Met Summer Banter

[PhineasC]

Freaking latest iPhone update bricked my phone.

[WhitinsvilleWX]

Just now, PhineasC said:

You are refusing to see the next logical conclusion that comes from that. If the vaccinated can still spread the virus, how does force-vaxxing the universe end the casedemic?

The more people that are vaxed, the "spread" wont matter. There will be fewer people to actually get infected and fewer and fewer vectors.

[powderfreak]

2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Medical professionals need to get the vaccine because they work closely with sick and vulnerable people. That's part of the job.

Not only that but they trust medicine.  They trust the process.  Just as they dispense prescriptions to people and schedule procedures, many that have side effects.  Medical professionals trust the process.

[PhineasC]

Just now, Ginx snewx said:

I have a very nice and wonderful friend who own a 5 apt complex and has gotten screwed over . She still has to pay her mortgage and taxes and the CT dispersal of assistance is a joke. She was actually on local news placing a call to the assistance holiness on TV. She was caller 612 and the wait time was 24000 minutes. Yes that's exactly what the line said on TV. This was the day after on the same channel the state director of housing said it was all going smoothly. 

Big hedge funds and banks are buying up tons of property and then renting it out. There is a big push to turn America into a country of renters with a handful of large, government-backed landlords. Smaller landlords have to go in that scenario.

[powderfreak]

Just now, PhineasC said:

Freaking latest iPhone update bricked my phone.

I've got those fukkers set to "don't auto-update"... good way to ruin your day when that thing updates overnight and you wake up and are like WTF is this?

[PhineasC]

Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said:

The more people that are vaxed, the "spread" wont matter. There will be fewer people to actually get infected and fewer and fewer vectors.

At some unachievable panacea level where the world is fully vaccinated with boosters every six months, yes.

This is not a sterilizing vaccine that makes you immune for life. It's already showing signs of being like the flu vaccine.

[Hoosier]

5 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

If you look at other countries where delta peaked, it took 7-8 weeks from valley to peak then the drop. If it holds here, which I think it will, we should peak around the first week of September, lat week of august. 

That seems like a decent estimate nationally.  The wild card is schools reopening and remains to be seen if that could make the peak more flattish/prolonged instead of a quick plunge.  Will be interesting to watch the case trends in the northern states though, because seasonality may want to start kicking in around the time that this wave would naturally be heading downward.

[weathafella]

1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

Big hedge funds and banks are buying up tons of property and then renting it out. There is a big push to turn America into a country of renters with a handful of large, government-backed landlords. Smaller landlords have to go in that scenario.

Private equity is buying all the medical practices.   I remember having the thought after talking with a friend who got a fat payday from selling to private equity “damn...should have stayed private...”. But that should be taken tongue in cheek.   I found caring for vets extremely rewarding-really a wonderful cohort of people overall.

[Ginx snewx]

3 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Big hedge funds and banks are buying up tons of property and then renting it out. There is a big push to turn America into a country of renters with a handful of large, government-backed landlords. Smaller landlords have to go in that scenario.

Sorry it was caller 882 and 4070 minutes. Jen is a great landlord as well. The tenants that screwed her all collected 600 extra for the entire time as well.

https://www.wfsb.com/news/local-landlord-struggling-to-file-for-pandemic-driven-rental-assistance/article_13629fdc-cd4e-11eb-89fe-8f22cf44325c.html

 

[Baroclinic Zone]

Just now, PhineasC said:

You are refusing to see the next logical conclusion that comes from that. If the vaccinated can still spread the virus, how does force-vaxxing the universe end the casedemic?

Because deaths and hospitalizations will be dropping due to the fact that we know there is a correlation to being vaccinated and there being a low risk of those 2 subsequent effects occurring.

[Baroclinic Zone]

Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said:

The more people that are vaxed, the "spread" wont matter. There will be fewer people to actually get infected and fewer and fewer vectors.

Don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

[WhitinsvilleWX]

Just now, Baroclinic Zone said:

Because deaths and hospitalizations will be dropping due to the fact that we know there is a correlation to being vaccinated and there being a low risk of those 2 subsequent effects occurring.

