PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, Hoosier said: We will be throwing in an extra variable of schools reopening on a widespread basis, so will be interesting to see how that factors in. Maybe a slower drop than otherwise? Who really knows. If you stop worrying about cases, it all magically goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said: I wouldnt go that far. It passed through the UK with little impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 other than spiking cases big time and requiring new mask mandates, ya total dud. delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hoosier said: I think it depends on what you mean. Assuming a person has not really changed their habits of going out and about, the chances of encountering the virus are higher now than in May in virtually the entire country. It's pretty much basic math. Who cares about “encountering” the virus? You encounter weird viruses all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Can someone explain how this doesn’t mean that there is concern over the efficacy of the vaccines? That seems like the clear interpretation of making the vaccinated mask up. The vax is on the ropes so bad it needs all the help it can get, even from a face napkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Lava Rock said: yeah, i was a bit harsh, but despite the enormous pressure on her, she should still finish the competition out unless she is genuinely injured (physically). An emotional or mental crisis can be every bit as debilitating as the most gruesome physical injury. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, Modfan2 said: S FL evening storms from US 1 in Jupiter Wait, how are you not dead yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Can someone explain how this doesn’t mean that there is concern over the efficacy of the vaccines? That seems like the clear interpretation of making the vaccinated mask up. The vax is on the ropes so bad it needs all the help it can get, even from a face napkin. As Ive said before, the mumps vax is around 70-75% effective. There’s little breakthrough infection because there’s not much virus circulating. Covid vaccines are effective, but there’s still a ton of virus out there. Mumps doesn’t circulate much because most are vaccinated. Measles circulate too. Once vax rates go down in spots, you get an outbreak, even in some vaxed people. Contrary to the opinion of some here, I think masks are mostly useless except in certain narrow settings. But the more people are vaxed, the less it’ll circulate. Not hard to understand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujiwara79 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 LOL @ the anti-maskers on this forum. Looking forward to mask field reports again. It was pretty obvious masks would come back; that's because the CDC new guidance from May made no sense. we should find out what drove the CDC to go from one extreme (recommending masks outdoors, even for vaccinated) to the other opposite extreme (no masks needed anywhere) - all within the span of two weeks. no doubt some chamber of commerce lobbying money was involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said: As Ive said before, the mumps vax is around 70-75% effective. There’s little breakthrough infection because there’s not much virus circulating. Covid vaccines are effective, but there’s still a ton of virus out there. Mumps doesn’t circulate much because most are vaccinated. Measles circulate too. Once vax rates go down in spots, you get an outbreak, even in some vaxed people. Contrary to the opinion of some here, I think masks are mostly useless except in certain narrow settings. But the more people are vaxed, the less it’ll circulate. Not hard to understand. But that’s not what I asked, unless you agree the vaxxed can still spread the virus around (some seem to still deny this). Otherwise, making the vaxxed mask up doesn’t help lower the amount of virus circulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, fujiwara79 said: LOL @ the anti-maskers on this forum. Looking forward to mask field reports again. It was pretty obvious masks would come back; that's because the CDC new guidance from May made no sense. we should find out what drove the CDC to go from one extreme (recommending masks outdoors, even for vaccinated) to the other opposite extreme (no masks needed anywhere) - all within the span of two weeks. no doubt some chamber of commerce lobbying money was involved. Imagine being an adult who is genuinely happy that mommy government is making him wear his slobber bib again. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, PhineasC said: But that’s not what I asked, unless you agree the vaxxed can still spread the virus around (some seem to still deny this). Otherwise, making the vaxxed mask up doesn’t help lower the amount of virus circulating. I’m not going around and around with you and play your little games. Like I’ve said a million times, vaxed people, even if they get exposed, the viral load is low enough that even if they get the sniffles, they’re most likely not gonna spread it like Chernobyl. Im tired of going around with you. Sometimes you make really good points and other times you dumb as a brick bat. But I suspect 90% of what you do is troll. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said: I’m not going around and around with you and play your little games. Like I’ve said a million times, vaxed people, even if they get exposed, the viral load is low enough that even if they get the sniffles, they’re most likely not gonna spread it like Chernobyl. Im tired of going around with you. Sometimes you make really good points and other times you dumb as a brick bat. But I suspect 90% of what you do is troll. How does making the vaxxed mask help anything? That’s what I am asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, fujiwara79 said: LOL @ the anti-maskers on this forum. Looking forward to mask field reports again. It was pretty obvious masks would come back; that's because the CDC new guidance from May made no sense. we should find out what drove the CDC to go from one extreme (recommending masks outdoors, even for vaccinated) to the other opposite extreme (no masks needed anywhere) - all within the span of two weeks. no doubt some chamber of commerce lobbying money was involved. Have you been wearing yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhineasC said: How does making the vaxxed mask help anything? That’s what I am asking. Why ask me? I don’t think it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Why ask me? I don’t think it does I didn’t ask you, originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: I’m not going around and around with you and play your little games. Like I’ve said a million times, vaxed people, even if they get exposed, the viral load is low enough that even if they get the sniffles, they’re most likely not gonna spread it like Chernobyl. Im tired of going around with you. Sometimes you make really good points and other times you dumb as a brick bat. But I suspect 90% of what you do is troll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMB WX Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, fujiwara79 said: LOL @ the anti-maskers on this forum. Looking forward to mask field reports again. It was pretty obvious masks would come back; that's because the CDC new guidance from May made no sense. we should find out what drove the CDC to go from one extreme (recommending masks outdoors, even for vaccinated) to the other opposite extreme (no masks needed anywhere) - all within the span of two weeks. no doubt some chamber of commerce lobbying money was involved. money, wage slavery, and ignorance rule this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Well, that didn’t take long… https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/27/politics/vaccine-mandate-for-federal-employees-under-consideration/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Seeing some reports that the “experts” are saying that the vaccinated can spread delta just as much as the unvaccinated? So much for the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” narrative. Keep away from me, vaccinated plague carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, PhineasC said: How does making the vaxxed mask help anything? That’s what I am asking. Because those that are vaxxed are likely more willing to put the mask back on vs those that are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, PhineasC said: Seeing some reports that the “experts” are saying that the vaccinated can spread delta just as much as the unvaccinated? So much for the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” narrative. Keep away from me, vaccinated plague carriers. From where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 42 minutes ago, PhineasC said: If you stop worrying about cases, it all magically goes away. Bad take last March. Bad take today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Baroclinic Zone said: Because those that are vaxxed are likely more willing to put the mask back on vs those that are not. Do you agree they can spread the virus around and kill people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: Bad take last March. Bad take today You’ll never get away from COVID unless you stop tracking cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hoosier said: From where? It has been scrubbed from the original USA Today article, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, PhineasC said: You’ll never get away from COVID unless you stop tracking cases. People suggested that too much testing was happening last year and it should stop. It’s still a pandemic. Might be a good idea that people know if they are at risk. Not sure how this is hard to grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: People suggested that too much testing was happening last year and it should stop. It’s still a pandemic. Might be a good idea that people know if they are at risk. Not sure how this is hard to grasp. People can still get tested all they want. But why base public policy on cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just now, PhineasC said: People can still get tested all they want. But why base public policy on cases? If it were up to me I would be basing it primarily on factors like hospitalizations and deaths. Cases can be a barometer but prob not as important imho. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, PhineasC said: It has been scrubbed from the original USA Today article, apparently. That’s likely just very poor writing. It does NOT state that the vaccinated could have higher levels of virus THAN THE UNVACCINATED, which you imply. It could simply mean that the vaccinated could have higher levels of virus THAN ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, which was zero or minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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