40/70 Benchmark Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, WxWatcher007 said: Trend west continues from what I've seen so far this morning. Definitely become less of a long shot and more of a legitimate threat to the northeast given the 500mb look. A long way to go though. I think what I struggle with even more than a potential landfall is a particularly intense landfall considering the slow forward motion relative to climo....talk about needing the thread a needle for a land falling cane in the NE, but I guess that is always the case. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olafminesaw Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I think what I struggle with even more than a potential landfall is a particularly intense landfall considering the slow forward motion relative to climo....talk about needing the thread a needle for a land falling cane in the NE, but I guess that is always the case. Quite warm SSTs. Also at the time of year when water temp is warmest. I also feel like climo favors later in the year with more of a subtropical transition. I still think a direct impact is less than 20% right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 pulling 4 u guys in the northeast 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Quite warm SSTs. Also at the time of year when water temp is warmest. I also feel like climo favors later in the year with more of a subtropical transition. I still think a direct impact is less than 20% right nowThat's an anomaly map though. Yes, SSTs off the New England and Mid-Atlantic coasts are running above climatological mean. However, that doesn't mean they're warm enough to sustain a slow moving Tropical Cyclone. There is a reason notorious New England strikes are generally associated with mid-to-upper trough interactions, phases and swift motion. They're carrying convective momentum and some baroclinic assistance while traversing that cold current. A hurricane strike for New England, even a strong one is quite possible, but we need the right setup scenario to unfold. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WxWatcher007 Posted August 18, 2021 Author Share Posted August 18, 2021 Not much time to post but here’s the latest discussion. Track shifted left again we will have recon going out to sample the environment. That’s huge. Tropical Storm Henri Discussion Number 11 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082021 1100 AM AST Wed Aug 18 2021 Deep convection has been increasing during the past several hours in association with Henri, and the cloud pattern mostly consists of a central dense overcast with some fragmented bands around it. The Dvorak estimates are steady at 3.5/55 kt from TAFB and SAB, and therefore, the initial intensity is held at that value. However, the latest automated Dvorak values from CIMSS at the University of Wisconsin are higher, so it is possible that Henri could be slightly stronger. An SSMIS pass from 1124 UTC showed some southward tilt of the vortex with height and revealed a small mid-level eye feature. Henri continues to move just south of due west at 7 kt. The storm is expected to move westward during the next day or so as it moves in the flow on the south or southeast side of a mid-level ridge. This ridge is expected to slide eastward by Friday as a mid- to upper-level low develops over the Ohio Valley and northeastern U.S. In response, Henri is expected to turn northward or north- northeastward on Friday and continue in that direction through the weekend. One complicating factor is that several of the models show a ridge building over the northwestern Atlantic and Atlantic Canada, which could cause the storm to stay on a more northward track closer to New England than currently forecast. The spread in the models for Henri's future track is quite large, with some guidance as far west as Long Island and as far east as 62W longitude. Overall, the models continue to walk left each cycle, and the NHC track forecast has again been shifted in that direction. NOAA Gulfstream IV missions and special weather balloon soundings have been scheduled, and it is hoped that this additional data will help the models handle the evolving steering pattern. Given the uncertainty in the longer range track forecasts, users should be prepared for additional adjustments to the NHC track forecast in future forecast cycles. The storm is currently in an environment of about 15-20 kt of northerly wind shear according to the SHIPS model and analyses from CIMSS at the University of Wisconsin. Since the shear is expected to persist or become a little stronger during the next couple of days, little change in strength is predicted during that time period. After that time, the shear is expected to lessen and that should allow Henri to strengthen to a hurricane by the weekend. Some weakening is shown by the end of the period when Henri is forecast to be moving over cooler waters. The NHC intensity forecast is largely an update of the previous one and is just a little lower than the consensus aids. Key Messages: 1. Swells from Henri could reach much of the east coast of the U.S. and Atlantic Canada by the end of the week and continue through the weekend. These swells could cause life-threatening surf and rip currents. 2. Uncertainty in the track forecast for Henri this weekend and early next week is larger than usual, and there is some risk of direct impacts from Henri in portions of the northeastern U.S. and Atlantic Canada during that time. Interests in these areas should follow updates to the forecast through the next several days. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 18/1500Z 30.0N 66.6W 55 KT 65 MPH 12H 19/0000Z 29.9N 67.9W 60 KT 70 MPH 24H 19/1200Z 29.8N 69.8W 60 KT 70 MPH 36H 20/0000Z 30.1N 71.4W 60 KT 70 MPH 48H 20/1200Z 30.7N 72.4W 60 KT 70 MPH 60H 21/0000Z 32.1N 72.5W 65 KT 75 MPH 72H 21/1200Z 34.2N 71.5W 75 KT 85 MPH 96H 22/1200Z 38.0N 69.6W 75 KT 85 MPH 120H 23/1200Z 41.0N 67.0W 65 KT 75 MPH $$ Forecaster Cangialosi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BYG Jacob Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Ridiculous eyewall convection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Good thing we'll have recon. Despite the moderate shear values, Henri appears to be intensifying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olafminesaw Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Windspeed said: That's an anomaly map though. Yes, SSTs off the New England and Mid-Atlantic coasts are running above climatological mean. However, that doesn't mean they're warm enough to sustain a slow moving Tropical Cyclone. There is a reason notorious New England strikes are generally associated with mid-to-upper trough interactions, phases and swift motion. They're carrying convective momentum and some baroclinic assistance while traversing that cold current. A hurricane strike for New England, even a strong one is quite possible, but we need the right setup scenario to unfold. Good point, although you can see how even at slow speeds, it will traverse cooler water relatively quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wannabehippie Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Just now, Wannabehippie said: Henri trying to clear out an eye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Eric seems pretty convinced. Idk. The pattern is not crazy anomalous and the storm is so far east initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Oh lawd the GFS. I know it's an OP run, etc. But holy lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 The latest GFS does bend Henri back into the NYC area, but during its last day over water it is rapidly weakening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Windspeed said: Ha...so Henri VIII (named storm) threatens New England? Haha... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said: Oh lawd the GFS. I know it's an OP run, etc. But holy lol. 2 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dan11295 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I'm selling anything stalling a storm out at close to our latitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezeta Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Hopefully the extreme damage can be limited to the hamptons 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newman Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormfly Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Frankenstorm II??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 12Z UKMET: Nantucket to Cape Cod most threatened TROPICAL STORM HENRI ANALYSED POSITION : 29.9N 66.1W ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL082021 LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS) -------------- ---- -------- ------------- ------------- 1200UTC 18.08.2021 0 29.9N 66.1W 1004 40 0000UTC 19.08.2021 12 29.7N 68.4W 999 51 1200UTC 19.08.2021 24 29.5N 70.6W 987 61 0000UTC 20.08.2021 36 29.5N 72.5W 983 63 1200UTC 20.08.2021 48 30.0N 73.9W 981 65 0000UTC 21.08.2021 60 31.3N 74.3W 976 68 1200UTC 21.08.2021 72 33.7N 73.2W 961 85 0000UTC 22.08.2021 84 37.4N 71.3W 960 81 1200UTC 22.08.2021 96 41.1N 70.2W 962 79 near Nantucket 0000UTC 23.08.2021 108 42.4N 69.9W 986 46 near Cape Cod 1200UTC 23.08.2021 120 43.0N 68.0W 996 35 0000UTC 24.08.2021 132 43.4N 65.5W 1003 27 1200UTC 24.08.2021 144 44.2N 62.5W 1005 25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Seems like an eye starting to poke out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BYG Jacob Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Obvious hurricane is obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooralph Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, WeatherAU said: GEFS are like 50/50 chances NW vs. OTS. GEFS are terrible for NYC Metro... Want to TRACK NW AND SUPPORT THE OPERATIONAL I do not think it is a weak TC... you have to define "terrible" on this board. Has dual meanings. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 As OSU pointed out, this thing is already pretty far east. Much will depend on how Henri gets through the next 24-48hr. Shear peaks in the ~36hr timeframe at around 25kt (from 16 now). That's probably not enough to decouple it completely, but depending on how convective trends end up, we could see some further southwesterly adjustments -- albeit the ensemble spread suggests not as much as we've had over the past day or two. The airmass getting entrained via shear isn't particularly dry during max shear either, so I'm leaning stronger than I would normally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnavywx Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Regardless of track, if this thing does hit NE, it won't be trucking along. The trough is weak and trapped underneath a ridge. It'll be over cold water for a while, which caps LF strength. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherAU Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Perfect Circle! RED AMPED VORT - Henri TC A bit of thread the needle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 On tropical tidbits, am I missing something, or is the 12z Euro just shearing Henri apart by HR72 apart to nothing and kicking it well out to sea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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