This

[PhineasC]

1 minute ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Because deaths and hospitalizations will be dropping due to the fact that we know there is a correlation to being vaccinated and there being a low risk of those 2 subsequent effects occurring.

We are not seeing the restrictions end in countries such as Israel. They are ramping them back up over cases.

It could end up being different here, but in reality we seem to just be following behind these other countries as we approach fall.

[CCHurricane]

4 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Yep, the CDC guidelines and guidance from the WH carry a lot of weight because they provide top cover. This also makes it riskier as a high-profile business or organization to go against the grain.

The headline would say:

"Major MA lab flouts CDC guidelines and pays the price with local COVID outbreak."

That's why I am just shaking my head at people who think the CDC is making the right call or that higher vaccination rates will magically fix this mentality.

Higher vaccination rates allow for a verifiable decoupling of cases vs. deaths here in the US and allows for policy to change accordingly. The Media is doing an extremely poor job of communicating that information to the public, and the Provincetown cluster was the perfect example. The story SHOULD have been that because individuals in the group were vaccinated, that mortality was eliminated. Instead the messaging has been focused on the fact that vaccinated individuals are being infected (while ignoring severity of sickness), which only further muddies the water for those who are hesitant to receive the vaccine, or further emboldens anti-vaxxers unscientific and unsubstantiated claims. 

Enjoying the summer here in Boston which has been business as usual for 4 months. No masks, no problem. 

[Baroclinic Zone]

7 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

If you look at other countries where delta peaked, it took 7-8 weeks from valley to peak then the drop. If it holds here, which I think it will, we should peak around the first week of September, lat week of august. 

That's my hope was well. 

[PhineasC]

2 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Don't know why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

Because this is not what is happening in other countries that are well-vaccinated. They have all started locking down over cases, not deaths. Seriously, just read the news. Every day it's another country saying vaccines will not achieve the "zero COVID" goals.

It might be different here, we will see.

[Baroclinic Zone]

Just now, PhineasC said:

We are not seeing the restrictions end in countries such as Israel. They are ramping them back up over cases.

It could end up being different here, but in reality we seem to just be following behind these other countries as we approach fall.

And those Countries can implements restrictions far more easily than we can here as a Nation.

[WhitinsvilleWX]

1 minute ago, CCHurricane said:

Higher vaccination rates allow for a verifiable decoupling of cases vs. deaths here in the US and allows for policy to change accordingly. The Media is doing an extremely poor job of communicating that information to the public, and the Provincetown cluster was the perfect example. The story SHOULD have been that because individuals in the group were vaccinated, that mortality was eliminated. Instead the messaging has been focused on the fact that vaccinated individuals are being infected (while ignoring severity of sickness), which only further muddies the water for those who are hesitant to receive the vaccine, or further emboldens anti-vaxxers unscientific and unsubstantiated claims. 

Enjoying the summer here in Boston which has been business as usual for 4 months. No masks, no problem. 

Good post

[NorEastermass128]

5 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Because deaths and hospitalizations will be dropping due to the fact that we know there is a correlation to being vaccinated and there being a low risk of those 2 subsequent effects occurring.

Bingo. Not that hard to grasp. Once deaths and hospitalizations are minimal, nobody will care about case numbers. 

[PhineasC]

1 minute ago, CCHurricane said:

Higher vaccination rates allow for a verifiable decoupling of cases vs. deaths here in the US and allows for policy to change accordingly. The Media is doing an extremely poor job of communicating that information to the public, and the Provincetown cluster was the perfect example. The story SHOULD have been that because individuals in the group were vaccinated, that mortality was eliminated. Instead the messaging has been focused on the fact that vaccinated individuals are being infected (while ignoring severity of sickness), which only further muddies the water for those who are hesitant to receive the vaccine, or further emboldens anti-vaxxers unscientific and unsubstantiated claims. 

Enjoying the summer here in Boston which has been business as usual for 4 months. No masks, no problem. 

The government needs to do more than simply provide better "messaging." They need to say masks are not required for the vaccinated, period.

It's doesn't make sense to most people when the government says, "Vaccines work extremely well and prevent death, but vaccinated people need to mask up to stay safe."

