Ginx snewx Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 hours ago, WhitinsvilleWX said: Probably should have been rolled out by age only. It's pretty clear by now who is the most vulnerable to severe illness and death. Once they went down the "identity" distribution rabbit hole, it was open season for every interest group to try and make the case for why they should be next. . Of course the White Gov got his Civil Rights Act of 1964: No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program...receiving Federal financial assistance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, dryslot said: I would think so if it has your name on it instead of laminating it with a lanyard around your neck.............. Staff at the vaccine site this AM said that laminating the vaccination records card would wreck it, black out the data. Maybe folks here already knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Of course the White Gov got his Civil Rights Act of 1964: No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program...receiving Federal financial assistance. But no one seemed to flinch when the initial vaccines went to med staff, 1st responders and LTC residents. (As it should have, IMO.) Must be some caveats in CRA-1964 to cover things like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, tamarack said: But no one seemed to flinch when the initial vaccines went to med staff, 1st responders and LTC residents. (As it should have, IMO.) Must be some caveats in CRA-1964 to cover things like that. Based on vulnerability and risk, not race. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 What will be widely accepted as fact first?The vaccine “is not effective against new strains which are now more widespread. New Vaccine roll-out needed...new restrictions/restrictions remain in place.” Or “short to long term side effects of an (experimental) vaccine are worse than the direct risks from the virus itself —to low risk/healthy individuals. I’ll wait. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 What will be widely accepted as fact first?The vaccine “is not effective against new strains which are now more widespread. New Vaccine roll-out needed...new restrictions/restrictions remain in place.” Or “short to long term side effects of an (experimental) vaccine are worse than the direct risks from the virus itself —to low risk/healthy individuals. I’ll wait. So you're not getting the vax i take it Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, jbenedet said: What will be widely accepted as fact first?The vaccine “is not effective against new strains which are now more widespread. New Vaccine roll-out needed...new restrictions/restrictions remain in place.” Or “short to long term side effects of an (experimental) vaccine are worse than the direct risks from the virus itself —to low risk/healthy individuals. I’ll wait. Definitely wait. Vaccines are such an unproven medical endeavor. What's next, pills that kill bacteria? 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoth Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, jbenedet said: What will be widely accepted as fact first?The vaccine “is not effective against new strains which are now more widespread. New Vaccine roll-out needed...new restrictions/restrictions remain in place.” Or “short to long term side effects of an (experimental) vaccine are worse than the direct risks from the virus itself —to low risk/healthy individuals. I’ll wait. Sir, this is a Wendy's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 38 minutes ago, jbenedet said: What will be widely accepted as fact first?The vaccine “is not effective against new strains which are now more widespread. New Vaccine roll-out needed...new restrictions/restrictions remain in place.” Or “short to long term side effects of an (experimental) vaccine are worse than the direct risks from the virus itself —to low risk/healthy individuals. I’ll wait. Beer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HIPPYVALLEY Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 4 hours ago, SouthCoastMA said: Its looking like between 10-15% of those with Covid, including mild cases, seem to have lingering or even long term effects. Probably best to just get the shot. To me the inflammation and the mental fog are the most concerning long term symptoms. The myriad of possible long term symptoms reminds me of Lyme disease. Heh' can you imagine if Lyme was an airborne transmissible disease? That's horror movie stuff right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Beer Double IPA. Hops have anti-viral properties! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Anecdotal only but sounds like a decent number of people with lingering effects of Covid had them disappear or become lesser soon after getting fully vaccinated. I would think that is coincidence at this point but might be some good news 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/03/31/982799452/mysterious-ailment-mysterious-relief-vaccines-help-some-covid-long-haulers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbenedet Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, alex said: Definitely wait. Vaccines are such an unproven medical endeavor. What's next, pills that kill bacteria? I have worked in US manufacturing for over 10 years — over half of those years were spent in quality control, pharma R&D and performing high level quality investigations at a top biologics manufacturer. It goes without saying that all vaccines are not equal. This joke is on you. Cheers. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 6 hours ago, PhineasC said: Since when can state governments discriminate based on race? https://mobile.twitter.com/GovPhilScott/status/1377605174320099335? Maybe because there are 6 people of color I the state of VT.