LongBeachSurfFreak Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, crossbowftw3 said: 6z came back west also I doubt you get 6” of snow when considering this is happening in the morning. Gotta account for sun angle killing ratios. Even if you get moderate snow for 4 hours or so. You need some impressive rates for this time of year to make it stick He’s got some elevation so that helps allot this time of year. Mt. Pocono at over 2,000’ will do real well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Euro was meh if you love warm weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossbowftw3 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: He’s got some elevation so that helps allot this time of year. Mt. Pocono at over 2,000’ will do real well. Of course, comparatively speaking I only have 750-800’ whereas Liberty is 1500’. 1-3” for the far NW people still works with him probably winning the jackpot at 4” or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Euro was meh if you love warm weather Expected us to deal with the ULL cut off near New England 4/4 - 4/9 so with that came the onshore flow and potential cloudiness. It may windup near normal but temps may stay capped in the upper 50s / low 60s max and perhaps a 40s day or two depending on the influnce of the onshore /NE flow. April should see a migration to a much warmer second half and feature a warm or hot period later or to close in the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 These cool downs and blockier intervals following an early 80°+ day have become common in recent years. So the early April freeze coming up following the 80s last week isn’t a surprise. The first 80° at Newark has moved up nearly one month since the 1970s. The average back then was 4-23 and 3-30 since 2011. But the last freeze date has only moved up 4 days over the same period from 4-7 in the 70s to 4-3 since 2010. First/Last Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year First Value Last Value Difference Minimum 03-29 (1977) 09-16 (1971) 127 Mean 04-23 10-05 165 Maximum 05-19 (1975) 11-01 (1974) 204 1970 05-02 (1970) 80 10-08 (1970) 80 158 1971 05-11 (1971) 82 09-16 (1971) 85 127 1972 04-19 (1972) 87 09-27 (1972) 85 160 1973 04-19 (1973) 80 10-05 (1973) 82 168 1974 04-22 (1974) 81 11-01 (1974) 81 192 1975 05-19 (1975) 81 10-15 (1975) 84 148 1976 04-16 (1976) 82 09-20 (1976) 82 156 1977 03-29 (1977) 80 09-19 (1977) 84 173 1978 04-01 (1978) 82 10-23 (1978) 82 204 1979 04-23 (1979) 80 10-23 (1979) 80 182 1980 05-03 (1980) 83 09-23 (1980) 85 142 First/Last Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year First Value Last Value Difference Minimum 02-21 (2018) 09-28 (2014) 167 Mean 03-29 10-08 192 Maximum 04-18 (2015) 10-21 (2017) 231 2011 03-18 (2011) 80 10-10 (2011) 85 205 2012 04-15 (2012) 80 10-05 (2012) 81 172 2013 04-09 (2013) 85 10-07 (2013) 80 180 2014 04-13 (2014) 83 09-28 (2014) 87 167 2015 04-18 (2015) 82 10-09 (2015) 81 173 2016 03-09 (2016) 82 10-19 (2016) 87 223 2017 04-10 (2017) 82 10-21 (2017) 81 193 2018 02-21 (2018) 80 10-11 (2018) 81 231 2019 04-08 (2019) 80 10-07 (2019) 80 181 2020 03-20 (2020) 80 09-28 (2020) 81 191 2021 03-26 (2021) 84 - - - Frost/Freeze Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Season Length Minimum 03-21 (1973) 10-19 (1976) 189 Mean 04-07 11-06 213 Maximum 04-17 (1980) 11-29 (1979) 235 1970 04-11 (1970) 32 11-23 (1970) 26 225 1971 03-26 (1971) 31 11-08 (1971) 32 226 1972 04-09 (1972) 29 10-20 (1972) 31 193 1973 03-21 (1973) 32 11-10 (1973) 31 233 1974 04-10 (1974) 31 10-19 (1974) 31 191 1975 04-13 (1975) 32 10-30 (1975) 32 199 1976 04-12 (1976) 27 10-19 (1976) 30 189 1977 04-09 (1977) 26 11-12 (1977) 32 216 1978 04-03 (1978) 31 11-25 (1978) 32 235 1979 04-08 (1979) 31 11-29 (1979) 32 234 1980 04-17 (1980) 30 11-03 (1980) 30 199 Frost/Freeze Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Season Length Minimum 03-24 (2017) 10-19 (2015) 196 Mean 04-03 11-08 217 Maximum 04-17 (2020) 11-28 (2016) 244 2010 03-27 (2010) 28 11-27 (2010) 32 244 2011 03-29 (2011) 32 10-31 (2011) 32 215 2012 03-27 (2012) 30 11-06 (2012) 27 223 2013 04-04 (2013) 31 11-04 (2013) 32 213 2014 04-16 (2014) 31 11-08 (2014) 32 205 2015 03-29 (2015) 25 10-19 (2015) 31 203 2016 04-10 (2016) 31 11-28 (2016) 32 231 2017 03-24 (2017) 31 11-10 (2017) 25 230 2018 04-11 (2018) 32 11-10 (2018) 32 212 2019 04-01 (2019) 32 11-08 (2019) 29 220 2020 04-17 (2020) 32 10-31 (2020) 32 196 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LibertyBell Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 17 hours ago, bluewave said: These cool downs and blockier intervals following an early 80°+ day have become common in recent years. So the early April