WxWatcher007 Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Not expecting a ton but this one has flown under the radar. Advisories likely by 11pm. Tropical Weather Outlook NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL 800 PM EDT Sun Aug 15 2021 For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico: The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Tropical Storm Fred, located over the east-central Gulf of Mexico, and on Tropical Depression Grace, located about 100 miles south-southeast of the Dominican Republic. 1. Satellite imagery and radar data from Bermuda indicate that showers and thunderstorms associated with a small but well-defined area of low pressure located northeast of Bermuda have continued to become better organized during the past few hours. If this trend continues, advisories will likely be initiated on a new tropical depression later tonight. The system is forecast to move slowly toward the south or southwest during the next day or so, and then turn westward on Tuesday, passing near or just east and south of Bermuda. Interests in Bermuda should monitor the progress of this system, and a Tropical Storm Watch could be required for that island tonight. * Formation chance through 48 hours...high...90 percent. * Formation chance through 5 days...high...90 percent. Forecaster Zelinsky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Here's the end of the 18Z Euro. It would likely recurve rather sharply soon after because the 500 mb ridge is then weakening rapidly and prior Euro runs did recurve it then. However, this run is the strongest yet and it is the furthest west. So, even though odds per current models strongly favor a safe recurve, the more important thing here to note may be the Euro trend. Also, how does Grace affect the steering, a possible fly in the ointment? Also, let's see what the 18Z Euro ens members do. The 0Z and 6Z both had a handful of E coast threats (5-10% of the members). Then the 12Z pretty much backed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 The 18Z Euro ens goes back to having a few US threats from 96L, similar to the 0Z and 6Z, with 3 members showing a TS+ moving toward the SE US at the end of the run though keep in mind that's only 6% of the members thus making them outliers: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Now have TD 8, NHC notes a 65 MPH peak and a low confidence forecast Tropical Depression Eight Discussion Number 1 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082021 1100 PM AST Sun Aug 15 2021 A small well-defined low pressure system located just east-northeast of Bermuda has produced persistent deep convection since this morning. Radar imagery from Bermuda along with geostationary and polar orbiting microwave satellite data show that the convection is sufficiently well organized to meet the definition for a tropical cyclone. Therefore advisories have been started on Tropical Depression Eight. The initial intensity is set at 25 kt, based on believable winds near that value in a pair of recent ASCAT overpasses. Dvorak estimates from TAFB and SAB were a little higher, so this estimate could be slightly conservative. Confidence in the forecast is reasonably high for the next 48 to 72 h. The depression should make a slow clockwise turn around Bermuda, steered by a mid-level ridge currently centered off the coast of the Carolinas. Warm SSTs should provide ample fuel to support at least slight strengthening during this period, despite expected northerly shear, and this is shown by all of the intensity guidance. The NHC forecast is very near the multi-model consensus for both track and intensity through that period. Beyond 72 h, the track and intensity models diverge quickly. The HWRF and COAMPS-TC models rapidly intensify the system to major hurricane strength. A stronger, deeper vortex would likely be steered generally westward through the end of the forecast period, influenced by a deeper-layer steering flow. However, the global models have a much weaker, shallower system which turns northward, and then possibly accelerates northeastward by day 5. As a result, the spread in the track guidance is nearly 800 n mi by day 5, with the GFS and HWRF taking the extreme positions to the northeast and southwest, respectively. The official track forecast takes a middle approach, and is between the various consensus aids at days 4 and 5. The NHC intensity forecast is slightly more conservative, and is below the consensus at the end of the period. Significant changes to the forecast may be required in subsequent advisory packages. