Spring Banter

[Hoth]

I think I'm more amazed that Elon effectively did a Bitcoin pump and dump to make his quarter. Buy $1 billion of bitcoin, talk the price up on Twitter, cash out for a quick $100 million profit. Anybody not named Elon would be hauled up before the man for that.

[tamarack]

2 hours ago, Lava Rock said:

How many suits is TSLA having to defend for accidents like the most recent one where the idiot driver wasn't in the driver's seat, but the car still crashed on auto pilot.

Reminded me of a 20+ years ago article on weird lawsuit results.  One on the list was a guy who put his RV on cruise control then went back to the galley to fix his breakfast.  Winnebago was dinged for a huge award, including a new RV.

I bought an 8foot pine 1x6 at lowes on Saturday for a shelf in my work shop. Its was a decent grade but still a basic 1x6. $11.57

That's $2.89 per board foot, and from your description it was a #2 grade, relatively small red* knots.  Best sawmill-delivered price I found around here for #2 logs was $0.40, or 14% of that price Selects get more, up to $600, but that's till only 21% and selects generally have 50%+ clear, knot-free lumber which might cost twice the #2 boards.  Loggers and landowners aren't getting much if anything from the huge lumber prices, but when those prices crash it's inevitable those guys will be asked to take a cut.

* Red knots are formed from still-living branches and don't fall out of the board.  Black knots, formed from dead branches, are loose and sometimes depart from the piece, and are allowed in #4 (and below) boards.

[DavisStraight]

2 hours ago, dendrite said:

30 years even. I watch this one a lot.

What's that debris floating around, cars?

[HoarfrostHubb]

20 minutes ago, DavisStraight said:

What's that debris floating around, cars?

Parts of houses/barns. Maybe some cars

[WhitinsvilleWX]

1 hour ago, tamarack said:

Reminded me of a 20+ years ago article on weird lawsuit results.  One on the list was a guy who put his RV on cruise control then went back to the galley to fix his breakfast.  Winnebago was dinged for a huge award, including a new RV.

I bought an 8foot pine 1x6 at lowes on Saturday for a shelf in my work shop. Its was a decent grade but still a basic 1x6. $11.57

That's $2.89 per board foot, and from your description it was a #2 grade, relatively small red* knots.  Best sawmill-delivered price I found around here for #2 logs was $0.40, or 14% of that price Selects get more, up to $600, but that's till only 21% and selects generally have 50%+ clear, knot-free lumber which might cost twice the #2 boards.  Loggers and landowners aren't getting much if anything from the huge lumber prices, but when those prices crash it's inevitable those guys will be asked to take a cut.

* Red knots are formed from still-living branches and don't fall out of the board.  Black knots, formed from dead branches, are loose and sometimes depart from the piece, and are allowed in #4 (and below) boards.

My uncle farms wheat and raises cattle in Texas west of Fort Worth. Wheat is about $7 a bushel. A bushel of wheat weighs 60 pounds. 60 pounds of wheat makes 42 pounds of flower. That’s about $45 worth of flour at Walmart. 
The cost of diesel to  run the tractor to sow the wheat, plow the ground to get it ready to sow, cost of fertilizer, paying to get it combined, grain storage fees, etc etc. is astronomical. His combine bill last year on 5000 acres was almost 30k. To put it in perspective, wheat was $5 a bushel....during the Nixon administration. Back in the 80’s it was $3. Small farmers can’t make it anymore.

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

I’ve started reading this book and I highly recommend it for anyone with an open mind on how we can fix our monopolist society:

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691177502/radical-markets

[WhitinsvilleWX]

6 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

I’ve started reading this book and I highly recommend it for anyone with an open mind on how we can fix our monopolist society:

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691177502/radical-markets

Ive read books like this in school. One was the communist manifesto.  No thanks. 

[Damage In Tolland]

4 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Ive read books like this in school. One was the communist manifesto.  No thanks. 

It’s disgusting 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

9 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

I’ve started reading this book and I highly recommend it for anyone with an open mind on how we can fix our monopolist society:

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691177502/radical-markets

It may be a very millennial thing for me to say, but it isn’t easy being a young up and coming adult in the United States these days.

Long gone are the days of a family of 8 getting by comfortably on the fathers truck driver salary. I read an article that if minimum wage kept up with inflation/cost of living, it would currently be around $24 an hour.

 

[powderfreak]

14 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

It’s disgusting 

Yes learning about other ideologies should certainly be avoided.  Reading about something doesn’t mean you have to agree with it .  I don’t agree with it but would be open to reading it and trying to punch holes in it.

