WhitinsvilleWX Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 41 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Thank you sir. I was drawing the conclusion that they both caused the same side effects for the same reason. It could very well be related to the spike protein from both the virus itself, or the spike protein manufactured from the vaccine. In that case it might be the same MOA. My point is you cant assume it until the biology is worked out. Or it could be spurious correlation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, SJonesWX said: oh i agree, but is it known that the vaccine caused the myo? Or did these kids have pre-existing conditions? or maybe they had the myo prior, and it was not known about? i am just discussing possibilities here. my point is that the article is telling you in its own way that the vaccine caused the myo in these 18 kids, but I am arguing that it is not known. I agree. However, I go back to my original point. 18 in one little state is fishy. Sometimes where there smoke, theres fire. More info is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: This is a classic example of non scientists having access to scientific literature meant for trained scientists. what's your suggestion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, radarman said: what's your suggestion? Ask someone who knows what they are doing. Then don't argue with them when they give you an answer based on their experience. Like no matter how many times i tell some oaf that there are not abortion cells, or baby cow parts in the vaccine, they come back and throw the product insert or paper in my face that has fetal bovine serum on it. I tell them its a supplement used to culture cells in and in no way is the vaccine I still get static and am raked over the coals. Fook that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: I agree. However, I go back to my original point. 18 in one little state is fishy. Sometimes where there smoke, theres fire. More info is needed. I remember last year right about this time the media was hyping an inflammatory condition that was allegedly related to COVID. Died out after a couple of scary headlines..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Brian5671 said: I remember last year right about this time the media was hyping an inflammatory condition that was allegedly related to COVID. Died out after a couple of scary headlines..... Kawasaki syndrome. Do you have kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I love pure the pure speculation on alzheimers etc without any actual proof. It's comical 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Was in Poland ME this past weekend. First time wearing no mask inside. As I promised, once it was universally expected to, I took off the mask. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: We are talking about kids. Perhaps you didn't read past the scare headlines and dig into the data about how minute the effects from Covid are on kids. Getting natural immunity seems to me a better alternative for kids than a short lived shot. Again 18 kids in the tiny state of CT is a big deal More to learn about the effect on the under-18 cohort, especially since I think some companies are testing 5-11 year-olds. Under 5 is probably off the board even if some talking heads think otherwise. And that "tiny state of CT" has population about 200k greater than all of NNE - it's 29th of the 50 states even while ranking 48th in area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Ask someone who knows what they are doing. Then don't argue with them when they give you an answer based on their experience. ok fine. But there is a bit of a difference between 'read more/post less' and 'take the GFS away from that guy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Kawasaki syndrome. Do you have kids? yes twin boys who are 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, DotRat_Wx said: Was in Poland ME this past weekend. First time wearing no mask inside. As I promised, once it was universally expected to, I took off the mask. where abouts? We're in raymond, about 10min away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Lava Rock said: where abouts? We're in raymond, about 10min away Bachelor party at Poland Spring golf club. Really enjoyed it. We stayed at little sebago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, DotRat_Wx said: Bachelor party at Poland Spring golf club. Really enjoyed it. We stayed at little sebago. cool. the golf course/area is really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I don't play golf but a friend told me it is one, if not the best examples of a un-modified Donald Ross course...of course, I have no idea what that means! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Angus said: I don't play golf but a friend told me it is one, if not the best examples of a un-modified Donald Ross course...of course, I have no idea what that means! It's very interesting. Wide open. still not easy. I hit a drive 320 on this hole. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, DotRat_Wx said: It's very interesting. Wide open. still not easy. I hit a drive 320 on this hole. Into the trees? I can unload some big drives, the trick is getting it to go in the intended direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 I realize you can't really avoid your young kids at home, but this story is a cautionary tale that generally speaking, it's probably not the greatest idea to deliberately expose yourself over and over to someone with covid even after you're fully vaccinated. A healthy 43 year old runner does not fit the profile of someone you would expect the vaccine to fail in, so could be that repeated exposure in the house was just too much for her vaccine-induced immunity to contain? She still has shortness of breath about 2 months after getting sick. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-will-not-investigate-mild-infections-in-vaccinated-americans/ar-AAKmGW8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: Crypto talk gets tiring because I’m the only one that doesn’t get panicky. It is something that I know absolutely zero about. I try to figure out what you guys are discussing and you might as well be solving differential equations to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Also a silly question, but why does Elon get all cranky about the environmental impact of Bitcoin? I think it’s Bitcoin? I’ve lost track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 55 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Ask someone who knows what they are doing. Then don't argue with them when they give you an answer based on their experience. Like no matter how many times i tell some oaf that there are not abortion cells, or baby cow parts in the vaccine, they come back and throw the product insert or paper in my face that has fetal bovine serum on it. I tell them its a supplement used to culture cells in and in no way is the vaccine I still get static and am raked over the coals. Fook that. Debunking obvious conspiracy theories is fine, but the appeal to authority model is not flawless. The experts told us there was no chance this virus escaped from a lab and they are now walking that back, as an example. There has been a lot of this over the last year and a half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hoosier said: I realize you can't really avoid your young kids at home, but this story is a cautionary tale that generally speaking, it's probably not the greatest idea to deliberately expose yourself over and over to someone with covid even after you're fully vaccinated. A healthy 43 year old runner does not fit the profile of someone you would expect the vaccine to fail in, so could be that repeated exposure in the house was just too much for her vaccine-induced immunity to contain? She still has shortness of breath about 2 months after getting sick. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-will-not-investigate-mild-infections-in-vaccinated-americans/ar-AAKmGW8 She might easily fit the profile of someone with psychosomatic symptoms and hypochondria. That’s easier to believe than she had breakthrough long-haul COVID after vaccination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Into the trees? I can unload some big drives, the trick is getting it to go in the intended direction. I stepped up there about 8 beers deep on the 4th or 5th hole (I forget) and the fairway drops like 300+ feet. just swung as hard as I could and hit it absolutely dead center in front of all 8 people in our two tee times. Great feeling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, DotRat_Wx said: I stepped up there about 8 beers deep on the 4th or 5th hole (I forget) and the fairway drops like 300+ feet. just swung as hard as I could and hit it absolutely dead center in front of all 8 people in our two tee times. Great feeling. Channeling John Daly for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Hoosier said: I realize you can't really avoid your young kids at home, but this story is a cautionary tale that generally speaking, it's probably not the greatest idea to deliberately expose yourself over and over to someone with covid even after you're fully vaccinated. A healthy 43 year old runner does not fit the profile of someone you would expect the vaccine to fail in, so could be that repeated exposure in the house was just too much for her vaccine-induced immunity to contain? She still has shortness of breath about 2 months after getting sick. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cdc-will-not-investigate-mild-infections-in-vaccinated-americans/ar-AAKmGW8 I always thought the vaccine was to stop severe illness hospitalizations and/or death. Maybe that woman in the article is on a ventilator or even worse without the vaccine? Is it similar to wearing a seatbelt can reduce your chances of dying or serious injury in a car wreck... but it can still happen. I guess I always looked at it as a probability scale and tipping the odds in your favor as much as possible. But not that it’s 100% in your favor. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Kinda funny we went a couple of days without covid talk... that was refreshing. Need more toenail and crypto talk Here’s more toenail talk. Went to the podiatrist.... he numbed it and cut the edge of the nail off. Didn’t use acid in the nail bed.... didn’t want to do that coming off infection he said. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Channeling John Daly for sure. After this weekend I'm starting a diet again. Just felt like a bag of crap on Sunday. Can't do the hangovers anymore. It's amazing how much worse it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Also a silly question, but why does Elon get all cranky about the environmental impact of Bitcoin? I think it’s Bitcoin? I’ve lost track Yes, quite ironic for somebody who launches cars into space for fun. I wonder how the rare earth metal mining is going for his Teslas? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, powderfreak said: I always thought the vaccine was to stop severe illness hospitalizations and/or death. Maybe that woman in the article is on a ventilator or even worse without the vaccine? Is it similar to wearing a seatbelt can reduce your chances of dying or serious injury in a car wreck... but it can still happen. I guess I always looked at it as a probability scale and tipping the odds in your favor as much as possible. But not that it’s 100% in your favor. She very well could've had a worse case of covid had she not been vaccinated. A healthy 43 year old should have mounted a very robust response to the vaccine. Maybe she did, so the question is why the infection was able to break through. I wonder if that repeated exposure in the house made it more likely. That is not like going out to a restaurant, possibly coming in contact with covid at some point, and then leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, DotRat_Wx said: After this weekend I'm starting a diet again. Just felt like a bag of crap on Sunday. Can't do the hangovers anymore. It's amazing how much worse it is now. Yes, you definitely hit a wall eventually on being able to drink and recover easily. Last few years, it takes less and less to make me feel like death the next day. I have cut back on drinking during the pandemic. It’s tough but worth it I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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