weatherextreme Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 SPC D5 15% highlighted outlook Day 4-8 Convective Outlook NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 0354 AM CDT Mon Apr 19 2021 ..DISCUSSION... A shortwave trough should move eastward across the Southwest on Day 4/Thursday. Low-level moisture return appears likely across parts of the southern Plains into Day 5/Friday, as lee cyclogenesis occurs across the southern High Plains ahead of the approaching upper trough. Run-to-run consistency over the past several runs of the deterministic ECMWF lends confidence that the shortwave trough should eject eastward over the southern Plains on Friday. Increasing low-level moisture to the east of a dryline/cold front and steep mid-level lapse rates should support at least moderate instability in a corridor across parts of OK and TX by Friday afternoon. Strong mid-level flow and related deep-layer shear appear more than sufficient for organized severe storms, including supercells. As mid-level height falls/ascent overspread the warm sector, robust convective development should occur, with at least isolated severe storms potentially spreading eastward towards southeast TX Friday evening/night. Confidence in this scenario occurring has increased enough to include a 15% severe area for Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The trend appears to be feeding better instability and moisture up to I-40 now. It’s in weenie NAM land, but the fact that the 12km shows very sparse convection with minimal CIN in central/southern Oklahoma toward 00z, catches your attention. Without getting into specifics, as the forecast will evolve, it definitely bears watching from roughly the DFW - OKC area. Could see isolated convection farther south as well, as we’ve seen a few times this month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Big D3 slight with a large sig-severe hatch covering Austin, DFW, and OKC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Day has some similarities to 4/22 (Springer/Madill) last year being right at the base of the trough with cold air aloft promoting a lot of 0-3 km CAPE and strong updraft accelerations. Ingredients that I'd look for more of are low level flow/moisture depth and also the eastward extent of the warm sector. I'm wondering if some warmer temps closer to I-35 could promote a threat closer to the main LLJ axis, which would raise the tornado threat for DFW north to OKC. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 Most models have a cluster of storms in east Texas, with possible higher storm-relative helicity and higher dew points around 68F. This part could be quite messy, but it could result in several tornadoes reports. Otherwise, models show convection near the cold front, possibly 00z-06z, which could be somewhat significant as well. Perhaps one of the more interesting questions is if any storms will go up near the dryline. So, overall, kind of a complicated scenario. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 It’s definitely complicated. Reminds me of a tamer version of 5/9/16. Recall that SPC and some others (like me) thought the warm sector looked better. The dryline went nuts in what was almost a colossal bust on my end. Also seeing some shades of Springer as well. The new HRRR has a late CI bias, but other models also show limited QPF/CI signals. I actually like that. If you do get an isolated storm or two, then they have a chance to go bonkers. Forecast soundings ahead of the dryline show classic thermodynamic profiles and while hodographs may not be extremely large, I’d gather they’d support a photogenic supercell. CI near the triple point seems to have the best model support, but that might get undercut by the cold front. I pulled some warm sector soundings and low-level lapse rates look rather anemic. The dryline south of the Red River seems like the biggest wild card that could go boom or bust in a big way. At the very least, the Plains is waking up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 At this point, it's looking like (per usual) the widespread convection tomorrow will be just east of DFW. But it's a much closer call than we've had all season. CINH looks to be non-existent and the forcing will be stronger. If things slow down slightly or initiate a bit earlier, it could be a different story. I don't expect anything along the dryline if the warm sector storms blow up and work over the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 It looks like a lead, subtle perturbation in the warm air advection regime sets off a mess of convection by midday across central/eastern Texas into eastern Oklahoma. While the HRRR lacks CI away from the triple point area in NW OK (which gets undercut by a cold front), the 3km NAM and WRF/ARW members are much more active in SW OK. Looking at the HRRR forecast soundings, I’m not quite sure why it doesn’t initiate convection there. It shows virtually no CIN, temperatures reaching convT and large CAPE profiles. I’m guessing it has to do with overzealous mixing and/or the tendency for HRRR to be too late with CI. The setup does seem a bit off. Maybe a touch too slow as some have mentioned, at least in comparison to 4/22/20. The HRRR is furthest north, while the 3km NAM places the triple point the farthest southwest. At this juncture, I’d say Texas is mostly out of any dryline action, with the only possible exception being if the low tracks farther south. If the 3km were onto a trend, maybe you see storms initiate in far NW Texas. The surging cold