rclab Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: There’s a slight difference between a dollar and a dream vs a shot and a nightmare though. Absolutely....... you have better odds with a dollar and a dream, however that is difficult to explain to a person who lost a loved one to a side effect. As always...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 "Until that process is complete, we are recommending this pause. This is important to ensure that the health care provider community is aware of the potential for these adverse events and can plan due to the unique treatment required with this type of blood clot." It's a temporary pause until the treatment needed is understood by providers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: There’s a slight difference between a dollar and a dream vs a shot and a nightmare though. You do realize getting up in the morning Every day carries better odds of dying for your age group , then from a side effect that is 6 out of 3.5 million . The daily odds from getting in a car and operating it are higher . Much much higher . It frightens me if people literally knew the odds of dying from every single thing they do daily and don’t need to . Not bc the odds are significant , but bc people can’t process them and act logically . People just hear the word death and their brain freezes up processing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 "Due to the unique treatment required for the extremely rare side effect found in 6 cases, this has not been fully communicated to healthcare providers, and thus we are temporary halting the JJ vaccine until this treatment can be more thoroughly explained" would have been better messaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, STILL N OF PIKE said: You do realize getting up in the morning Every day carries better odds of dying for your age group , then from a side effect that is 6 out of 3.5 million . The daily odds from getting in a car and operating it are higher . Much much higher . It frightens me if people literally knew the odds of dying from every single thing they do daily and don’t need to . Not bc the odds are significant , but bc people can’t process them and act logically Yes I get that. Let’s not start making all these comparisons though. One can make a case from any angle. My point is, it is better to be transparent and cautious here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 This is going to make more people not wanting to get any vaccine and halt the opening process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, MJO812 said: This is going to make more people not wanting to get any vaccine and halt the opening process. Yes because some will just read the headline or 1st tweet and use it to justify their hesitation in general, unfortunately. There is no nuance any more. Dumbest time to be alive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, MJO812 said: This is going to make more people not wanting to get any vaccine and halt the opening process. Especially faux news viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 hours ago, MJO812 said: Winter 2022 Ray had a thread for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Anti vaxxers are out in full force already You should be careful with any of the vaccines because they aren't FDA approved. They are only approved for emergency use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianW Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: You do realize getting up in the morning Every day carries better odds of dying for your age group , then from a side effect that is 6 out of 3.5 million . The daily odds from getting in a car and operating it are higher . Much much higher . It frightens me if people literally knew the odds of dying from every single thing they do daily and don’t need to . Not bc the odds are significant , but bc people can’t process them and act logically . People just hear the word death and their brain freezes up processing . Yep. Here is CT's covid death rate by age. If your young and healthy your like 4000x more likely to probably die in a car crash or accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 So they are pausing to give doctors a chance to figure out how to treat dangerous blood clots? Yet some of you are still confused as to why millions of people are waiting to get the vaccine until more info comes out about side effects, boosters, etc? Really? This is what happens when you sign up for a vaccine that was tested for six weeks and then rushed to market. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whineminster Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, MJO812 said: This is going to make more people not wanting to get any vaccine and halt the opening process. yup. Had a few ladies at my work already run over and tell me "J&J Shot is on hold", cuz they know it's the shot I got. Now they said they won't get that one due to the clotting. Luckily I'm a dude. Honestly from what I've seen, the Pfizer one is by far and away the best one for efficacy, safety, and least side effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, PhineasC said: This is what happens when you sign up for a vaccine that was tested for six weeks and then rushed to market. That's not quite a fair statement. I've been in drug development over 20 years. I can safely say that there's no drug trial in the world that's big enough to pick up a 6 in 6.5 million side effect. Even if a trial ran 3-4 years with several hundred thousand people, that probably wouldn't have been picked up. 60 million people take Tylenol. On average, there are 50-60k people hospitalized and 500 deaths due to toxicity every year. Pick any drug approved drug on the market and you'll find some reaction. The FDA will put in back on the market within a week. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Whineminster said: Honestly from what I've seen, the Pfizer one is by far and away the best one for efficacy, safety, and least side effects. Both RNA vaccines are pretty comparable. Moderna uses a touch higher RNA amounts. Probably why it has a little more after affects. I'm sure moderna and Pfiizer executives are off the walls this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: That's not quite a fair statement. I've been in drug development over 20 years. I can safely say that there's no drug trial in the world that's big enough to pick up a 6 in 6.5 million side effect. Even if a trial ran 3-4 years with several hundred thousand people, that probably wouldn't have been picked up. 60 million people take Tylenol. On average, there are 50-60k people hospitalized and 500 deaths due to toxicity every year. Pick any drug approved drug on the market and you'll find some reaction. The FDA will put in back on the market within a week. It would have probably only taken one person to get the blood clots while under observation to then give doctors more time to develop therapies to treat it. Tylenol has been around for decades and doctors understand how to treat issues that arise from it. These types of side effects are, of course, unavoidable for a massive, rapid, worldwide vaccine rollout such as this, but the rushed nature of it for a disease that is usually very mild for everyone under 65 years old is going to exacerbate every little issue like this. Some media and political figures have tried to assert that receiving this vaccine is as simple as using mouthwash in the morning and therefore there is "no excuse" for every healthy man, woman, and child to not run right out and get jabbed with the emergency use vaccine ASAP. I really hope there are no fertility or immune issues for people 5-10 years down the line... We need to be focused on those most at risk first. Seems like we are running out of that demand pool, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 11 hours ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: So did gronk He's done, That knee is junk, He's not coming out of retirement and go to TB.........lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, PhineasC said: It would have probably only taken one person to get the blood clots while under observation to then give doctors more time to develop therapies to treat it. Tylenol has been around for decades and doctors understand how to treat issues that arise from it. These types of side effects are, of course, unavoidable for a massive, rapid, worldwide vaccine rollout such as this, but the rushed nature of it for a disease that is usually very mild for everyone under 65 years old is going to exacerbate every little issue like this. Some media and political figures have tried to assert that receiving this vaccine is as simple as using mouthwash in the morning and therefore there is "no excuse" for every healthy man, woman, and child to not run right out and get jabbed with the emergency use vaccine ASAP. I really hope there are no fertility or immune issues for people 5-10 years down the line... We need to be focused on those most at risk first. Seems like we are running out of that demand pool, however. Phin, you know I love ya dude. We're usually on the same page. Not this time. And yes, we know ho to treat blood clots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: You do realize getting up in the morning Every day carries better odds of dying for your age group , then from a side effect that is 6 out of 3.5 million . The daily odds from getting in a car and operating it are higher . Much much higher . It frightens me if people literally knew the odds of dying from every single thing they do daily and don’t need to . Not bc the odds are significant , but bc people can’t process them and act logically . People just hear the word death and their brain freezes up processing . What I hear when I hear the word, "Death". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, dryslot said: He's done, That knee is junk, He's not coming out of retirement and go to TB.........lol Yes I get that. I wasn't serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Pick any drug approved drug on the market and you'll find some reaction. All I can think of is the end of every drug commercial that lists all the possible side effects... including just about everything short of an alien life form coming out of your rectum. "Ask your doctor, this drug is a miracle but in rare cases...." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, dryslot said: He's done, That knee is junk, He's not coming out of retirement and go to TB.........lol Not with Pickles's 96 y.o. grandmother under center 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, PhineasC said: It would have probably only taken one person to get the blood clots while under observation to then give doctors more time to develop therapies to treat it. Tylenol has been around for decades and doctors understand how to treat issues that arise from it. These types of side effects are, of course, unavoidable for a massive, rapid, worldwide vaccine rollout such as this, but the rushed nature of it for a disease that is usually very mild for everyone under 65 years old is going to exacerbate every little issue like this. Some media and political figures have tried to assert that receiving this vaccine is as simple as using mouthwash in the morning and therefore there is "no excuse" for every healthy man, woman, and child to not run right out and get jabbed with the emergency use vaccine ASAP. I really hope there are no fertility or immune issues for people 5-10 years down the line... We need to be focused on those most at risk first. Seems like we are running out of that demand pool, however. How would that ever happen with an mRNA vaccine? Is that even possible? The half life of the spike protein is so short, any potential side effects would be manifested quite quickly. (weeks, at most a few months) "For purposes of mRNA-based therapies, modifications have been developed to keep the molecule in cells long enough to allow for the therapy to be successful. But even with this, the mRNA will not lead to protein production for more than 10-14 days." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said: How would that ever happen with an mRNA vaccine? Is that even possible? The half life of the spike protein is so short, any potential side effects would be manifested quite quickly. (weeks, at most a few months) "For purposes of mRNA-based therapies, modifications have been developed to keep the molecule in cells long enough to allow for the therapy to be successful. But even with this, the mRNA will not lead to protein production for more than 10-14 days." Damage to fertility might not be seen for years if the subject is not trying to have children until that time. Fertility issues and drugs/vaccines is always a concern in the back of my head. So many people have fertility issues now already. Women who want to become pregnant some day should really weigh the risk/reward here, IMO. No clue why 6 women had deadly blood clots or why the AstraZeneca vaccine was pulled from most of Europe due to blood clots either. This is why vaccines are tested for years before full approval. It's why many people are waiting. If you have a rare reaction to the vaccine, it is good to know the doctors have seen it before and can treat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Yes I get that. I wasn't serious. I laugh because there’s actually people out there that think that’s the reason why he’s doing it, To get to TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, powderfreak said: All I can think of is the end of every drug commercial that lists all the possible side effects... including just about everything short of an alien life form coming out of your rectum. "Ask your doctor, this drug is a miracle but in rare cases...." Yes, but those side effects are already known to doctors, hence being in the commercial. This vaccine is not being marketed as "possibly causes deadly blood clots in women," is it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, PhineasC said: Damage to fertility might not be seen for years if the subject is not trying to have children until that time. Fertility issues and drugs/vaccines is always a concern in the back of my head. So many people have fertility issues now already. Women who want to become pregnant some day should really weigh the risk/reward here, IMO. No clue why 6 women had deadly blood clots or why the AstraZeneca vaccine was pulled from most of Europe due to blood clots either. This is why vaccines are tested for years before full approval. It's why many people are waiting. If you have a rare reaction to the vaccine, it is good to know the doctors have seen it before and can treat it. I don't disagree. I was similar to you in not wanting to get the vaccine at all. But changed my mind after doing lots of research on the Pfizer one. My mom has advanced stage 4 cancer as well and I take her to treatments every week with a hospital full of cancer patients. I feel quite safe with the one I got. I think mRNA vaccines are the future, the possibilities with the new technology is amazing. The old style vaccines like J&J and Astra are the ones having the side effects it seems. However, minuscule they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Phin, you know I love ya dude. We're usually on the same page. Not this time. And yes, we know ho to treat blood clots. I don't think we even disagree. I agree with you that the FDA will have this back on the market in a couple weeks, at most. Side effects happen when you take a vaccine and immediately start administering it to the entire world at rapid (warp) speed. I'm just trying to explain to you all how this fits in the thinking from those who are waiting to get the vaccine because they are very low risk. By all means, the rest of you keep on getting jabs in arms. I encourage anyone who is even slightly worried about COVID to get as many jabs in their arms as possible. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, PhineasC said: This is why vaccines are tested for years before full approval. I'm not sure why you persist with this argument. I've told you that an event this rare would most assuredly not been picked up. I do know a little about what I'm talking about . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, dryslot said: He's done, That knee is junk, He's not coming out of retirement and go to TB.........lol He'd lose his two million insurance if he did that and there's no way he can play anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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