freeze coming up following the 80s last week isn’t a surprise. The first 80° at Newark has moved up nearly one month since the 1970s. The average back then was 4-23 and 3-30 since 2011. But the last freeze date has only moved up 4 days over the same period from 4-7 in the 70s to 4-3 since 2010. First/Last Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year First Value Last Value Difference Minimum 03-29 (1977) 09-16 (1971) 127 Mean 04-23 10-05 165 Maximum 05-19 (1975) 11-01 (1974) 204 1970 05-02 (1970) 80 10-08 (1970) 80 158 1971 05-11 (1971) 82 09-16 (1971) 85 127 1972 04-19 (1972) 87 09-27 (1972) 85 160 1973 04-19 (1973) 80 10-05 (1973) 82 168 1974 04-22 (1974) 81 11-01 (1974) 81 192 1975 05-19 (1975) 81 10-15 (1975) 84 148 1976 04-16 (1976) 82 09-20 (1976) 82 156 1977 03-29 (1977) 80 09-19 (1977) 84 173 1978 04-01 (1978) 82 10-23 (1978) 82 204 1979 04-23 (1979) 80 10-23 (1979) 80 182 1980 05-03 (1980) 83 09-23 (1980) 85 142 First/Last Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year First Value Last Value Difference Minimum 02-21 (2018) 09-28 (2014) 167 Mean 03-29 10-08 192 Maximum 04-18 (2015) 10-21 (2017) 231 2011 03-18 (2011) 80 10-10 (2011) 85 205 2012 04-15 (2012) 80 10-05 (2012) 81 172 2013 04-09 (2013) 85 10-07 (2013) 80 180 2014 04-13 (2014) 83 09-28 (2014) 87 167 2015 04-18 (2015) 82 10-09 (2015) 81 173 2016 03-09 (2016) 82 10-19 (2016) 87 223 2017 04-10 (2017) 82 10-21 (2017) 81 193 2018 02-21 (2018) 80 10-11 (2018) 81 231 2019 04-08 (2019) 80 10-07 (2019) 80 181 2020 03-20 (2020) 80 09-28 (2020) 81 191 2021 03-26 (2021) 84 - - - Frost/Freeze Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Season Length Minimum 03-21 (1973) 10-19 (1976) 189 Mean 04-07 11-06 213 Maximum 04-17 (1980) 11-29 (1979) 235 1970 04-11 (1970) 32 11-23 (1970) 26 225 1971 03-26 (1971) 31 11-08 (1971) 32 226 1972 04-09 (1972) 29 10-20 (1972) 31 193 1973 03-21 (1973) 32 11-10 (1973) 31 233 1974 04-10 (1974) 31 10-19 (1974) 31 191 1975 04-13 (1975) 32 10-30 (1975) 32 199 1976 04-12 (1976) 27 10-19 (1976) 30 189 1977 04-09 (1977) 26 11-12 (1977) 32 216 1978 04-03 (1978) 31 11-25 (1978) 32 235 1979 04-08 (1979) 31 11-29 (1979) 32 234 1980 04-17 (1980) 30 11-03 (1980) 30 199 Frost/Freeze Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date. Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Last Value First Value Season Length Minimum 03-24 (2017) 10-19 (2015) 196 Mean 04-03 11-08 217 Maximum 04-17 (2020) 11-28 (2016) 244 2010 03-27 (2010) 28 11-27 (2010) 32 244 2011 03-29 (2011) 32 10-31 (2011) 32 215 2012 03-27 (2012) 30 11-06 (2012) 27 223 2013 04-04 (2013) 31 11-04 (2013) 32 213 2014 04-16 (2014) 31 11-08 (2014) 32 205 2015 03-29 (2015) 25 10-19 (2015) 31 203 2016 04-10 (2016) 31 11-28 (2016) 32 231 2017 03-24 (2017) 31 11-10 (2017) 25 230 2018 04-11 (2018) 32 11-10 (2018) 32 212 2019 04-01 (2019) 32 11-08 (2019) 29 220 2020 04-17 (2020) 32 10-31 (2020) 32 196 In the not too distant past our last freezes used to be after April 10th Our last freezes are actually moving more quickly to earlier than our first freezes are moving to later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 18 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: He’s got some elevation so that helps allot this time of year. Mt. Pocono at over 2,000’ will do real well. I wonder how well my Poconos location will do at 2200 ft I am halfway between Mt Pocono and Allentown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Picked up 0.27" of rain for the day yesterday. Current temp 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 March ended at 45.8[+3.3]. The first 8 days of April are averaging 48degs.(40/56), or about -1.0. Looks like a boring two weeks coming up with little rain or T breakouts either way. The first 15 days are averaging 49degs.(42/55), about -2.0----lower than indicated in late March for this period. *** 44%(84%RH) here at 6am. (was 56* at 2am) 42* at 11am. 45* by 1pm. 47* at 2pm. 51* near 5pm. 48* at 6pm. ***Monthly Forecast in trouble here? Does show a progressive se. cooling as March headed for the finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossbowftw3 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 mood flakes. 