[Damage In Tolland]

4 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Yes learning about other ideologies should certainly be avoided.  Reading about something doesn’t mean you have to agree with it .  I don’t agree with it but would be open to reading it and trying to punch holes in it.

It’s so Karl Marxist / socialistic that it turns your stomach. Thankfully it’s so far out there that there’s about 4% of the population that would even think about it

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

7 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

It’s so Karl Marxist / socialistic that it turns your stomach. Thankfully it’s so far out there that there’s about 4% of the population that would even think about it

It’s actually not but you don’t read so I would wouldn’t think you’d get passed the title. 

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

35 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

Ive read books like this in school. One was the communist manifesto.  No thanks. 

Nope. Try again.

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

Because I know some can only get their info from Tucky Carlson, here is a snipit:

I think the problem with the right is that it believes in the free market, which we absolutely believe in, but it doesn’t know what the market really is or what it requires to have a free market. It assumes that by going backwards to a totally monopolized and retrograde form of markets we’re going to get the dynamic free market of the future, which I think is deeply naïve and mistaken. I think they have a good goal in mind, having a truly free and competitive system, but they created systems that ignored the ways in which what they called markets actually led to concentrated forms of power, very similar to the forms of state power that they decried.

The left, on the other hand, also has good aims. It believes in greater equality and believes in breaking up concentrated corporate power, but it thinks it can trust in benevolent state actors to impartially execute this, which to me is just as naïve as trusting corporate actors or the owners of private property to somehow benevolently have the public interest in mind. Like the left, we want to reduce inequality, diffuse power more broadly, and have a more profound democracy, but we think that standard discretionary state power is a perfect way to reestablish the tyranny of the elite, precisely the same sort of oppression that they’re trying to alleviate

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

20 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Yes learning about other ideologies should certainly be avoided.  Reading about something doesn’t mean you have to agree with it .  I don’t agree with it but would be open to reading it and trying to punch holes in it.

AFNATT.

[WhitinsvilleWX]

Just now, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

Because I know some can only get their info from Tucky Carlson, here is a snipit:

I think the problem with the right is that it believes in the free market, which we absolutely believe in, but it doesn’t know what the market really is or what it requires to have a free market. It assumes that by going backwards to a totally monopolized and retrograde form of markets we’re going to get the dynamic free market of the future, which I think is deeply naïve and mistaken. I think they have a good goal in mind, having a truly free and competitive system, but they created systems that ignored the ways in which what they called markets actually led to concentrated forms of power, very similar to the forms of state power that they decried.

The left, on the other hand, also has good aims. It believes in greater equality and believes in breaking up concentrated corporate power, but it thinks it can trust in benevolent state actors to impartially execute this, which to me is just as naïve as trusting corporate actors or the owners of private property to somehow benevolently have the public interest in mind. Like the left, we want to reduce inequality, diffuse power more broadly, and have a more profound democracy, but we think that standard discretionary state power is a perfect way to reestablish the tyranny of the elite, precisely the same sort of oppression that they’re trying to alleviate

No politics.

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

34 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

It may be a very millennial thing for me to say, but it isn’t easy being a young up and coming adult in the United States these days.

Long gone are the days of a family of 8 getting by comfortably on the fathers truck driver salary. I read an article that if minimum wage kept up with inflation/cost of living, it would currently be around $24 an hour.

 

Correct. I’ve read the same. It’s getting tougher for each generation.

 

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

5 minutes ago, WhitinsvilleWX said:

No politics.

No covid?

I sent that to someone like DIT who trips over themselves on any economic ideas not touted on faux news to illustrate this book is not about his deepest fear (besides drought). It’s not political at all.

[HoarfrostHubb]

Phrases that have amused me lately:

crotch goblins

[powderfreak]

8 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

It’s so Karl Marxist / socialistic that it turns your stomach. Thankfully it’s so far out there that there’s about 4% of the population that would even think about it

You get a sugar cube, I get a sugar cube, we all get a sugar cube, ha.

[Damage In Tolland]

Just now, powderfreak said:

You get a sugar cube, I get a sugar cube, we all get a sugar cube, ha.

I’m out. 

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

29 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Yes learning about other ideologies should certainly be avoided.  Reading about something doesn’t mean you have to agree with it .  I don’t agree with it but would be open to reading it and trying to punch holes in it.

And this is one of the biggest downfalls of our society nowadays. Political and ideological tribalism. Like Scooter says, go aliens.