front looks like it will undercut storms closer to the surface low in western OK. We may have to wait until morning to really get a better idea of specifics, but I wouldn’t write this setup off yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 No changes in the latest update to the SPC's Day 2 Outlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 000 FXUS64 KFWD 230112 AAA AFDFWD Area Forecast Discussion...UPDATED National Weather Service Fort Worth TX 812 PM CDT Thu Apr 22 2021 ...New Short Term, Aviation... .SHORT TERM... /NEW/ /Through Friday Night/ The primary weather concern over the next short term forecast period revolves around chances for severe convection across North and Central Texas. Friday will be a day that individuals should monitor the weather closely from a trusted source as severe weather will likely strike quickly. In addition, there will be a risk for areas of fog/drizzle that could reduce visibility down to below 1 mile. Surface analysis in tandem with satellite imagery indicated a conveyor of richer near surface moisture extended from South Texas northwestward toward western reaches of the Hill Country. Ceiling observations in tandem with aircraft data (AMDAR) from Dallas Love Field and our presently ascending 00 UTC weather balloon showed a large amount of dry air from near 5,000 feet toward the surface across North and Central Texas. While the radarscope has slowly continued to illuminate thanks to increased mid-upper level ascent (implied by increasing high clouds), I think we`ll be hard pressed to measure any rainfall over the next 6 to 12 hours thanks to the aformentioned dry air. As a result, I`ve opted for a mention of sprinkles as opposed to rain showers for many areas through 12 UTC Friday, though a few areas may measure south of I-20 and west of US HWY 281 as ceilings fall below 1,000 feet during the pre-dawn hours on Friday. A warm front extended from near Del Rio to Victoria this evening and thanks to observed surface pressure falls between 2-4 mbar over the past several hours, this boundary should have no problem lifting northward tonight. As it does, we`ll see an increased advection fog potential between 3 am and sunrise across western Central Texas and likely our initial shower and thunderstorm development after sunrise Friday. While advective in nature, fog processes may be hindered some as 925mb flow is expected to remain quite turbulence and as a result of this, I`ll omit the mention of "dense" fog from the worded forecast. However, we`ll monitor this potential during the overnight hours. One of the more significant changes made to the forecast (though I`m still very cautious about this) was to delay the wording of "severe" in the zones until the afternoon. Initial glances at some of the hi- res model guidance would suggest that deep convection could fire as early as 15 UTC. However, taking a look at some of the synoptic guidance, it doesn`t appear that appreciable height falls associated with the main PV anomaly currently across western Arizona will not impinge upon our area until closer to 17-18 UTC. Moreover, there`s still a little bit of remnant capping evident in forecast soundings so the potential for surface based convection in the morning looks low at this time. I still show high chance PoPs (50%) through 16 UTC for areas near/southwest of a Jacksboro to Waco to Temple line, but I believe the potential for a larger coverage of severe weather may not occur until Friday afternoon...closer to 18-19 UTC (more in accordance with the NSSL WRF and NCEP WRF ARW core). It`s possible that even this timing may be a little too early. Does that mean that we won`t have severe weather across our area in the morning? NO! In fact, IF elevated convection gets going along the northward lifting warm front, it`ll certainly have a large hail potential given 0-6km bulk wind differences of 50 knots and 700-500mb lapse rates closer to 8 C/km. Because this activity is expected to be elevated, I believe the damaging wind and tornado threat will be low. Any surface based storm near the warm front, however, will need to be monitored closely for a damaging wind and/or tornado threat! As stronger forcing for ascent emerges from the west, I do believe that both newly formed and any ongoing convection will strengthen very, very quickly. While widespread cloud cover will likely dampen what would otherwise be much higher instability values, CAPE is still progged to average out to around 2000 J/kg across our area in a strongly sheared environment (supportive of supercellular structures). Forecast soundings suggest that the high shear and steep lapse rates would facilitate large to potentially significant hail sizes (2+ in diameter), along with damaging winds. 0-1 km shear values from hi-res guidance suggest that these values will be maximized to the south and east of the Metroplex, and thus I would anticipate a greater tornado risk here. However, low level SRH may also increase farther north across Northeast Texas (near and east of US HWY 75) depending on where the frontal boundary stalls and any storm interacting with the warm front (or any additional boundary) will have an enhanced wind and tornado threat. Storms will likely exit East Texas between 03-06 UTC, but the dryline appears that it`ll lag back to the west. A cold front is expected to crash southward from Oklahoma Friday night and normally this would present another opportunity for additional convection to fire. However, we`ll be on the subsident side of the upper trough and this will likely suppress any deep convection. However, they`ll likely be attempts along the boundary and if an updrafts can realize what should still be unstable air, there could be a brief strong to severe weather threat after midnight. Bain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 That said, I'm still concerned most of the widespread/organized convection will miss DFW just to the south and east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Protection Program Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Any chatter that the SPC might upgrade from the Slight risk category? