HoarfrostHubb Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, amarshall said: This is a traditional protein based vaccine that doesn't require super freezing. Not a rushed through mrna vaccine with no long term studies. I got the mrna shots because I was required to for work. I would have waited for NVAX It should be very helpful for poorer countries etc that lack the ability to keep them super cold etc. Similar to J&J? Looks like they are hoping for a Sept approval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, HoarfrostHubb said: How is it either more effective or safer? MRNA vaccines have had 10,000 breakthroughs in 130,000,000 people. That’s 1/13000. Pretty effective But...but, the delta strain is coming. Boris already extending some lockdowns. According to some, we're not ovah this yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 It’s getting so bad with supply chain that HD bought their own container ship: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/06/13/home-depot-contracted-its-own-container-ship-to-avoid-shipping-delays.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Oh yeah, vaccine. I had the two dose deal - Moderna. I did not feel or sense any reaction to either dose, zippo. Moderna, as internet water-cooler wisdom would warn, is the worst offender for making the patient feel as though curing the disease is actually killing the patient. I know that people are getting reactions to these vaccines - my sister did. She was couched for 3 days with fever and headache - "they f'n gave me COVID, that's what!" But I'm just here to say that either A, this is not going to be true for all individuals - you may not respond. Versus, B, the off chance that the vaccine failed to work in my particular physiology -- never heard of that, but nothing in a reality that is 100% a synergistic emergence of Quantum Uncertainty Principle can ever be in 100% certainty. How's that for a whopper paradox. Excluding the possibility that I am the 1::googleplex target for cosmic dildo flogging, I'm going to go ahead and assume I am just lucky that my particular make-up was able to absorb, respond appropriately, and end-goal my immunity to these predominating strains of C-19 pathogen, without having endure any headaches for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 figures, swing and a miss on the showers at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said: How is it either more effective or safer? MRNA vaccines have had 10,000 breakthroughs in 130,000,000 people. That’s 1/13000. Pretty effective https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/novavax-covid-19-vaccine.html Quote In March the company announced an efficacy rate of 96 percent against the original coronavirus, 86 percent against the B.1.1.7 variant and 49 percent against the B.1.351 variant. 49% seems fairly meh…looks like another vax that would need frequent updates/boosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Lava Rock said: But...but, the delta strain is coming. Boris already extending some lockdowns. According to some, we're not ovah this yet. We’ll, she gone in Massachusetts anyway. Sucks to be those folks across the pond I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Lava Rock said: But...but, the delta strain is coming. Boris already extending some lockdowns. According to some, we're not ovah this yet. the good news is we're in summer here when life moves outside and spread is more difficult. Gives us another 4-5 months to get even more people vaccinated before we head into winter. I can't believe England is doing more lockdowns...at some point you have to get on with life. Hospitals can't be overwhelmed there or anything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: the good news is we're in summer here when life moves outside and spread is more difficult. Gives us another 4-5 months to get even more people vaccinated before we head into winter. I can't believe England is doing more lockdowns...at some point you have to get on with life. Hospitals can't be overwhelmed there or anything.... So afraid to die that they can’t live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 We open! https://vtdigger.org/2021/06/14/vermont-reopens-scott-lifts-restrictions-as-state-reaches-80-vaccination-goal/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, dendrite said: So afraid to die that they can’t live. New slogan for NH?… “Don’t be so afraid to die that you don’t live.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: New slogan for NH?… “Don’t be so afraid to die that you don’t live.” Find an angry way to tie in liberal hate and I'll sell the shirts at bike week this week. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, mreaves said: We open! https://vtdigger.org/2021/06/14/vermont-reopens-scott-lifts-restrictions-as-state-reaches-80-vaccination-goal/ 80% vaxx rate is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 41 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: the good news is we're in summer here when life moves outside and spread is more difficult. Gives us another 4-5 months to get even more people vaccinated before we head into winter. I can't believe England is doing more lockdowns...at some point you have to get on with life. Hospitals can't be overwhelmed there or anything.... Canada and Australia are also chasing a COVID zero goal as well. The people in these places tend to already be compliant sheep obsessed with “civic politeness” so they are not resisting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, PhineasC said: Canada and Australia are also chasing COVID zero goal as well. The people in these places tend to already be compliant sheep obsessed with “civic politeness” so they are not resisting it. I'd be losing it in Canada. Dark and cold 8+ months of the year and they want to keep you locked down in warm season for a couple dozen deaths per day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, dendrite said: I'd be losing it in Canada. Dark and cold 8+ months of the year and they want to keep you locked down in warm season for a couple dozen deaths per day. I don’t understand how they will be able to justify not locking down over flu deaths after what they have done with COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Canada