34/33 nothing sticking (shocking I know) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastalplainsnowman Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 4 hours ago, LibertyBell said: In the not too distant past our last freezes used to be after April 10th Our last freezes are actually moving more quickly to earlier than our first freezes are moving to later. The surprise for me with this data is how commonplace it was even going back to the 1970s, to hit 80 in April, with a mean of April 23rd. Would never have guessed that. Always thought that hitting 80 before May was a fluke. Edit: Same for 80s in October. Always thought that was unusual too, but apparently that was commonplace in the 70s too. The range between them has expanded for sure tho, as shown by bluewave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, coastalplainsnowman said: The surprise for me with this data is how commonplace it was even going back to the 1970s, to hit 80 in April, with a mean of April 23rd. Would never have guessed that. Always thought that hitting 80 before May was a fluke. Edit: Same for 80s in October. Always thought that was unusual too, but apparently that was commonplace in the 70s too. The range between them has expanded for sure tho, as shown by bluewave. That's what I was alluding to in a post a week or so ago. Spring seemed like it used to be warmer and drier earlier in the season, like it was more pleasant for more days than it has been for the last decade or so. I don't remember so many days affected by back door cold fronts and I (think I) remember planting the garden earlier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestHillWx Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Flurries mixing. Temp 37. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Nasty day 41 and some light rain here and there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Morning thoughts... Light rain will end this morning. The clouds will gradually give break during the afternoon. It will become breezy. Temperatures will likely reach the upper 40s and lower 50s across much of the region this afternoon before falling toward evening. Likely high temperatures include: New York City (Central Park): 50° Newark: 52° Philadelphia: 52° Tomorrow will be partly sunny, blustery and unseasonably cold. 30-Day Verification: New York City (Central Park): Average daily forecast: 53.7° Average temperature: 54.2° Average error: 2.1° Newark: Average daily forecast: 55.0° Average temperature: 55.3° Average error: 2.3° Philadelphia: Average daily forecast: 57.3° Average temperature: 57.2° Average error: 1.9° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee59 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 .91 inch of rain here from this latest event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I believe this is the fastest NYC freeze chance after a spring (MAM) 80°day since 1978. Data for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Max Temperature Min Temperature 2021-03-26 82 52 2021-03-27 69 50 2021-03-28 60 48 2021-03-29 55 45 2021-03-30 61 42 2021-03-31 67 50 2021-04-01 M M Data for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Date Max Temperature Min Temperature 1978-04-01 82 47 1978-04-02 61 37 1978-04-03 40 31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 As a strong cold front moved eastward, Binghamton picked up 2.7" snow. That broke the daily record of 1.4", which was set in 1991. It also raised that city's seasonal snowfall to 102.9", which ranks as 17th highest. At 8 pm, readings in and around Newark and New York City were in the lower and middle 40s. Colder air continued to press into the region. Overnight, New York City's Central Park will likely see its first April freeze since April 9, 2018. Both the MOS and NBM are in good agreement about such a freeze. In an area extending from the Gulf States to the Southeast, some near record and record low temperatures are possible tomorrow morning. Tomorrow will be partly to mostly cloudy and unseasonably cold. The temperature will struggle to reach the lower 40s. Moderation will occur during the weekend. Temperatures will likely return to the 60s in the northern Middle Atlantic region by Sunday or Monday. Historic experience following a warm to very warm March suggests a probability that is skewed toward a warmer than normal April. That warmer scenario remains the base case. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.9°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.6°C for the week centered around March 24. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.15°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.67°C. La Niña conditions will likely give way to neutral-cool ENSO conditions as the spring progresses. The SOI was -4.83 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was +1.015 today. On March 31 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.301 (RMM). The March 30-adjusted amplitude was 1.434 (RMM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 It's snowing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Light Snow/gloppy icey stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rjay Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Flurries 4/1/21 T 4/2/21 T 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristateweatherFB Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Steady light to moderate snow at times here in Scarsdale. Sticking on grass and car tops. Roads are wet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I have a question about backdoor fronts. Why they do usually not have a problem with staying north of Southern New Jersey but almost all the time they have a big problem staying north of NYC and Long island. Would like it if it could actually stay north of NYC and Long Island this time. I'm so tired of these misrable overcast drizzly cold raw days every Spring and I would love nothing more than to see a warm sunny week into next weekend this time around. hate that I have to leave my local area and head to southern New Jersey to enjoy the warmth and sun. Would like that front to really stay up in northern new england this time or at least north of NYC and Long Island 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 18 hours ago, coastalplainsnowman said: The surprise for me with this data is how commonplace it was even going back to the 1970s, to hit 80 in April, with a mean of April 23rd. Would never have guessed that. Always thought that hitting 80 before May was a fluke. Edit: Same for 80s in October. Always thought that was unusual too, but apparently that was commonplace in the 70s too. The range between them has expanded for sure tho, as shown by bluewave. 18 hours ago, gravitylover said: That's what I was alluding to in a post a week or so ago. Spring seemed like it used to be warmer and drier earlier in the season, like it was more pleasant for more days than it has been for the last decade or so. I don't remember so many days affected by back door cold fronts and I (think I) remember planting the garden earlier. Yeah I feel that March and April both used to be warmer, that's also a product of having better weather and less rain. That's average temps though, as for extremes, it seems that cold lows happened later and warm highs happened earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Rjay said: Flurries 4/1/21 T 4/2/21 T on long island, right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 6 hours ago, donsutherland1 said: As a strong cold front moved eastward, Binghamton picked up 2.7" snow. That broke the daily record of 1.4", which was set in 1991. It also raised that city's seasonal snowfall to 102.9", which ranks as 17th highest. At 8 pm, readings in and around Newark and New York City were in the lower and middle 40s. Colder air continued to press into the region. Overnight, New York City's Central Park will likely see its first April freeze since April 9, 2018. Both the MOS and NBM are in good agreement about such a freeze. In an area extending from the Gulf States to the Southeast, some near record and record low temperatures are possible tomorrow morning. Tomorrow will be partly to mostly cloudy and unseasonably cold. The temperature will struggle to reach the lower 40s. Moderation will occur during the weekend. Temperatures will likely return to the 60s in the northern Middle Atlantic region by Sunday or Monday. Historic experience following a warm to very warm March suggests a probability that is skewed toward a warmer than normal April. That warmer scenario remains the base case. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.9°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.6°C for the week centered around March 24. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.15°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.67°C. La Niña conditions will likely give way to neutral-cool ENSO conditions as the spring progresses. The SOI was -4.83 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was +1.015 today. On March 31 the MJO was in Phase 4 at an amplitude of 1.301 (RMM). The March 30-adjusted amplitude was 1.434 (RMM). Don why is it that Atlanta will make it down to freezing and we cant get down to at least the mid 20s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Current temp is 30 here. Cold for early April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 The next 8 days are averaging 47degs.(40/54), or about -2.0. 31*(47%RH) here at 6am. (was 39* at midnight) 29* at 7am. 28* at 7:30am. Just got back to 32* at exactly 11am. 35* by 3pm. Reached 39* near 6pm. Still looking dry for at least a week. 850mb T's are going to be near normal 4/04-11, say +1C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 28F this morning. Pretty cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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