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhirlingWx Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 41 minutes ago, Powerball said: That said, I'm still concerned most of the widespread/organized convection will miss DFW just to the south and east. Last year on 4/22, here in DFW we were sandwiched between the two modes, with the northern mode producing strong tornadoes along the Red River into southern OK, and the southern mode producing the long-track supercell from east/southeast TX into LA and even into MS(?), dropping sigtors along parts of its path. We ended up with a cap bust here. Given the comparisons to that day (I am aware that nobody is necessarily calling for a repeat of that by any means), it seems like we might once again be sandwiched in that spot between the two main focuses for severe weather. Obviously that's not to say that we won't see any ourselves (we may or may not), but it does seem like we're getting caught in between two higher probability corridors again. One difference (of many) between tomorrow and 4/22/20 also lies in the surface temperatures. I remember last year, we were like in the mid-to-upper 80s, but this time around we well likely be 10+ degrees cooler. Frankly, I could see an upgrade to enhanced by SPC, but probably for portions of eastern TX where the coverage of severe storms might warrant higher probabilities (in my opinion). Obviously would not be surprised to see storms get pretty grungy there though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, TexMexWx said: Last year on 4/22, here in DFW we were sandwiched between the two modes, with the northern mode producing strong tornadoes along the Red River into southern OK, and the southern mode producing the long-track supercell from east/southeast TX into LA and even into MS(?), dropping sigtors along parts of its path. We ended up with a cap bust here. Given the comparisons to that day (I am aware that nobody is necessarily calling for a repeat of that by any means), it seems like we might once again be sandwiched in that spot between the two main focuses for severe weather. Obviously that's not to say that we won't see any ourselves (we may or may not), but it does seem like we're getting caught in between two higher probability corridors again. One difference (of many) between tomorrow and 4/22/20 also lies in the surface temperatures. I remember last year, we were like in the mid-to-upper 80s, but this time around we well likely be 10+ degrees cooler. Frankly, I could see an upgrade to enhanced by SPC, but probably for portions of eastern TX where the coverage of severe storms might warrant higher probabilities (in my opinion). Obviously would not be surprised to see storms get pretty grungy there though. Hi-Res models have been mixed on convection coverage locally. Some go bonkers (like the 3km NAM and RGEM), and others give us the middle finger (NMMB and ARW) This time though, the cap won't be an issue. It's going to be where the best forcing and convergence sets up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhirlingWx Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Powerball said: Hi-Res models have been mixed on convection coverage locally. Some go bonkers (like the 3km NAM and RGEM), and others give us the middle finger (NMMB and ARW) Yeah, I wanted to give some meaningful model analysis, but models are still pretty inconsistent even under 24 hours out (for DFW area, specifically), so I just didn't want to bother haha 7 minutes ago, Powerball said: This time though, the cap won't be an issue. It's going to be where the best forcing and convergence sets up. Agreed on this as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, TexMexWx said: Last year on 4/22, here in DFW we were sandwiched between the two modes, with the northern mode producing strong tornadoes along the Red River into southern OK, and the southern mode producing the long-track supercell from east/southeast TX into LA and even into MS(?), dropping sigtors along parts of its path. We ended up with a cap bust here. Given the comparisons to that day (I am aware that nobody is necessarily calling for a repeat of that by any means), it seems like we might once again be sandwiched in that spot between the two main focuses for severe weather. Obviously that's not to say that we won't see any ourselves (we may or may not), but it does seem like we're getting caught in between two higher probability corridors again. One difference (of many) between tomorrow and 4/22/20 also lies in the surface temperatures. I remember last year, we were like in the mid-to-upper 80s, but this time around we well likely be 10+ degrees cooler. Frankly, I could see an upgrade to enhanced by SPC, but probably for portions of eastern TX where the coverage of severe storms might warrant higher probabilities (in my opinion). Obviously would not be surprised to see storms get pretty grungy there though. Good call on the day 1 enhanced risk