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, weathafella said: Maybe because there are 6 people of color I the state of VT.... That doesn’t change anything. It also doesn’t matter if they are handing out free grilled cheese sandwiches instead of vaccines. The govt should not prioritize services based on race, gender/sex, disability status, etc. It’s a really bad idea to go backwards on this stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, PhineasC said: That doesn’t change anything. It also doesn’t matter if they are handing out free grilled cheese sandwiches instead of vaccines. The govt should not prioritize services based on race, gender/sex, disability status, etc. It’s a really bad idea to go backwards on this stuff. How about age? That seemed like a good idea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: How about age? That seemed like a good idea Yeah... I don’t know how else you would have done it outside of age for the most part. The statistics showed severity increased steadily with age. If it had been a free for all, you would have had a bunch of 20 somethings bowling over granny to get their vaccines first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: How about age? That seemed like a good idea Age is strongly correlated to the “vulnerability” standard with COVID, as are other factors such as weight and other health ailments. I am OK with a more-encompassing vulnerability metric. That’s not what the VT tweet said, however. It was strictly race. An 18 year old African American should not be jumping the line over anyone in the 50 and up bracket with existing health issues. Doing so is simply silly pandering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 Look beyond the fact that you “already received your vaccine and so this doesn’t matter.” The fact that the govt is now openly prioritizing services based on race (and patting themselves on the back about it) should concern everyone. I feel like I am shouting into the void on this stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, PhineasC said: That doesn’t change anything. It also doesn’t matter if they are handing out free grilled cheese sandwiches instead of vaccines. The govt should not prioritize services based on race, gender/sex, disability status, etc. It’s a really bad idea to go backwards on this stuff. So I don’t know how VT decisions were made. However, it is possible that some of the groups have higher risk and prevalence increasing the likelihood of spread. We stratify by race in health care all the time based on known risk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, weathafella said: So I don’t know how VT decisions were made. However, it is possible that some of the groups have higher risk and prevalence increasing the likelihood of spread. We stratify by race in health care all the time based on known risk. The tweet in question didn't stratify based on anything but "self-identifying" as a BIPOC, and even said if just one person in your family identifies as such, the whole family can come down for the vaccine and jump the appointment line. I totally understand your point from a medical professional standpoint, but that is not what is happening here. There is no rigor behind this, clearly. It's dangerous racist pandering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, weathafella said: So I don’t know how VT decisions were made. However, it is possible that some of the groups have higher risk and prevalence increasing the likelihood of spread. We stratify by race in health care all the time based on known risk. A 20 year old healthy POC has basically zero risk now do a comorbid 45 yr old white person and stratify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, PhineasC said: Age is strongly correlated to the “vulnerability” standard with COVID, as are other factors such as weight and other health ailments. I am OK with a more-encompassing vulnerability metric. That’s not what the VT tweet said, however. It was strictly race. An 18 year old African American should not be jumping the line over anyone in the 50 and up bracket with existing health issues. Doing so is simply silly pandering. I posted a link showing POC were more vulnerable. Vaccine distribution has also been unevenly distributed based on race. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: I posted a link showing POC were more vulnerable. But all POC are not more vulnerable than cormorbid white or Asian. CT did it right. First LTC, first responders Health Care workers, also over 75 then over 65 and teachers, then over 55, now over 16. Employed mobile vaccine sites in poorer neighborhoods, which in fact , of any color are the most vulnerable group. I salute the CT Dept of Health 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 A case for prioritizing vaccinations ethnically https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, Ginx snewx said: But all POC are not more vulnerable than cormorbid white or Asian. CT did it right. First LTC, first responders Helath Care also over 75 then over 65 and teachers then over 55 now over 16. Employed mobile vaccine sites in poorer neighborhoods, which in fact , of any color are the most vulnerable group. I salute the CT Dept of Health I agree that it has been done very well in CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: I posted a link showing POC were more vulnerable. Vaccine distribution has also been unevenly distributed based on race. Vulnerable people are vulnerable. Plenty of people from other races are far more vulnerable than healthy, fit African Americans. Prioritize based on real risk, not just race. I mean, I get what you are trying to say, but this is the exact same logic used to justify racial profiling by the police and airport screeners, for example. It could also be used to justify racism in plenty of other domains, such as college admissions and sports scholarships. There is a reason tons of blood, sweat, and tears were spent over the centuries to address this and get protections against it codified in law... It's crazy to me how fast we went from mandating people not see race when making decisions to mandating people see nothing BUT race in decision-making... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Fortunately, in a short period of time, there will be so many vaccines available you will get one in a Happy Meal Of course in states like Alabama and Mississippi it has been a disaster to roll out. Oof 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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