PhineasC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 minute ago, HoarfrostHubb said: One note about masking. We just got back from our little Maine trip. The hotel we stayed at had a “mask required” in common areas sign on the door. As we were checking in (we put on masks, the employee behind glass did not) we asked and he confirmed masks were required in common areas. Ok. So we masked when in those areas. Almost no one else did. It was awkward. In restaurants, shops etc almost no one had masks other than servers at some restaurants. It was odd I haven't worn a mask since mid-April, I think. That time is in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: One note about masking. We just got back from our little Maine trip. The hotel we stayed at had a “mask required” in common areas sign on the door. As we were checking in (we put on masks, the employee behind glass did not) we asked and he confirmed masks were required in common areas. Ok. So we masked when in those areas. Almost no one else did. It was awkward. In restaurants, shops etc almost no one had masks other than servers at some restaurants. It was odd You should have thrown a fit. I'm from Massachusetts! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: I frankly don't care. If they wanna risk their lives then by all means go ahead. Have fun gasping for air. And if the unvaccinated complain that they can't access certain places bc businesses require vaccination then I also don't care. Welcome to the free market. I haven't seen any businesses I want to go to requiring vaccines. It appears the dream some had of us unvaccinated buttheads finally getting our comeuppance has fizzled out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, PhineasC said: I haven't worn a mask since mid-April, I think. That time is in the past. It was funny to see masks on sale in shops for 50-75% off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, PhineasC said: I haven't seen any businesses I want to go to requiring vaccines. It appears the dream some had of us unvaccinated buttheads finally getting our comeuppance has fizzled out. Pretty much all of the businesses we went into had signs saying masks were not required if fully vaccinated. But no one was checking etc. it’s done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, kdxken said: You should have thrown a fit. I'm from Massachusetts! It was sad that no Canadians were around. That area is usually wall to wall people from Nee Brunswick and Nova Scotia etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: It was funny to see masks on sale in shops for 50-75% off. that and hand sanitizer-can't give the stuff away now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, White Rain said: What about people that had COVID and are immune? Do you believe they should be punished if not vaccinated too? Natural immunity seems to last maybe 6 months tops. The science doesn't lie. 99.2% of current hospitalizations/deaths are from those unvaccinated. The vaccines are extremely effective. No one's forcing you to get one. At this point you're on your own just don't get upset if businesses or schools start requiring vaccination. It is also their right to do so, just ask Morgan Stanley. 34 minutes ago, PhineasC said: I haven't seen any businesses I want to go to requiring vaccines. It appears the dream some had of us unvaccinated buttheads finally getting our comeuppance has fizzled out. For the record I don't want unvaccinated people to meet their maker...that's psychotic. However there's no question cases will go up again in the fall/winter and the unvaxxed will be targeted. But w.e it's your risk not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, natedizel said: Ya i thought the same when i first seen it. This news anchor agrees at around the 20 second mark of the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Natural immunity seems to last maybe 6 months tops. The science doesn't lie. 99.2% of current hospitalizations/deaths are from those unvaccinated. The vaccines are extremely effective. No one's forcing you to get one. At this point you're on your own just don't get upset if businesses or schools start requiring vaccination. It is also their right to do so, just ask Morgan Stanley. For the record I don't want unvaccinated people to meet their maker...that's psychotic. However there's no question cases will go up again in the fall/winter and the unvaxxed will be targeted. But w.e it's your risk not mine. Survival of the fittest-I would not want to go into January with no vaxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, PhineasC said: I haven't worn a mask since mid-April, I think. That time is in the past. Weirdly New Hampshire was the last places I had to wear a mask in mid-June. Stopped off I-89 near Whaleback a week ago when driving the wife to Boston and my wife went in, came back to the car while I was pumping gas and said they made her go get a mask (like gas station, Subway, etc). Credit card statement said Enfield, NH and they still had signs up for masks required but looked like a town declaration. But then on the way back up I stopped at a different town in SE NH nearby and they also had mask required signs up that also looked like another town requirement. Oddly enough two days ago we stopped at the same exact place after I picked her up and in that week’s time they had removed the mask mandate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, White Rain said: I’m sorry but I do not believe a vaccine is better than natural immunity. This goes against all conventional wisdom. Show me some real data Ever heard of smallpox or measles. You think they just died out from natural immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Ya thats my wife for sure. I got vaccinated and tried to convince her. She said unless i need it to fly im allset. Its her choice. Im not asking againMy wife's the same. Done asking Sent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 It's great to go into a restaurant or a store without a mask. I have been doing that for 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, MJO812 said: It's great to go into a restaurant or a store without a mask. I have been doing that for 2 weeks. It felt weird the first I did it. My 12 yr old didn't really believe it was true he could walk in w/o one it was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 'Conventional wisdom' ...what wisdom is that exactly ? Vitamin C from an orange vs a pill ... no difference. The chemistry has no distinction in biologic processes. Likewise, the triggering of a T and B lymphocytic response is no different. There's no virtuosity policeman in your blood telling your T and B cells, ' Heh, go easy. You don't have to study for that test -it's only half going to effect your grade' Lol. Also, the whole of the this argument about nature versus nurture in this case has a fundamental logical point of contention ( if not flaw ) to me. Namely, this outbreak and subsequent Pandemic appears ever so, to have an origin in an unnaturally occurring phenomenon. So, shouldn't it be reasonable to question whether a naturally occurring systemic response might be insufficient ? mmm. It seems there would need a proportionate angle of attack - like ... an equally/or better man-made vaccine weapon as a mitigator. In short, it is okay to question natural immune response capacity to actually respond to something that was not natural ( as in inorganically ) in its origin. You know, ..frankly, I want to credit humanity for getting three distinct vaccine forms into Beta workability so fast, like way ahead of the scientific arc timing for these things, as all a conceit of modern tech and for now, ..fine. Let's go with that. But maybe a memo of its origin and how to countermand was also passed into the backdoor of these labs - something that would be possible if they already knew how to do it. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 43 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Ever heard of smallpox or measles. You think they just died out from natural immunity. People who have had the measles don't really need to get vaccinated for it. I had chicken pox when I was 4. Never had a vaccine. When I worked at the Brigham a few years ago, I needed to get a chicken pox titer. Through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Just now, White Rain said: Its generally accepted if you get chickenpox you are immune, no? Typically if you are not vaccinated it will result in you getting more sick and having an increased immune response. This results in better protection. unless you die that is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, White Rain said: Its generally accepted if you get chickenpox you are immune, no? Typically if you are not vaccinated it will result in you getting more sick and having an increased immune response. This results in better protection. "generally accepted" is tantamount to urban legend, first of all. Half of common wisdom is in fact 100% fallacy. Where there was intimation that one was better than the other, that is the wrong - we don't know that. That's conjecture and that's fine - that what we do here. Heh. I mean it's all good. But I also like the other point there, that this isn't wasn't an organically occurring virus in nature ( as evidence presently stands ) - so, it is unwise to assume an organically occurring immune system can mount a proportional and winning response. I mean, getting into sci fi ... but, it's a matter of time when human "genius" out does nature entirely, and creates some dastardly thing where there can be no response ... But that's a digression - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 2 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: Natural immunity seems to last maybe 6 months tops. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone-68 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I’m tired of conventional wisdom. Just once in my life I’d like some unconventional wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJonesWX Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cyclone-68 said: I’m tired of conventional wisdom. Just once in my life I’d like some unconventional wisdom i am confident that much of what you read in this thread is just that. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: Ever heard of smallpox or measles. You think they just died out from natural immunity. Rhetorical question, and somewhat irrelevant. How many smallpox or measles survivors got the disease a 2nd time? Only anecdotal, but I had measles about 1952 before the vaccine was available afaik and haven't contracted it again. (Also have not been tested for immunity.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 4 hours ago, White Rain said: What about people that had COVID and are immune? Do you believe they should be punished if not vaccinated too? Also the low number of people who are contraindicated for ANY vaccine due to medical reasons. Might run afoul of ADA by blocking those folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, powderfreak said: Weirdly New Hampshire was the last places I had to wear a mask in mid-June. Stopped off I-89 near Whaleback a week ago when driving the wife to Boston and my wife went in, came back to the car while I was pumping gas and said they made her go get a mask (like gas station, Subway, etc). Credit card statement said Enfield, NH and they still had signs up for masks required but looked like a town declaration. But then on the way back up I stopped at a different town in SE NH nearby and they also had mask required signs up that also looked like another town requirement. Oddly enough two days ago we stopped at the same exact place after I picked her up and in that week’s time they had removed the mask mandate. Yeah, probably still a lot of local regs on the books out there. Also may be dependent on how spooked or compliance/risk-minded the individual business owners are. I don't usually stop in southern NH when I come up so I am not sure where they ever landed with masks. Last time I was in NJ at a rest stop in early June I know they were still totally masked-up and "socially distanced." Not sure if they have eased up since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Brian5671 said: Survival of the fittest-I would not want to go into January with no vaxx Some how, some way... we will survive. Pray for my safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Lava Rock said: My wife's the same. Done asking Sent from my SM-G981U1 using Tapatalk Damn, some good wives of posters in this thread. Lucky gents. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I wonder when the last cries of "wait two more weeks for the surge!!!" will finally die out? Still running strong here with some, it seems. Meanwhile, they have been partying in Texas and Florida for many months now even with the scary variants floating around on the breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 3 hours ago, White Rain said: I enjoy your posts by the way even if I dont agree with you at times. Most of the time you are spot on with your analysis. Natural immunity to chickenpox isn’t an urban myth though. I'm not sure when I averred otherwise - where's that coming from? I don't think I was part of that conversation. LOL Look, ..a bloke gets a new virus. The body responds. If he survives, the body has a 'natural immunity' - right. Who's in contention of that? But, to say that a vaccine is less effective in getting the bloke to the same immunity, that is not true. That's all - Anything else, ..I wasn't involved in that stream of pings - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 59 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Some how, some way... we will survive. Pray for my safety. Be safe, Phineas. Some how, someway, somewhere the sharks and the jets will join in shared grief, wiser, as they move together and carry their loss into the future. As always … 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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