[TalcottWx]

3 hours ago, Hoth said:

TSLA recognized $518 million of regulatory credits this quarter somehow lol. Okay. Ex that and non-recurring items like day trading bitcoin profits, TSLA lost a couple hundred million again. $800 billion market cap car company that makes less real money than a lemonade stand.

The grid will need 3x more power to realize the full potential of electric vehicles soon. The company is rapidly developing advanced batteries, solar panel systems too. It's not just cars. They aren't a car company. I know you must know this, but I feel many are downplaying what this company has already achieved. I mean, space x is straight launching people to the moon soon. 

It's also funny how no one cares if a regular car goes on fire. It happens a billion times a day. But if it's a tesla? Call CNN. 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

1 minute ago, DotRat_Wx said:

The grid will need 3x more power to realize the full potential of electric vehicles soon. The company is rapidly developing advanced batteries, solar panel systems too. It's not just cars. They aren't a car company. I know you must know this, but I feel many are downplaying what this company has already achieved. I mean, space x is straight launching people to the moon soon. 

It's also funny how no one cares if a regular car goes on fire. It happens a billion times a day. But if it's a tesla? Call CNN. 

Sounds like someone owns a few shares.

[powderfreak]

11 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

And this is one of the biggest downfalls of our society nowadays. Political and ideological tribalism. Like Scooter says, go aliens.

Yeah once people get something in their head, right or wrong, or ideological, it’s hard to change that.

I will say I don’t think it’s only society nowadays.  Even back to the earliest civilizations, if something was believed as truth, humans still wouldn’t change their minds even as scholars literally proved them to be wrong as time went on.  We accept a lot of those truths now (like earth isn’t flat) but despite a shit ton of evidence it took civilization a very long time to wrap its head around stuff that was contrary to their beliefs back in the day.  Humans are stubborn creatures.  Pros and cons to that stubbornness.

[weatherwiz]

5 hours ago, KoalaBeer said:

Today marks 20 years since the Andover KS tornado. To this day I think it’s still one of the most amazing tornado videos ever shot, and that’s saying something considering we all have hd cameras in our pockets nowadays. Love how the guy just stays quiet and films the tornado and lets the storm do the talking. 

https://play.spokenlayer.com/this-day-in-weather-history <—— podcast on it, haven’t listened yet so no idea if it’s any good. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/andover-kansas-1991-tornado-americas-103000141.html?guccounter=1

 

 

I remember one of the first tornado films I saw was on this tornado...I don't remember what it was called though but I used to have it on VHS. 

[TalcottWx]

4 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

Sounds like someone owns a few shares.

I am remain very skeptical of some long term goals. But the push to ev is undeniable. I can't think of a company better positioned to dominate the market. The head start and technology they have developed is light years ahead of competition. 

And the grid stuff.. We are going electric. Thinking of the country needing 3x amount the electricity it has now. No way are we getting that all from the municipal level. We are going to need solar at local level. And batteries to store the energy. 

It's interesting when you think about it. I think tesla faces very little competition when it comes to other companies in the next five years. If they can continue to expand, while they have the upper hand, it will be fun to watch. 

[PhineasC]

Right now we basically have the worst parts of socialism and capitalism at play in our economic system. We somehow manage to simultaneously have the very weak personal rights of overbearing socialism and the oppressive corporate largesse and abuses of rampant capitalism, for example. It’s really not a good setup. 

[Bostonseminole]

Yes learning about other ideologies should certainly be avoided.  Reading about something doesn’t mean you have to agree with it .  I don’t agree with it but would be open to reading it and trying to punch holes in it.

Some folks are very closed minded.


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[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

Just now, powderfreak said:

Yeah once people get something in their head, right or wrong, or ideological, it’s hard to change that.

I will say I don’t think it’s only society nowadays.  Even back to the earliest civilizations, if something was believed as truth, humans still wouldn’t change their minds even as scholars literally proved them to be wrong as time went on.  We accept a lot of those truths now (like earth isn’t flat) but despite a shit ton of evidence it took civilization a very long time to wrap its head around stuff that was contrary to their beliefs that back in the day.

Yea. No matter how far civilization advances, people resort to the same fundamentally flawed instincts unless they dedicate time and energy to expand their thinking outside of their comfort zone. Tip would probably do a better job at explaining this lol. But the idea is...once you cap yourself and effectively close yourself off to different thoughts and ideas, you actually become dumber over time as you continuously wrap yourself in the same ideological blanket.