Spring Banter

[PhineasC]

41 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

the vaxx was initially developed back in 2003 with the SARS outbreak then, but that never spread widely so there wasn't a market for it-so it's not exactly "new"

It surely wasn't tested widely back in 2003 if there was no market for it. Let's not swing too far the other way by pretending it is established technology for a vaccine.

[Brian5671]

8 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

It surely wasn't tested widely back in 2003 if there was no market for it. Let's not swing too far the other way by pretending it is established technology for a vaccine.

Not saying that but to say that it's totally 100% new within the last year is not correct.  

[Typhoon Tip]

4 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

Skilled trades are the thing to be in right now for sure. After years of ostracizing carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc in the 1980s/1990s and telling all the kids back then that they needed to go to college, there is a definite supply shortage of these types of workers and a high demand for them. Especially in a higher educated regions like the greater Boston market or other northeast cities. 

My wife’s younger half-brother lives outside of Philly and he dropped out of high school at 16...then got his now-wife pregnant when he was 18, but went and got his GED and went to trade school to be an electrician. He is now about 25 and makes 6 figures easy. It’s pretty amazing. 

 

Ha, good post, Will!

Mike Rowe, famed "Dirty Jobs" host and now voice-over specialist/narrator for various informational genre of entertainment, was interviewed years ago by 60 Minutes.  He was projecting a problem, ... predicting that over coming decades America could find its self in a kind of infrastructure crisis, because the stigma you describe.  Think future tenths:  An anathema and 'shade' culture of looking down noses upon a certain ilk of occupations ... led inexorably to a history of abandoned maintenance practices - or inability to keep up with normal deterioration rates even...  And well here we are ...

We are still, for all our conceits in modernity and technological bliss, wholly reliant upon lever, cogs and grease. Just musing here while I wait for a break job ... boring.

But from trains to shipyards, to heavy machinery,  really the vast array of physical components that ( sorry for the cliche )  most carry on in their busy lives having long become complacent or oblivious to altogether.  Us wannabe doctors and lawyers, or investment rock-star Wall Street investors, artists or celebrities, fervor on disconnected from the fact that the foundation for those "society echelons" is still paved by "adult Tonka Truck" drivers. Otherwise, the galas ...the appreciation narcissism cannot happen - little tongue-in-cheek jab there. 

He was saying back in the last 1990s, kids can graduate from high school right into certificate trade program that doesn't require a suicide failure to get the 1450 SAT scores. They are pretty much guaranteed to make 80K +/ yr by 5 years of as a HE operator ... There's basically a pie-chart of occupations needed to operation society, and the popularity tries to make money by not occupying any of those pie slices -it's kind of shameful really.  Yet, we shame those gigs -or use to... 

I almost blame the television culture of the 1970s and 1980s for that. I can remember the portrayal constantly fed, igniting a culture mode/stigma against those jobs.  I can remember "Hollywood" always had the plumber ring the door ... he dangled blunted cigar from a scruffy unshaven second chin, and when he spoke .. it was dolt-accented four letter terms - all the way through them decades. 

Meanwhile, "Secret Of My Success" was appealing to an already celebrity driven culture, idolizing manicures and chiseled facial features, along with a certain presumption of sagacity ... that was sort of granted, not earned, if you rang the door with good looks and polo shirt ...  perhaps best described as an out and out elitism. We laughed during Saturday Night Live's "Wayne's World" whenever they bowed with with hands out stretched and chanted, "We're not worthy- we're not worthy" 

Ah yes the "effete plumber" - proooobably fails that sort of vision of being one of the ones that is "worthy".  LOL

There's a reason why the super bowl add back in 2004 or 2005 was a hit. It's portrayal has been repro'ed many times in peregrination but I keep seeing vestiges of it ever since.  I don't remember the product...but the ad itself depicted guy standing on the side of the road leaning on his Porsche ...you know, clearly broken down. The setting was out there ...like really out there in the vast oblivion of empty plain. Just him, his inoperative status symbol, and the two lane road.  A semi truck emerges and picks the guy up ... "You nee a lift?" And after some fragments of dialogue designed to seal the watchers presumption ...,the driver espouses, "...Oh this?  Nah, this isn't my job, I'm a retired billionaire [ enter occupational ways and means here ].  I just do this because I like the peace and serenity of the open road and helping people."   The old exotic billionaire romp.   It's still a juxtaposition mechanism that works to this day, because we still come from that effete underpinning.

