CIK62 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 The last 7 days of August are averaging 82degs.(74/90), or +10. Month to date is 77.1[+0.6]. August would end at 78.2[+2.2], more likely 77.1. I reached 93 yesterday. 77*(75%RH) here at 6am, hazy blue. 80* by 9am. 81* at 10am. 82* by Noon 84* at 1pm. 86*(61%RH) at 3pm. only 87* with a HI =94* at 4pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Morning thoughts… Today will be mostly sunny and hot. High temperatures will likely reach the lower 90s in most of the region with some places topping out in the middle 90s. Likely high temperatures around the region include: New York City (Central Park): 90° Newark: 95° Philadelphia: 95° Normals: New York City: 30-Year: 82.3°; 15-Year: 82.0° Newark: 30-Year: 83.6°; 15-Year: 83.1° Philadelphia: 30-Year: 84.8°; 15-Year: 84.4° The very warm weather will continue through Friday before it turns cooler for the weekend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 hours ago, LibertyBell said: so sea breezes on the following days? Got to 90 here at 5 PM! Latest high I've had in awhile. Did JFK hit 90? Yes, JFK hit 90 yesterday. Central Park could only manage 89. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Will - Rutgers said: a lot of building air systems are barely designed to handle the kind of dews we have been seeing the last few years. among the billion things I do at my job, i review air handler specifications before i buy them, and 80F is basically the upper limit of the cooling coils we spec. maybe there's some sensitive areas with even more robust design requirements but i haven't seen it. this is for 100% outside air laboratory air handlers. no recycling. the office air handlers recycle air and so are design to mix, say, 50/50 recycled air and outside air. last year due to COVID we went to a 100% outside air protocol for ALL air handlers, even for office areas that were simply not designed to do that. rain in the building became a problem where moist air condensed on the cold surfaces of air diffusers and started to drip. we looked like assholes to the users but it wasn't our fault. as global warming continues its long march to the sea, we are going to spend more and more energy just trying to fend it off--another feedback loop of doom. edit: i know that had little to do with your post but i spent all day sweating to death and, you know, i'm not looking forward to more of it. Good morning, Will. I don’t envy your job. Critical analysis/decisions that ultimately affect many lives. “as global warming continues its long March to the sea ” is an apt phrase that saddens me not only for its seeming inevitable accuracy but also for the possibility that the sea may meet it half way. As always …. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 69/ DP 67/ RH 92 here this AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 The current heatwave is helping Newark maintain the 4th warmest summer position. This is the first time since 2010 and 2011 that Newark had two consecutive top 10 warmest summers. So the strongest heat is focused west of the Hudson this year rather than east last summer. So LGA and EWR have traded places from last year. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 1993 79.2 0 2 2010 78.7 0 3 1994 78.5 0 4 2021 78.2 7 5 2011 78.0 0 6 2005 77.8 0 7 1988 77.7 0 8 2020 77.6 0 - 2016 77.6 0 - 1973 77.6 0 9 1999 77.1 0 10 1995 77.0 0 Time Series Summary for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 2020 79.5 0 2 2010 79.1 0 3 2016 78.8 0 4 2005 78.0 0 5 2018 77.9 0 6 1966 77.5 0 7 2021 77.4 7 - 2006 77.4 0 - 1999 77.4 0 8 2019 77.3 0 - 2012 77.3 0 - 1991 77.3 0 9 1994 77.2 0 10 1995 77.1 0 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, bluewave said: The current heatwave is helping Newark maintain the 4th warmest summer position. This is the first time since 2010 and 2011 that Newark had two consecutive top 10 warmest summers. So the strongest heat is focused west of the Hudson this year rather than east last summer. So LGA and EWR have traded places from last year. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 1993 79.2 0 2 2010 78.7 0 3 1994 78.5 0 4 2021 78.2 7 5 2011 78.0 0 6 2005 77.8 0 7 1988 77.7 0 8 2020 77.6 0 - 2016 77.6 0 - 1973 77.6 0 9 1999 77.1 0 10 1995 77.0 0 Time Series Summary for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 2020 79.5 0 2 2010 79.1 0 3 2016 78.8 0 4 2005 78.0 0 5 2018 77.9 0 6 1966 77.5 0 7 2021 77.4 7 - 2006 77.4 0 - 1999 77.4 0 8 2019 77.3 0 - 2012 77.3 0 - 1991 77.3 0 9 1994 77.2 0 10 1995 77.1 0 11 year cycle... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, uncle W said: 11 year cycle... Boston is currently in 1st place for warmest summer. But it’s doing it with July being the coolest summer month. Has this ever happened before at an Eastern US weather station? Monthly Mean Avg Temperature for Boston Area, MA (ThreadEx)Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Jun Jul Aug Season 2021 74.4 72.4 76.4 74.4 1983 70.7 78.0 73.6 74.1 1949 71.6 76.3 74.4 74.1 1994 71.9 77.5 72.4 73.9 2019 68.2 78.7 74.1 73.7 2018 67.7 76.1 77.4 73.7 2016 68.4 76.1 76.4 73.6 2010 70.3 77.2 73.4 73.6 1952 70.6 77.5 72.2 73.4 1984 70.5 74.7 74.6 73.3 1973 70.0 74.2 74.8 73.0 2020 69.2 75.3 74.1 72.9 2013 69.6 77.1 72.1 72.9 2011 67.1 77.3 73.9 72.8 1991 70.0 74.6 73.7 72.8 1955 66.8 77.2 74.5 72.8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, uncle W said: 11 year cycle... myth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, forkyfork said: myth every year is an 11year cycle now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, forkyfork said: myth It doesn't mean that other summers can't be hot, of course they can, but the majority of the country has seen some of its hottest summers in this 11 year cycle, What convinced me is a map of temperature anomalies for the entire CONUS for 11 year cycle summers starting from 1933; it's wall to wall red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 84/68 in day 3 of the late season heatwave. Humidity creeping back up. Ridge keeps us hot and mainly rain free till later Friday. 850 MB temps peak near or >18c later today and Thu. Front comes through later Friday (8/27) and much of the coming weekend looks cloudy but warm/humid. Next week by Mon (8/30) we do see the ridge rebuild and perhaps with enough clearing some more 90s Mon - Tue (8/31). Beyond there the remnants of what will likely be Ida will need to be watched but overall warm / humid looks like a theme to end the month and start the next one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, uncle W said: every year is an 11year cycle now... I have a specific definition for hot summer and I wont stray from it because those are the summers I remember, not these hot min fake heat summers. I find those to be mediocre. For EWR/LGA 45+ 90 degree days and at least 1 100+ high For NYC 30+ 90 degree highs and at least 1 100+ high For JFK 20+ 90 degree highs and at least 1 100+ high How many summers meet my criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, bluewave said: Boston is currently in 1st place for warmest summer. But it’s doing it with July being the coolest summer month. Has this ever happened before at an Eastern US weather station? Monthly Mean Avg Temperature for Boston Area, MA (ThreadEx)Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Jun Jul Aug Season 2021 74.4 72.4 76.4 74.4 1983 70.7 78.0 73.6 74.1 1949 71.6 76.3 74.4 74.1 1994 71.9 77.5 72.4 73.9 2019 68.2 78.7 74.1 73.7 2018 67.7 76.1 77.4 73.7 2016 68.4 76.1 76.4 73.6 2010 70.3 77.2 73.4 73.6 1952 70.6 77.5 72.2 73.4 1984 70.5 74.7 74.6 73.3 1973 70.0 74.2 74.8 73.0 2020 69.2 75.3 74.1 72.9 2013 69.6 77.1 72.1 72.9 2011 67.1 77.3 73.9 72.8 1991 70.0 74.6 73.7 72.8 1955 66.8 77.2 74.5 72.8 all hail 1983 it's #1 on so many lists lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Just now, LibertyBell said: I have a specific definition for hot summer and I wont stray from it because those are the summers I remember, not these hot min fake heat summers. I find those to be mediocre. For EWR/LGA 45+ 90 degree days and at least 1 100+ high For NYC 30+ 90 degree highs and at least 1 100+ high For JFK 20+ 90 degree highs and at least 1 100+ high How many summers meet my criteria? NYC will never meet that criteria unless Central Park has a brush fire... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, bluewave said: The current heatwave is helping Newark maintain the 4th warmest summer position. This is the first time since 2010 and 2011 that Newark had two consecutive top 10 warmest summers. So the strongest heat is focused west of the Hudson this year rather than east last summer. So LGA and EWR have traded places from last year. Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 1993 79.2 0 2 2010 78.7 0 3 1994 78.5 0 4 2021 78.2 7 5 2011 78.0 0 6 2005 77.8 0 7 1988 77.7 0 8 2020 77.6 0 - 2016 77.6 0 - 1973 77.6 0 9 1999 77.1 0 10 1995 77.0 0 Time Series Summary for LAGUARDIA AIRPORT, NYClick column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Mean Avg Temperature Missing Count 1 2020 79.5 0 2 2010 79.1 0 3 2016 78.8 0 4 2005 78.0 0 5 2018 77.9 0 6 1966 77.5 0 7 2021 77.4 7 - 2006 77.4 0 - 1999 77.4 0 8 2019 77.3 0 - 2012 77.3 0 - 1991 77.3 0 9 1994 77.2 0 10 1995 77.1 0 I love the EWR list because I find their top list is closer to what our climate really is than LGA which is much more polluted by high min from UHI. EWR list definitely matches how I experience heat, which is that my two hottest summers were 2010 and 1993. Does JFK's top list also match EWR's? (I would add 1983 and 2002 to the list too.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, uncle W said: NYC will never meet that criteria unless Central Park has a brush fire... lol time to spray Agent Orange there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: Yes, JFK hit 90 yesterday. Central Park could only manage 89. Looks like no sea breeze again today so JFK and I should both hit 90 at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: It doesn't mean that other summers can't be hot, of course they can, but the majority of the country has seen some of its hottest summers in this 11 year cycle, What convinced me is a map of temperature anomalies for the entire CONUS for 11 year cycle summers starting from 1933; it's wall to wall red. there's no cycle, sorry 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, forkyfork said: there's