and Australia are also chasing a COVID zero goal as well. The people in these places tend to already be compliant sheep obsessed with “civic politeness” so they are not resisting it. Hugh Jackman landed in Australia 3 days ago and is locked inside a hotel for 14 days without the ability to leave at all for anything. Someone posted if hes able to go outside, and a resident of Australia said if he has a balcony. Pretty insane stuff like that is still going on. Life will never be the same in those countries again. New Zealand is another one. It's been #1 on my travel list for years and had a 16 day trip planned in April of 2020 to visit there. Going to be awhile before I can go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 The numbers aren't that high, but the UK has actually had a significant increase in cases even with their high vaccination rate. Can likely blame the Delta variant for that, which has taken over there. Should the Delta variant take over in the US, then not out of the question that cases start rising here in coming months. Parts of the US are very vaccinated, but others not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Hugh Jackman landed in Australia 3 days ago and is locked inside a hotel for 14 days without the ability to leave at all for anything. Someone posted if hes able to go outside, and a resident of Australia said if he has a balcony. Pretty insane stuff like that is still going on. Life will never be the same in those countries again. New Zealand is another one. It's been #1 on my travel list for years and had a 16 day trip planned in April of 2020 to visit there. Going to be awhile before I can go there. They will never open up until they dump the COVID zero BS which is an impossible and pointlessly self-destructive goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hoosier said: The numbers aren't that high, but the UK has actually had a significant increase in cases even with their high vaccination rate. Can likely blame the Delta variant for that, which has taken over there. Should the Delta variant take over in the US, then not out of the question that cases start rising here in coming months. Parts of the US are very vaccinated, but others not so much. At some point, nations need to get over the fear and get off the treadmill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, dendrite said: I'd be losing it in Canada. Dark and cold 8+ months of the year and they want to keep you locked down in warm season for a couple dozen deaths per day. Yeah… I mean, at some point, you have to live with this in the background, like the hundreds of other diseases. A lot of people die from cancer and heart attacks everyday too, and I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, but you could play this game literally to the end of time pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, PhineasC said: At some point, nations need to get over the fear and get off the treadmill. If any of those countries want any tourist economy stuff to come back, it better be quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone-68 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, PhineasC said: At some point, nations need to get over the fear and get off the treadmill. I think in quite a few cases they don’t want to do that. They like being the overlords of their little fiefdoms. Nobody wants to relinquish power and control once they have it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Yeah… I mean, at some point, you have to live with this in the background, like the hundreds of other diseases. A lot of people die from cancer and heart attacks everyday too, and I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison, but you could play this game literally to the end of time pretty much. The comparison to cancer and heart attacks doesn't work since they are not contagious, but yeah... soon it becomes part of the background of diseases that may cause death like influenza or typhoid... just need it to a reasonable level. The US is pretty close to that right now... Australia and Canada are head scratchers for me... big wide open countries with relatively few cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, PhineasC said: At some point, nations need to get over the fear and get off the treadmill. Are you still talking about this? Go out and enjoy your life man. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 I mean, Australia only had 11 new cases yesterday. Canada had 1100... so I almost understand that one (but not really) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Cyclone-68 said: I think in quite a few cases they don’t want to do that. They like being the overlords of their little fiefdoms. Nobody wants to relinquish power and control once they have it Definitely a glimpse at the development of the modern “mommy state” where onerous “public safety” measures turn people’s lives to misery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Are you still talking about this? Go out and enjoy your life man. Stop letting me live rent free in your head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Canada and Australia are also chasing a COVID zero goal as well. The people in these places tend to already be compliant sheep obsessed with “civic politeness” so they are not resisting it. zero or even close to it will never happen...this is here to stay 24 minutes ago, dendrite said: I'd be losing it in Canada. Dark and cold 8+ months of the year and they want to keep you locked down in warm season for a couple dozen deaths per day. insane especially with the US wide open now...are Americans allowed in Canada? 22 minutes ago, PhineasC said: I don’t understand how they will be able to justify not locking down over flu deaths after what they have done with COVID. a bad flu season can kill 40-50K Americans-we've never locked down over that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone-68 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Definitely a glimpse at the development of the modern “mommy state” where onerous “public safety” measures turn people’s lives to misery. Governor Baker is my mommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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