PhineasC Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 You'd have to be really ignorant of history to think giving the Federal govt all this power means they will never use it again once the current "crisis" has passed. LOL Whenever people tell me it'll all be back to normal once we have enough "jabs in arms" I ask them if they still have to take off their shoes at the airport 20+ years later. That always makes them stop in their tracks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Where things are really getting out of control is India...pretty ugly there. Brazil. They had like 4200+ deaths the other day. Worse than any US day with 2/3 the population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Worldwide this has killed about 2.9 million people. Third worst since the Black Plague in the 1300s (including HIV/AIDS which was over a longer period of time). Still a pretty big deal. Many(not all) of the precautions etc were warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Brazil. They had like 4200+ deaths the other day. Worse than any US day with 2/3 the population ughhh that's horrific. The strain that has developed there is no joke. Might be the scariest one of them all. I mean look at the Canucks...top fit athletes very young and some are in not very good condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, weatherwiz said: ughhh that's horrific. The strain that has developed there is no joke. Might be the scariest one of them all. I mean look at the Canucks...top fit athletes very young and some are in not very good condition. I honestly had not heard about that outbreak. They should be fine considering age and fitness. Who is in rough shape? It took E Rodriguez on the Sox 9+ months to recover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: Worldwide this has killed about 2.9 million people. Third worst since the Black Plague in the 1300s (including HIV/AIDS which was over a longer period of time). Still a pretty big deal. Many(not all) of the precautions etc were warranted. The prior flu epidemics ravaged healthy young people, though. This disease is by far most deadly for sedentary, elderly, obese, sick people, of which the industrialized world has an abundance. That's why it seemed to make no sense to quarantine the young, healthy workers and kids we need to keep the economy going and protect our future society. Locking them up gained the sick old people very little in the way of add'l safety IMO but wrecked millions of lives. The number one thing we did to reduce deaths was to protect the nursing homes, followed by better treatments and stopping the obsession with venting everyone. Obviously, vaccines have taken over the lead in the fight now. I do think we need to look really hard at the impacts of lockdowns so we don't make the same mistakes. To be honest, it is very easy to make the same argument to lockdown over a bad flu that we made for COVID. As for the numbers, it clearly was very bad, but I am waiting for the studies that come out in 3-5 years after the hysteria has passed and more analysis of actual causes of death can be done. We labeled a lot of people who had heart attacks after testing positive as "COVID deaths." The CDC has not denied this. This may be offset by the likely hundreds of thousands of deaths in places like China that have not been reported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, PhineasC said: You'd have to be really ignorant of history to think giving the Federal govt all this power means they will never use it again once the current "crisis" has passed. LOL Whenever people tell me it'll all be back to normal once we have enough "jabs in arms" I ask them if they still have to take off their shoes at the airport 20+ years later. That always makes them stop in their tracks. I would say comparing it to airline terrorism protocols isn’t a good argument. One is an act of nature, one is human behavior. A closer model maybe is having states do travel restrictions during severe winter weather...a govt response to a natural phenomenon. But yeah...once the genie is out of the bottle, hard to put it back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, weatherwiz said: This! This is a fantastic point and something not talked about often. But that is a huge problem. Some of these tests out there are extremely sensitive and result in false positives. A month or two ago, I was listening to a doctor on the radio (or maybe it was something I read from a doctor), but they were explaining that some of these tests are so sensitive they are returning false positives. Something to the idea that even if they hint at a trace of the virus it comes back positive...which can be very misleading. There is a difference between having traces of virus in you and having levels high enough to exhibit symptoms and be able to spread. Our bodies are constantly being attacked by viruses daily...I'm sure if we got tested daily for something the majority of us would test positive for something. But this goes to say...how many of these daily cases are actually anything? Let's look at sports for example...outside of the Vancouver Canucks situation (which they are the culprit of the Brazilian variant) look how many athletes have tested positive and never exhibited symptoms (now that's not to say they can't spread it) or it turned out they were false positives. Now thing of the population size of athletes vs. the entire country. This is certainly key...and with this...it is a little on the concerning side to see hospitalizations continue to increase across many states...even serious/critical conditions numbers have risen. Hell, even here in Connecticut, we have seen a daily increase just about every day over the past 3-weeks...maybe 2 or 3 days where the number dropped. Whittinsville has spoke about it a lot if you're referring to this sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Regarding Phin’s above post, I agree on just about all points. It def was worse for older people (not always but % wise hugely). Hopefully lessons learned regarding LTCs etc can help in the future. I was excited to pass out paper report cards to my students today! The online ones sucked. I then had to leave early because our furnace at home was busted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, Lava Rock said: Whittinsville has spoke about it a lot if you're referring to this sub. Yup. He (and you to a lesser extent) have talked a ton about the sensitivity of the PCR tests...even though I can’t follow half of it... I wish we could read through those old threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, MJO812 said: Getting my Moderna shot tomorrow. Hopefully no side effects occur. I've had no issues, but my coworker of the same age was out puking today because of it. Seems to be a fair amount of variability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: Regarding Phin’s above post, I agree on just about all points. It def was worse for older people (not always but % wise hugely). Hopefully lessons learned regarding LTCs etc can help in the future. I was excited to pass out paper report cards to my students today! The online ones sucked. I then had to leave early because our furnace at home was busted. Your school sounds pretty awesome just based on your posts here. It gives me hope that even butthead districts like Fairfax County, VA and San Francisco will eventually come around and do what is right for kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 47 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Where things are really getting out of control is India...pretty ugly there. Michigan is bad too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hoth said: I've had no issues, but my coworker of the same age was out puking today because of it. Seems to be a fair amount of variability. I'm going today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Regarding people who had had covid getting vaccinated-it is increasingly clear that doing that confers “super immunity” based an ab tests. Also, there is anecdotal evidence that long haulers that are with difficult symptoms get relief from vaccination. Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Lava Rock said: Michigan is bad too. Yeah wtf is going on there? Vaccinated people have gotten covid and apparently 3 died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Your school sounds pretty awesome just based on your posts here. It gives me hope that even butthead districts like Fairfax County, VA and San Francisco will eventually come around and do what is right for kids. There is still plenty of suckage in my school. “Specials” were ravaged by budget cuts as well as having teachers teaching multiple subjects they know nothing about due to cuts (I’m teaching a block of ancient civilizations...wheee!). There are some technology issues and logistical problems (we are still not sure how to do lunches when we have all of the kids back due to CDC guidelines and space). But the kids have been awesome. Where my wife works it has been pretty close to normal for months (masks are the biggest difference, as well as group work). The pace that things are bouncing back overall in society has me optimistic. Good luck finding a vacation rental on Cape Cod this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: I honestly had not heard about that outbreak. They should be fine considering age and fitness. Who is in rough shape? It took E Rodriguez on the Sox 9+ months to recover Over 20 players and coaches have tested positive with several ending up in the hospital. Several players family members very sick too. I don't think the Canucks have played a game in like 3-weeks now. The NHL is hoping the Canucks can return this upcoming Thursday but it's kinda more hope. There is a chance they may not be able to finish out the rest of their season. 9 minutes ago, Lava Rock said: Whittinsville has spoke about it a lot if you're referring to this sub. Moreso news but yes he has! 5 minutes ago, Lava Rock said: Michigan is bad too. Really the driver in daily cases across the country and IIRC they are one of the states struggling with vaccine rollout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, weathafella said: Regarding people who had had covid getting vaccinated-it is increasingly clear that doing that confers “super immunity” based an ab tests. Also, there is anecdotal evidence that long haulers that are with difficult symptoms get relief from vaccination. Time will tell Yeah. I posted a story from NPR about the latter a few days back. That could be a great thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, weathafella said: Yeah wtf is going on there? Vaccinated people have gotten covid and apparently 3 died? Some reports of that too out of Chicago although not sure anyone has died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, weathafella said: Yeah wtf is going on there? Vaccinated people have gotten covid and apparently 3 died? Hope we aren't already seeing the breakdown of vaccine efficacy due to variants. This is a huge, very rapid vaccine rollout (surely fastest of all time?) so I think we are just seeing the kinds of little blips that happen with vaccines but are usually spread out over many years compressed into a couple months, so it seems like a lot of issues but not really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Even if the vaccine is 95% effective, that means it is 5% not effective. Some could still get it and a smaller number could croak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 The Astra Zeneca rollout hasn’t been good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Really the driver in daily cases across the country and IIRC they are one of the states struggling with vaccine rollout. Their governor is a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, weathafella said: Regarding people who had had covid getting vaccinated-it is increasingly clear that doing that confers “super immunity” based an ab tests. Also, there is anecdotal evidence that long haulers that are with difficult symptoms get relief from vaccination. Time will tell We hope. My wife has had neurological issues (brain fog/buzzing, tingling/shaking, sleep issues, abnormal eeg) since last March. So far, dose 1 hasn't helped but maybe she'll get some improvement after the 2nd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Even if the vaccine is 95% effective, that means it is 5% not effective. Some could still get it and a smaller number could croak. And they probably aren't even that effective in the real world across millions of people, especially if those people stop masking and distancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, weathafella said: Yeah wtf is going on there? Vaccinated people have gotten covid and apparently 3 died? Surprising - were they fully vaccinated? I suppose it would be silly to think it would be 100% effective over millions in sample size. Could be additional factors that we don't know about as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Pfizer is eyeing full FDA approval pretty soon. The pair’s mRNA vaccine is 91.3% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 disease as measured in people who have been immunized with the second dose of the shot for up to six months, the companies said Thursday. The new efficacy data, plus a safety analysis comprising data from more than 12,000 people who were fully immunized for at least six months, allow the companies to file a drug application with the FDA to turn the shot’s emergency use authorization into a full approval, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, Ph.D., said in a statement. The efficacy level is slightly down from the 95% number the vaccine first posted in the trial. With those data, Pfizer secured an FDA emergency use authorization in December. Since that initial analysis, more COVID-19 cases have accrued, increasing to 927 as of March 13 from the previous 170. Of the total cases, investigators recorded 850 in the placebo group compared with 77 in the vaccine cohort. Thirty-two severe COVID-19 cases were recorded, all in the placebo group, translating into a 100% efficacy against severe disease for the vaccine. https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfizer-biontech-eye-official-covid-19-vaccine-nod-as-efficacy-stands-strong-including Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, SouthCoastMA said: We hope. My wife has had neurological issues (brain fog/buzzing, tingling/shaking, sleep issues, abnormal eeg) since last March. So far, dose 1 hasn't helped but maybe she'll get some improvement after the 2nd. I hope for her sake that happens! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhineasC said: And they probably aren't even that effective in the real world across millions of people, especially if those people stop masking and distancing. Yeah, across extremely large sample sizes..it would almost be shocking if there weren't a handful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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