no cycle, sorry what about this? https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/sun-space-weather/sunspot-cycle 11-year Cycle - Usually! The duration of the sunspot cycle is, on average, around eleven years. However, the length of the cycle does vary. Between 1700 and the present, the sunspot cycle (from one solar min to the next solar min) has varied in length from as short as nine years to as long as fourteen years. Note, however, that of the 26 solar cycles during that three-century span, 21 had a length between ten and twelve years. Arriving at a precise count of sunspots is not as straightforward as it might appear. Some spots are much larger than others, some sunspots partially merge together at their edges, and many spots appear in groups. In 1848 a Swiss astronomer named Rudolf Wolf devised an algorithm for making consistent counts of sunspots that allows comparisons between data from different observers across the centuries. The sunspot count derived using Wolf's formula, now known as the Wolf sunspot number, is still in use today. Wolf used data from earlier astronomers to reconstruct sunspot counts as far back as the 1755-1766 cycle, which he dubbed "cycle 1". Since then, subsequent cycles have been numbered consecutively, so the cycle that began with the 2008 solar minimum is cycle 24. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 13 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Tell you what, with sea level rise happening, these ugly high dew points and droughts and wild fires in the West, I would seriously consider more efficient desalinization machines being built so we can use the water from the oceans. It would be a muscular move to solve multiple problems at once- if we were able to use enough ocean water at a high enough rate we could solve our drought problems and negate sea level rise at the same time. The question is how long it will be when we have machines powerful enough to desalinate water from the oceans and use it and take it out fast enough to negate sea level rise. You'd need to remove tens of billions of gallons... Ultimately any water we use on land will eventually make its way to the ocean so there would be no effect on sea levels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, gravitylover said: You'd need to remove tens of billions of gallons... Ultimately any water we use on land will eventually make its way to the ocean so there would be no effect on sea levels. Our recycling methods aren't exactly where they should be either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I wonder how the Euro seasonal was able to do so well with a summer 500mb forecast for North America issued on May 1st? It turned out to be a battle between the WAR and the ridge over Western North America. People would really take notice if the Euro ever did this well with a winter forecast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Once again bearable outside at 87/63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binbisso Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, dmillz25 said: Once again bearable outside at 87/63 Yes! 86* dp 59. I thought we were in for high dew points. Very comfortable out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binbisso Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Wind very lite today. No down slope heating. Temps probably Max in the low nineties Today with heat index right around actual temperature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmillz25 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, binbisso said: Yes! 86* dp 59. I thought we were in for high dew points. Very comfortable out Up to 91/62 here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, dmillz25 said: Up to 91/62 here 87/68 here. Once the winds pick up, the higher dew points to our south and west will work in. Thursday into Friday looks like the highest dew points ahead of the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, bluewave said: 87/68 here. Once the winds pick up, the higher dew points to our south and west will work in. Thursday into Friday looks like the highest dew points ahead of the front. It already hit 90 here at noon and is approaching 91 here now. But Thursday and Friday wont be as hot as these two days because the wind will come off the waters. This is very likely the last heatwave of the year (September starts next Wednesday), although we'll very likely get at least 1 90 degree high in September, even out here, and an outside shot at 2, but a heatwave in September is extremely unlikely here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, bluewave said: I wonder how the Euro seasonal was able to do so well with a summer 500mb forecast for North America issued on May 1st? It turned out to be a battle between the WAR and the ridge over Western North America. People would really take notice if the Euro ever did this well with a winter forecast. WAR isn't really a heat pump, it's more of a humidity pump. Our truly hot summers come with a downsloping flow from the west which brings in true unadulterated pure heat. Haven't had that in almost a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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