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 16/0300Z 33.2N 62.7W 25 KT 30 MPH 12H 16/1200Z 32.4N 62.8W 30 KT 35 MPH 24H 17/0000Z 31.5N 63.3W 35 KT 40 MPH 36H 17/1200Z 31.1N 64.0W 40 KT 45 MPH 48H 18/0000Z 31.0N 64.9W 45 KT 50 MPH 60H 18/1200Z 31.0N 66.1W 50 KT 60 MPH 72H 19/0000Z 31.2N 67.4W 55 KT 65 MPH 96H 20/0000Z 32.0N 68.5W 55 KT 65 MPH 120H 21/0000Z 33.5N 68.0W 55 KT 65 MPH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 @GaWx this one is a little more interesting this morning, right? For now at least? I took a look at the EPS and there were certainly a few interesting members. Looks like most go OTS, but with a stronger system perhaps we get a further west push. NHC has really highlighted how uncertain a forecast this one is at D4 & D5. In fact, looking deeper at the EPS, the ones that do develop TD 8 do make it more of an EC threat. Interesting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Regardless of the direct US landfall threat this will be a prolific swell producer for the east coast. As it’s prime beach season the rip current threat will be real. Offshore hurricanes have killed dozens of people at east coast beaches over the years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: Regardless of the direct US landfall threat this will be a prolific swell producer for the east coast. As it’s prime beach season the rip current threat will be real. Offshore hurricanes have killed dozens of people at east coast beaches over the years. Very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcatz Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Have we had a storm this season where the NHC didn't highlight the uncertainty of the forecast? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 HWRF at 6z Loops and goes back west 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Reilly Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Henri will be very interesting to track the East Coast is pretty open without a strong trough coming in from the west. There is a pretty good blocking area of high pressure off of the New England Coast for days and that would appear to be a key to where Henri goes. Pretty much a east southeasterly flow pointing up along the East Coast this week into the weekend. It's interesting I do remember a few GFS runs last week showing this system making a run to the Carolina coast then blocked up the coast last week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 8 hours ago, WxWatcher007 said: @GaWx this one is a little more interesting this morning, right? For now at least? I took a look at the EPS and there were certainly a few interesting members. Looks like most go OTS, but with a stronger system perhaps we get a further west push. NHC has really highlighted how uncertain a forecast this one is at D4 & D5. In fact, looking deeper at the EPS, the ones that do develop TD 8 do make it more of an EC threat. Interesting. Indeed, the 0Z EPS had some members threatening the E coast as you showed. However, the 12Z was less threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 39 minutes ago, GaWx said: Indeed, the 0Z EPS had some members threatening the E coast as you showed. However, the 12Z was less threatening. Yeah—I think smart money is on out to sea, but still worth a casual eye I suppose since Grace wants to drive toward the equator now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 12Z UKMET: comes slowly west for 3 days and then turns back safely OTS TROPICAL DEPRESSION 08L ANALYSED POSITION : 31.9N 63.0W ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL082021 LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS) -------------- ---- -------- ------------- ------------- 1200UTC 16.08.2021 0 31.9N 63.0W 1013 23 0000UTC 17.08.2021 12 31.0N 63.2W 1012 24 1200UTC 17.08.2021 24 30.7N 63.8W 1012 25 0000UTC 18.08.2021 36 30.7N 65.0W 1012 26 1200UTC 18.08.2021 48 30.7N 66.6W 1014 26 0000UTC 19.08.2021 60 31.1N 68.2W 1014 25 1200UTC 19.08.2021 72 31.1N 69.6W 1013 25 0000UTC 20.08.2021 84 31.7N 70.1W 1011 27 1200UTC 20.08.2021 96 32.9N 69.9W 1010 29 0000UTC 21.08.2021 108 34.4N 68.4W 1009 30 1200UTC 21.08.2021 120 35.6N 65.7W 1010 29 0000UTC 22.08.2021 132 35.9N 62.3W 1010 29 1200UTC 22.08.2021 144 35.0N 59.1W 1010 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 Tropical Storm Henri Discussion Number 4 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082021 500 PM AST Mon Aug 16 2021 Deep convection has persisted near and southeast of the center of the small tropical cyclone today, and subjective Dvorak intensity estimates were a consensus T2.5 (35 kt) at 1800 UTC. Objective estimates from ADT and SATCON also support tropical storm status, therefore the depression has been upgraded to a 35-kt tropical storm with this advisory. Henri (ahn-REE) becomes the eighth named storm of the 2021 Atlantic hurricane season. This is the fourth-earliest eighth storm on record with only 2020, 2005, and 1936 having the eighth-named storm form earlier in the season. Henri is located over warm waters, but is currently being affected by light to moderate northerly shear and dry mid-level air in the surrounding environment. Although these conditions are not overly conducive for strengthening, most of the intensity guidance supports gradual intensification over the next 24 to 48 hours. After that time, a significant increase in northeasterly upper-level winds is depicted by the global models over the system, which is likely to halt further strengthening. In fact, given the small size of Henri, it is likely to be more susceptible to the increase in shear, and it could weaken faster than indicated below. The HWRF remains more aggressive, but given the expected increase in shear, that solution still does not seem likely. The NHC intensity forecast is in best agreement with the LGEM model, and is slightly below the IVCN intensity consensus. The tropical storm is moving south-southwestward or 200/6 kt. Henri is forecast to move west-southwestward during the next 12-24 hours around the southeastern side of a mid-tropospheric high over the western Atlantic. After that time, Henri should turn westward as the ridge shifts eastward to the north of the tropical cyclone, and after 72 hours Henri is expected to approach the western extent of the ridge and should turn northward and then north-northeastward. The dynamical model guidance is in somewhat better agreement during the next 48-72 hours, but there remains some spread later in the period as to how sharp of northward turn occurs. The new NHC track forecast is similar to the previous advisory and lies near the center of the guidance envelope. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 16/2100Z 31.0N 62.9W 35 KT 40 MPH 12H 17/0600Z 30.5N 63.4W 40 KT 45 MPH 24H 17/1800Z 30.3N 64.2W 45 KT 50 MPH 36H 18/0600Z 30.2N 65.4W 50 KT 60 MPH 48H 18/1800Z 30.2N 66.9W 50 KT 60 MPH 60H 19/0600Z 30.3N 68.5W 50 KT 60 MPH 72H 19/1800Z 30.5N 69.9W 45 KT 50 MPH 96H 20/1800Z 31.8N 70.2W 45 KT 50 MPH 120H 21/1800Z 34.2N 68.4W 45 KT 50 MPH $$ Forecaster Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannabehippie Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Definite signs of shear, but also looks like it has good outflow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 I hope the fish don't get too wet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 BULLETIN Tropical Storm Henri Advisory Number 6 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082021 500 AM AST Tue Aug 17 2021 ...HENRI STRENGTHENS A LITTLE MORE AS IT CONTINUES TO MOVE SLOWLY SOUTHWESTWARD... SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION ---------------------------------------------- LOCATION...30.6N 63.7W ABOUT 135 MI...215 KM SSE OF BERMUDA MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...50 MPH...85 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...WSW OR 240 DEGREES AT 5 MPH...7 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1004 MB...29.65 INCHES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Tropical Storm Henri Discussion Number 6 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082021 500 AM AST Tue Aug 17 2021 Earlier this evening Henri was undergoing a sheared bursting pattern, with intermittent deep convection trying to develop near the center, but northwesterly shear would quickly diminish the convective coverage. However, over the past several hours the convection has become more persistent, and covers at least the southeastern portion of the low-level center. As such, the latest subjective Dvorak intensity estimates from TAFB and SAB are now both 3.0 (45 kt), and therefore 45 kt will be the initial advisory intensity. Henri is forecast to remain over warm waters and in an environment of light to moderate northerly shear for the next 24 h, so some strengthening is expected during that time. After 24 h, global models indicate that the shear magnitude will double, which should prevent any further strengthening and possibly weaken the cyclone. The latest NHC intensity forecast was adjusted a little higher than the previous due to both the increase in initial intensity, and slight increase in the model intensity guidance. This forecast closely follows the LGEM solution and is just a little lower than the IVCN consensus. The tropical storm continues to move slowly southwest, or 240/04 kt to the southeast of a mid-level ridge. This ridge is forecast to shift to the east over the next several days, which would result in the tropical storm making a gradual clockwise turn throughout much of the forecast period. Tonight, Henri is forecast to turn westward with a increase in forward motion and pass well south of Bermuda. In a few days, the cyclone should turn to the northwest then north, followed by a turn to the northeast around the western periphery of the ridge. There continues to be some spread in how far west Henri will go before it begins to turn to the north, and the latest guidance has made a slight shift to the left. The official NHC forecast is near the previous one through 48 h, then is a little left of it thereafter, yet still remains to the right of the bulk of the consensus guidance beyond 48 h. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 17/0900Z 30.6N 63.7W 45 KT 50 MPH 12H 17/1800Z 30.4N 64.4W 50 KT 60 MPH 24H 18/0600Z 30.3N 65.7W 55 KT 65 MPH 36H 18/1800Z 30.2N 67.1W 55 KT 65 MPH 48H 19/0600Z 30.3N 68.6W 55 KT 65 MPH 60H 19/1800Z 30.8N 69.8W 55 KT 65 MPH 72H 20/0600Z 31.6N 70.6W 55 KT 65 MPH 96H 21/0600Z 34.0N 69.1W 55 KT 65 MPH 120H 22/0600Z 36.0N 66.0W 55 KT 65 MPH $$ Forecaster Latto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vice-Regent Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 It's not low risk at all. For it to come towards 75W from a starting position east of Bermuda (even east of Hebert Box) is highly anomalous and portends to unusual outcomes potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Henri looks very healthy this morning. Still feeling effects of some northwesterly shear, but the system has a vigorous mid level center seen clearly in the intense convective envelope it developed overnight and with morning visible it does not seem to be too far displaced from the llc. Given the current look, it would not shock me to see this small system ramp up