass. Product: NOAA Temp Drop (Dropsonde) Message (UZNT13 KWBC)Transmitted: 21st day of the month at 10:29ZAgency: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)Aircraft: Lockheed WP-3D Orion (Reg. Num. N42RF)Storm Name: HenriStorm Number: 08 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)Mission Number: 9Observation Number: 03 ( See all messages of this type for this mission. )Part A... Date: Near the closest hour of 10Z on the 21st day of the monthHighest Mandatory Level For Which Wind Was Reported: 700mbCoordinates: 33.3N 72.7WLocation: 211 statute miles (339 km) to the SE (130°) from Cape Hatteras, NC, USA.Marsden Square: 116 ( About ) Surface and Standard Isobaric Surfaces Level Geo. Height Air Temp. Dew Point Wind Direction Wind Speed 1000mb -37m (-121 ft) This level does not exist in this area of the storm above the surface level. 996mb (29.42 inHg) Surface (Sea Level) 27.4°C (81.3°F) 25.7°C (78°F) 230° (from the SW) 31 knots (36 mph) 925mb 652m (2,139 ft) 24.0°C (75.2°F) 21.6°C (71°F) 225° (from the SW) 19 knots (22 mph) 850mb 1,391m (4,564 ft) 19.8°C (67.6°F) 18.4°C (65°F) 285° (from the WNW) 15 knots (17 mph) 700mb 3,053m (10,016 ft) 14.0°C (57.2°F) About 8°C (46°F) 65° (from the ENE) 8 knots (9 mph) Information About Radiosonde:- Launch Time: 10:06Z- About Sonde: A descending radiosonde tracked automatically by satellite navigation with no solar or infrared correction.Remarks Section... Dropsonde Location: Dropped in center.Highest altitude where wind was reported:- Location: 33.26N 72.72W- Time: 10:06:33ZLowest altitude where wind was reported:- Location: 33.26N 72.70W- Time: 10:11:11ZMean Boundary Level Wind (mean wind in the lowest 500 geopotential meters of the sounding):- Wind Direction: 230° (from the SW)- Wind Speed: 32 knots (37 mph)Deep Layer Mean Wind (average wind over the depth of the sounding):- Wind Direction: 255° (from the WSW)- Wind Speed: 14 knots (16 mph)- Depth of Sounding: From 695mb to 995mbAverage Wind Over Lowest Available 150 geopotential meters (gpm) of the sounding:- Lowest 150m: 155 gpm - 5 gpm (509 geo. feet - 16 geo. feet)- Wind Direction: 230° (from the SW)- Wind Speed: 31 knots (36 mph)Sounding Software Version: AEV 30406 Part B: Data for Significant Levels... Significant Temperature And Relative Humidity Levels Level Air Temperature Dew Point 996mb (Surface) 27.4°C (81.3°F) 25.7°C (78°F) 949mb 24.2°C (75.6°F) 23.1°C (74°F) 917mb 24.4°C (75.9°F) 20.8°C (69°F) 850mb 19.8°C (67.6°F) 18.4°C (65°F) 773mb 15.8°C (60.4°F) 14.8°C (59°F) 750mb 17.2°C (63.0°F) About 11°C (52°F) 695mb 13.2°C (55.8°F) About 8°C (46°F) Significant Wind Levels Level Wind Direction Wind Speed 996mb (Surface) 230° (from the SW) 31 knots (36 mph) 953mb 230° (from the SW) 32 knots (37 mph) 943mb 235° (from the SW) 28 knots (32 mph) 931mb 225° (from the SW) 17 knots (20 mph) 892mb 250° (from the WSW) 18 knots (21 mph) 865mb 265° (from the W) 13 knots (15 mph) 850mb 285° (from the WNW) 15 knots (17 mph) 799mb 285° (from the WNW) 24 knots (28 mph) 787mb 275° (from the W) 15 knots (17 mph) 779mb 285° (from the WNW) 10 knots (12 mph) 763mb 265° (from the W) 4 knots (5 mph) 695mb 65° (from the ENE) 8 knots (9 mph) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hoth said: As you talk about tugs and topless on your beach, I think Bob Kraft is packing his cooler. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 I like the NHC’s track. Risk vs guidance is still skewed west—the recent trends East have been due to much less (minimal) phasing with the UL trough, and not less ridging to the east. The former is a much more uncertain —error prone—aspect of the forecast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, jbenedet said: I like the NHC’s track. Risk vs guidance is still skewed west—the recent trends East have been due to much less phasing with the UL trough, and not less ridging to the east. I still find it hard to believe in 2021 models could be that far off with the track this close in. Their cone seems somewhat absurd to me at 2pm tomorrow of NYC or Cape Cod. It’s probably 98% it ends up within 10-20 miles of their current position forecast at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Mostly a non event up here. 1"rn, 30kts.Sent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 It's funny to think that this will be Henri's second visit to the region, the first being as a weak disturbance with thunderstorms nine days ago. Pretty novel evolution really. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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