from the SPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormdragonwx Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Just now, Powerball said: Good call on the day 1 enhanced risk from the SPC. Yup nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cstrunk Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 The East Texas and Louisiana threat looks pretty dang messy and will be in questionable to poor chase terrain. The extreme NW Texas threat looks like a pretty good bet to at least see 2-3 isolated supercells. The tornado threat may be a tad bit lower but from a storm chasing perspective, that's where I would target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Enhanced risk has been added by the SPC over south central OK, including OKC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Eastern part of the sig hail threat trimmed back substantially Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Combo of SDS and FOMO today was real with me today. Left KC prior to 8am for somewhere between Childress to Wichita Falls. Like my chances of a photogenic supercell. Ingredients *could* materialize for a decent tornado threat from 23-01z. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonOH Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Still having mist in Wichita Falls. Cloud deck is pretty thick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 It looks like things are now trying to get going just to the west of Brownwood, TX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 On the latest outlook from the SPC, the enhanced risk areas have been shuffled around a bit. The one covering Eastern TX / LA was shifted SW and now extends into all of far southern MS, and the one covering south central OK was expanded westward. Otherwise, I don't see any other major changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Powerball said: On the latest outlook from the SPC, the enhanced risk areas have been shuffled around a bit. The one covering Eastern TX / LA was shifted SW and now extends into all of far southern MS, and the one covering south central OK was expanded westward. Otherwise, I don't see any other major changes Correction: A 30% hail area was added in SW OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhirlingWx Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 The discussion also mentions that an increase in tornado probabilities could be deemed necessary in the next outlook for the eastern enhanced risk area. Still yet to be determined how each threat area unfolds, obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Mesoscale Discussion 0405 NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK 1129 AM CDT Fri Apr 23 2021 Areas affected...portions of northern and central Texas Concerning...Severe potential...Watch likely Valid 231629Z - 231800Z Probability of Watch Issuance...95 percent SUMMARY...Thunderstorm activity is expected to increase over the next couple of hours. Large hail and locally damaging wind gusts will be possible with this activity through the afternoon/evening. A severe thunderstorm watch will likely be needed by 18z. DISCUSSION...An area of deepening, midlevel convection atop the EML across west-central TX is evident in radar and visible satellite imagery as of 16z. This is indicative of increasing large-scale ascent now spreading into western TX, in conjunction with continued warm advection/increasing moisture beneath the weakening EML. Over the next couple of hours, convection is expected to continue to increase with a slow erosion of the cap. This may result in a mix of elevated storms, transitioning toward surface-based convection through the afternoon. Very steep midlevel lapse rates (7.5-8.5 C/km) and favorable, elongated hodographs will support large hail. PW values increasing to around 1.5-1.75 with northward extent, and increasing low level flow will also promote strong/locally damaging gusts. ..Leitman/Hart.. 04/23/2021 ...Please see www.spc.noaa.gov for graphic product... ATTN...WFO...HGX...FWD...OUN...EWX...SJT... LAT...LON 29309832 29519883 29789911 30589935 31169932 31449930 34059863 34319832 34409769 34349711 34259672 33769649 33179633 32929633 30459625 29629661 29319716 29269775 29309832 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhirlingWx Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Storm in Hood county could be a problem for Tarrant county later on if it keeps strengthening wrt hail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 RGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 98 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1240 PM CDT FRI APR 23 2021 THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A * SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA NORTH-CENTRAL AND CENTRAL TEXAS * EFFECTIVE THIS FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 1240 PM UNTIL 800 PM CDT. * PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE... SCATTERED LARGE HAIL AND ISOLATED VERY LARGE HAIL EVENTS TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER LIKELY SCATTERED DAMAGING WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH LIKELY A TORNADO OR TWO POSSIBLE SUMMARY...THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO INTENSIFY THIS AFTERNOON ACROSS THE WATCH AREA, WITH A FEW STORMS BECOMING SEVERE. LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS WILL BE THE MAIN THREATS, ALTHOUGH A TORNADO OR TWO IS ALSO POSSIBLE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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