 

 

[tamarack]

37 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Former NFL player... have to assume a traumatic brain injury situation.

Relatively short career and 33 y.o. is young for CTE.  However, DBs have some of the most violent high-speed collisions in the game and are usually smaller than the guys they're trying to tackle.  Maybe Deion Sanders, famed for coverage and picks but sometimes ridiculed for avoiding hard tackles, had the right idea after all.

[weathafella]

43 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Relatively short career and 33 y.o. is young for CTE.  However, DBs have some of the most violent high-speed collisions in the game and are usually smaller than the guys they're trying to tackle.  Maybe Deion Sanders, famed for coverage and picks but sometimes ridiculed for avoiding hard tackles, had the right idea after all.

33 is not young.   It’s likely that he’s been in the sport since childhood.   Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be football players....

[DavisStraight]

5 minutes ago, weathafella said:

33 is not young.   It’s likely that he’s been in the sport since childhood.   Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be football players....

Yeah, he's probably been butting heads for 20 years, that's a long time and easily could be CTE.

[Typhoon Tip]

15 minutes ago, weathafella said:

33 is not young.   It’s likely that he’s been in the sport since childhood.   Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be football players....

Yeah ... no way .

In "CTE years" that's runner up for oldest living -

[HIPPYVALLEY]

While the Biden administration has been trying to find a way toward a standard for vaccine certification, the federal government will not issue a vaccine passport, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday. 

"The government is not now, nor will we be, supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential," Psaki said at a news briefing. "There will be no federal vaccinations database and no federal mandate requiring everyone to obtain a single vaccination credential."

[Typhoon Tip]

4 hours ago, SouthCoastMA said:

Long term effects from a mild case of covid are pretty high actually. somewhere around the 15% range. 

Just get the shot. They would not be distributing this on the mass scale if they were anywhere close to worried about the vaccines' long term effects. 

Actually CNN bandied a headline - but they tend to spin dourly as base-tactic ... - that 34% of COVID 'recovery' are saddled with 'brain disease'

typical of that org to scare people into clicking mouses, or thumb swiping their phones, by not providing context ... just telling you there's a cricket in our panties .. so tfwiw - folks can look that up and test its veracity.

[Damage In Tolland]

15 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

While the Biden administration has been trying to find a way toward a standard for vaccine certification, the federal government will not issue a vaccine passport, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday. 

"The government is not now, nor will we be, supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential," Psaki said at a news briefing. "There will be no federal vaccinations database and no federal mandate requiring everyone to obtain a single vaccination credential."

If they did .. we’d be living in communist China 

[tamarack]

54 minutes ago, DavisStraight said:

Yeah, he's probably been butting heads for 20 years, that's a long time and easily could be CTE.

Or more.  I think Pop Warner league starts before age 10.  However, most publicized CTE cases are longer-term NFL players (which are more likely to be publicized because of career length/stardom.)
Edit:  Pop Warner league has many divisions, which start at age 5!  Some systems go by weight and the "Mini-mite" division is ages 5-6-7 and check-in weights 35(!!!) to 75 lb, up to 84 by end of season.  Makes me glad my organized football career was just 3 years in HS and 2 at Hopkins.

[Typhoon Tip]

41 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

If they did .. we’d be living in communist China 

Yeah ...that's the philosophical conundrum that's festering now as we near the post-Pandemia realm  - whether that is all an infringement on the Americana afforded sense of free liberty ...

As a deeper thought ( oh god ) that always, whether we realize this or not ..., has been the key word: whether that can be "afforded" 

I mean, it was always made possible because circumstances allowed it.  See ... ANY system ( in reality really) can persist in status quo, only as long as there are no forces sufficient to upend the status quo.  That's like "the law of stasis" - heh... I like that.  But seriously - it's true.

The question is, when is/if an imposing agencies of "destruction," or mere disruption, may be sufficient to require:

                                                                         "special circumstances require special counter measures"                           ... as a response.  In other words, the circumstances no longer can afford -

I don't personally think this qualifies ?  I don't -

I don't because it's all relative - it is relative because ...what this C-19 aspect is, the whole and holistic aspect of all if it ...world over, is really about doing what we've done because we can, not because we had no choice. The perception may have been that we had no choice, but... put this into cultural relativity and era comparison, if you will.