[HIPPYVALLEY]

cryptocurrency amendments holding up the entire infrastructure bill vote. Good. 
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/06/crypto-bitcoin-infrastructure-senate/

[Baroclinic Zone]

Just now, CCHurricane said:

Higher vaccination rates allow for a verifiable decoupling of cases vs. deaths here in the US and allows for policy to change accordingly. The Media is doing an extremely poor job of communicating that information to the public, and the Provincetown cluster was the perfect example. The story SHOULD have been that because individuals in the group were vaccinated, that mortality was eliminated. Instead the messaging has been focused on the fact that vaccinated individuals are being infected (while ignoring severity of sickness), which only further muddies the water for those who are hesitant to receive the vaccine, or further emboldens anti-vaxxers unscientific and unsubstantiated claims. 

Enjoying the summer here in Boston which has been business as usual for 4 months. No masks, no problem. 

Yep.  If the Media has the watcher losing interest in a storyline than they stop watching and revenues drop.  They've had a captive audience for a year plus for many and they have kept the narrative going.  It's why I can't take watching much, if any, at all.

[PhineasC]

2 minutes ago, NorEastermass128 said:

Bingo. Not that hard to grasp. Once deaths and hospitalizations are minimal, nobody will care about case numbers. 

That hasn't been the case in the rest of the western world and most of Asia, but maybe the US will buck the trend again somehow.

[tamarack]

18 minutes ago, CCHurricane said:

#ConfirmationBias

I would love to hear your definition of "Poison" and substantiate that definition with facts.

"The dose makes the poison", a lesson learned in college.  At one extreme, years ago I read of a person overdoing the "water cleansing" that supposedly would take away all the bad stuff.  Consumed so much water so fast that the body's osmotic balance was totally wrecked and the person died.  One could go the other way and eat 4 cups of salt at one sitting (unlikely that anyone could gag down that much) and would have a good chance of dying.

[PhineasC]

You guys also seem to making a huge assumption about future vaccine efficacy (which keeps declining -- for Pfizer at least) and the likelihood of getting the rest of the world vaccinated. It is also debatable how many people in this country will get the booster or even bother getting vaccinated again next year.

There is a reason officials in Iceland and Australia both recently admitted that vaccines alone cannot achieve herd immunity or end the case spiral.

[Baroclinic Zone]

Just now, NorEastermass128 said:

Bingo. Not that hard to grasp. Once deaths and hospitalizations are minimal, nobody will care about case numbers. 

We're already there in this State.

[CCHurricane]

Just now, PhineasC said:

The government needs to do more than simply provide better "messaging." They need to say masks are not required for the vaccinated, period.

It's doesn't make sense to most people when the government says, "Vaccines work extremely well and prevent death, but vaccinated people need to mask up to stay safe."

If current vaccination rates were >75% across the nation, I firmly believe that would in fact be the messaging you would hear. 

Vaccination does not eliminate an individuals ability to contract or transmit COVID. For the vaccinated individual there is little risk, but if 30%-60% of the underlying adult community is not vaccinated, the safety guidelines are not being made to protect vaccinated individuals. 

While I understand the desire for guidance to adopt a more "live your life and deal with the consequences" sort of messaging, that decision would become pretty controversial given unknown outcomes. When things go bad, governments are questioned for not doing enough, and when situations don't meet sometimes alarmist expectations, they are lambasted for over-reacting.

[CCHurricane]

22 minutes ago, tamarack said:

"The dose makes the poison", a lesson learned in college.  At one extreme, years ago I read of a person overdoing the "water cleansing" that supposedly would take away all the bad stuff.  Consumed so much water so fast that the body's osmotic balance was totally wrecked and the person died.  One could go the other way and eat 4 cups of salt at one sitting (unlikely that anyone could gag down that much) and would have a good chance of dying.

I nearly brought up that exact same lesson! Good stuff. 

[PhineasC]

2 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

We're already there in this State.

Seems not everyone agrees:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/08/06/face-masks-schools-massachusetts-spilka-baker-requirement/

[Lava Rock]

In the UK, only 45 people under the age of 50 died from Delta. The man on the TV is SE Mass is probably not mentioning that little stat.

Wow, didn't know it was that low.

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