quickly today, maybe becoming a hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Henri looks very healthy this morning. Still feeling effects of some northwesterly shear, but the system has a vigorous mid level center seen clearly in the intense convective envelope it developed overnight and with morning visible it does not seem to be too far displaced from the llc. Given the current look, it would not shock me to see this small system ramp up quickly today, maybe becoming a hurricane I do like the hurricane potential this weekend when Henri turns north towards the gulf stream. If timed right, it will be between two upper troughs with good thermodynamic support. Should be sufficient ventilation for a stronger hurricane as it heads into the maritimes by early next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 43 minutes ago, Windspeed said: 53 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said: Henri looks very healthy this morning. Still feeling effects of some northwesterly shear, but the system has a vigorous mid level center seen clearly in the intense convective envelope it developed overnight and with morning visible it does not seem to be too far displaced from the llc. Given the current look, it would not shock me to see this small system ramp up quickly today, maybe becoming a hurricane I do like the hurricane potential this weekend when Henri turns north towards the gulf stream. If timed right, it will be between two upper troughs with good thermodynamic support. Should be sufficient ventilation for a stronger hurricane as it heads into the maritimes by early next week. The guidance has been unusually slow catching up to this one, so it’d fit the theme of the season, and this storm, for it to produce a “surprise”. As you both said—it looks quite good this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NorthHillsWx Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Yep. I believe we have a hurricane incoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldub23 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 May end up the strongest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Oh how I wish we had recon in Henri atm… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WxWatcher007 Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 Tropical Storm Henri Discussion Number 7 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL082021 1100 AM AST Tue Aug 17 2021 Henri remains a sheared tropical storm. Geostationary satellite images and microwave data show a relatively large area of deep convection (~200 miles across), but the center of the storm is located near the western edge of the thunderstorms due to ongoing northwesterly vertical wind shear. The latest Dvorak estimates have been steady at 3.0/45 kt from TAFB and SAB, and based on that data, the initial intensity is held at 45 kt. The center of Henri is located roughly 130 miles south-southeast of Bermuda currently, and this will likely be as close as the storm gets to the island. The tropical storm is gradually turning to the west, as expected, and the initial motion is estimated to be 255/5 kt. A subtropical ridge over the western Atlantic is building eastward to the north of Henri, and this feature should steer the storm westward at a slightly faster pace during the next two or three days. After that time, the ridge is expected to weaken and shift farther east as a cut off low or negatively-tilted trough develops over the northeast U.S. This change in the steering pattern should cause Henri to turn northeastward between Bermuda and the east coast of the U.S in the 72-120 h period. The NHC track forecast is a little faster than the previous one in the short term and farther west than the previous one from days 3-5, trending toward the latest consensus models. The northwesterly shear currently affecting Henri is expected to subside later today, and that should allow the storm to gain strength during the next 12-24 hours. However, a round of moderate northerly shear is expected to setup over Henri during the 24-96 hour period. Although this shear would typically cause some weakening, the combination of warm SSTs and increasing mid-level moisture could offset the negative influences of the shear. Therefore, no change in strength is predicted beyond the 24 h period. Some of the models suggest that the shear could lessen again this weekend, so although not explicitly forecast, some strengthening is possible then. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 17/1500Z 30.4N 64.3W 45 KT 50 MPH 12H 18/0000Z 30.4N 65.1W 50 KT 60 MPH 24H 18/1200Z 30.3N 66.5W 55 KT 65 MPH 36H 19/0000Z 30.3N 68.2W 55 KT 65 MPH 48H 19/1200Z 30.4N 69.7W 55 KT 65 MPH 60H 20/0000Z 30.7N 70.6W 55 KT 65 MPH 72H 20/1200Z 31.6N 71.3W 55 KT 65 MPH 96H 21/1200Z 34.1N 69.6W 55 KT 65 MPH 120H 22/1200Z 37.4N 66.0W 55 KT 65 MPH $$ Forecaster Cangialosi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowenOutThere Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 If we are looking for where an eye would be I think I found it, the lightning on the band would be the eyewall trying to wrap around. Seems like it’s just a matter of time before an eye forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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