Case in point, 1918 ... There's was never going to be any sort of pass-port, leading to a traffic stop that goes like ... 'Where's your papers'.  I suspect images of cold war era Stalingrad ring in people's minds as where requiring dog-tags for immunization is going - it's kind of also insulting and demeaning to a lot of people, too.  Not just the free-liberties.

Obviously ... we don't want to set a precedence that may even risk paving the way to a future where we start claiming liberties - but it is  fine tussle, when liberties also could become an inadvertent agent of mass destruction ...  That's an interesting one -

 

[Damage In Tolland]

8 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Yeah ...that's the philosophical conundrum that festering now as we near the post-Pandemia realm  - whether that is all an infringement on the Americana afforded sense of free liberty ...

As a deeper thought ( oh god ) that always, whether we realize this or not ..., has been the key word: whether that can be "afforded" 

I mean, it was always made possible because circumstances allowed it.  See ... ANY system ( in reality really) can persist in status quo, only as long as there are no forces sufficient to upend the status quo.  That's like "the law of stasis" - heh... I like that.  But seriously - it's true.

The question is, when is/if an imposing agencies of "destruction," or mere disruption, may be sufficient to require:

                                                                         "special circumstances require special counter measures"                           ... as a response.  In other words, the circumstances no longer can afford -

I don't personally think this qualifies ?  I don't -

I don't because it's all relative - it is relative because ...what this C-19 aspect is, the whole and holistic aspect of all if it ...world over, is really about doing what we've done because we can, not because we had no choice. The perception may have been that we had no choice, but... put this into cultural relativity and era comparison, if you will.

Case in point, 1918 ... There's was never going to be any sort of pass-port, leading to a traffic stop that goes like ... 'Where's your papers'.  I suspect images of cold war era Stalingrad ring in people's minds as where requiring dog-tags for immunization is going - it's kind of also insulting and demeaning to a lot of people, too.  Not just the free-liberties.

Obviously ... we don't want to set a precedence that may even risk paving the way to a future where we start claiming liberties - but it is  fine tussle, when liberties also could become an inadvertent agent of mass destruction ...  That's an interesting one -

 

Unfortunately the next 4 years are going to be filled with some terrible decisions . Already happening. Hopefully the country can get thru this nightmare. 
 

When do you go back to office or are you WFH all the time?

[DavisStraight]

28 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Or more.  I think Pop Warner league starts before age 10.  However, most publicized CTE cases are longer-term NFL players (which are more likely to be publicized because of career length/stardom.)
Edit:  Pop Warner league has many divisions, which start at age 5!  Some systems go by weight and the "Mini-mite" division is ages 5-6-7 and check-in weights 35(!!!) to 75 lb, up to 84 by end of season.  Makes me glad my organized football career was just 3 years in HS and 2 at Hopkins.

After Aaron Hernandez hung himself they studied his brain and he has CTE, I think they said it was pretty advanced and he was only 27.

[tamarack]

Just now, DavisStraight said:

After Aaron Hernandez hung himself they studies his brain and he has CTE, I think they said it was pretty advanced and he was only 27.

Given some of his behavior in college, maybe his damage became serious even earlier.

[HoarfrostHubb]

14 minutes ago, DavisStraight said:

After Aaron Hernandez hung himself they studied his brain and he has CTE, I think they said it was pretty advanced and he was only 27.

I seem to remember that they reported his brain was in the worst shape of anyone his age they had examined

[Typhoon Tip]

32 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Unfortunately the next 4 years are going to be filled with some terrible decisions . Already happening. Hopefully the country can get thru this nightmare. 
 

When do you go back to office or are you WFH all the time?

Yep,                                               all.                                the.                           time.

We've been sent memos ... roughtly ever 2 months and a day, since mid summer 2020, ... pushing return ever out in time.  Now it is mid June, supposedly -  ...We'll see. But with culture seeming to deflate on the popularity of this thing ( haha ), and also vaccine culture taking over, ... maybe this time it will stick.

Frankly, and echoing other's posts .. we too our getting mixed sentiments on whether they'll return to the old paradigm. 

You know ... personally, I come of as wordy and even acerbic ..snarky at times but I am actually a very social critter. It's not easy on gregarious types to deal with this shut-in shit.  Unlike that description of how some employees 'hide ineptitude' in plain site by baffling co-workers with bullshit, while actually being at the office and doing very little qualitative contribution ( lol... that funny)  I really was BOTH productive and a socialite in that setting.  

But in this circumstance I live alone. Healthy. Intelligent. Creative.         ....Bored. 

Plus, it's lonely and frankly a little scary to be middle aged in this. If I had anyone... but being rejected by all women by what seems to be god's design and decree - heh.   That ...and perhaps my unfortunate genetic lineage as the ass-end of a dead rhino probably isn't helping...  I'm so hot -  lol...  No but it is hard for us single dudes and girls these days - kind of hard to go on dates when the purpose of going on said date just so happens to be diametrical to the intent and purposes of social 'distancing' - oops...   I mean, yeah ... I'm an impressive fellow, but I am not 6' of it - ...

Blah blah... I'm sure this is a song sung by most

[Brian5671]

I doubt most places will return to offices in the summer-maybe post Labor Day...not b/c of Covid, but b/c it's summer....if that holds its 18 months out of the office-imagine predicting that on March 1, 2020?   Also the length of time has gotten people used to working remotely-hard to tell people they have to come back 5 days per week after that length of time....

[SouthCoastMA]

I work for a med software company, so tele-work kinda makes sense anyway. They are only asking us to come in a handful of times a month during the Summer, and are leaving which days flexible. Starting in September, it will be expected that we will be in the office more frequently, but that hasn't been determined yet. I highly doubt it will be anything close to Pre-Covid though. 

[NorEastermass128]

I was only in the office 1 day per week pre-COVID. Traveled around 7-10 nights per month though.

[DavisStraight]

1 hour ago, Brian5671 said:

I doubt most places will return to offices in the summer-maybe post Labor Day...not b/c of Covid, but b/c it's summer....if that holds its 18 months out of the office-imagine predicting that on March 1, 2020?   Also the length of time has gotten people used to working remotely-hard to tell people they have to come back 5 days per week after that length of time....

My wife's more productive working from home and so are her coworkers, the company is just going to have them on site two days a week starting in June and they may stay at that permanently.

[Modfan2]

3 hours ago, DavisStraight said:

After Aaron Hernandez hung himself they studied his brain and he has CTE, I think they said it was pretty advanced and he was only 27.

Wouldn’t you think we would see a lot of similar problems with hockey players, and not just limited to football? 

[mreaves]

5 minutes ago, Modfan2 said:

Wouldn’t you think we would see a lot of similar problems with hockey players, and not just limited to football? 

I think it’s worse in football because it’s much, much more a deliberate part of the sport so there is much more direct contact. In England they are looking at all the heading of balls soccer players are subjected to as being behind a seemingly high rate of dementia in retired professionals. 

[DavisStraight]

13 minutes ago, Modfan2 said:

Wouldn’t you think we would see a lot of similar problems with hockey players, and not just limited to football? 

Football players are always banging heads, hockey players take mostly body shots, but I don't think they're immune, look what happened to Mark Savard, had to quit at a young age from so many concussions.

[HoarfrostHubb]

31 minutes ago, DavisStraight said:

Football players are always banging heads, hockey players take mostly body shots, but I don't think they're immune, look what happened to Mark Savard, had to quit at a young age from so many concussions.

It is pretty bad in hockey too

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/04/hockey-cte-todd-ewen-brain-injury/587818/

[MJO812]

I folded

 

I have an appointment on Saturday at the local Walgreens. 

 

[weathafella]

5 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Unfortunately the next 4 years are going to be filled with some terrible decisions . Already happening. Hopefully the country can get thru this nightmare. 
 

When do you go back to office or are you WFH all the time?

As Trump would say...look at your 401k!

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

2 hours ago, DavisStraight said:

My wife's more productive working from home and so are her coworkers, the company is just going to have them on site two days a week starting in June and they may stay at that permanently.

Yup. Good news there. Solid company.

[Brian5671]

35 minutes ago, weathafella said:

As Trump would say...look at your 401k!

If we survived the last 4 years we can survive anything....

[mreaves]

46 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

If we survived the last 4 years we can survive anything....

What doesn’t kill us will make us stronger.