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2021 Mid-Atlantic Severe Weather - General Discussion


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Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
546 PM EDT Fri Aug 13 2021

DCC001-MDC031-033-VAC013-059-153-510-600-610-683-685-132200-
/O.CON.KLWX.SV.W.0410.000000T0000Z-210813T2200Z/
District of Columbia DC-Montgomery MD-Prince Georges MD-
City of Fairfax VA-Arlington VA-City of Falls Church VA-Fairfax VA-
City of Manassas Park VA-Prince William VA-City of Manassas VA-
City of Alexandria VA-
546 PM EDT Fri Aug 13 2021

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 600 PM EDT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA...SOUTHEASTERN MONTGOMERY...NORTHERN
PRINCE GEORGES...ARLINGTON...FAIRFAX...AND SOUTHEASTERN PRINCE
WILLIAM COUNTIES...THE CITY OF FAIRFAX...THE CITY OF FALLS CHURCH...
THE CITY OF MANASSAS PARK...THE CITY OF MANASSAS AND THE CITY OF
ALEXANDRIA...

At 545 PM EDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from College Park to near Centreville, moving east at 15
mph.

HAZARD...Golf ball size hail and 70 mph wind gusts, particularly
         near Oakton, Fairfax, Reston and Vienna. Golf ball size
         hail and trees and power lines blown down have been
         reported with this storm.

SOURCE...Radar indicated.

IMPACT...Expect wind damage to trees and power lines. Hail is large
         enough to dent and damage vehicles. Some hail damage to
         roofs, siding, and windows is possible.

Locations impacted include...
Arlington, Alexandria, Centreville, Dale City, Bethesda, Reston,
Bowie, Annandale, Springfield, College Park, Fort Washington,
Greenbelt, Fairfax, Langley Park, Beltsville, Fort Hunt, Vienna,
Groveton, Forestville and Falls Church.
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PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
547 PM EDT FRI AUG 13 2021

..TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON...
..DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE....
            ..REMARKS..

0543 PM     HAIL             1 SSE OAKTON            38.88N  77.29W
08/13/2021  M1.75 INCH       FAIRFAX            VA   TRAINED SPOTTER

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44 minutes ago, yoda said:
Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
546 PM EDT Fri Aug 13 2021

DCC001-MDC031-033-VAC013-059-153-510-600-610-683-685-132200-
/O.CON.KLWX.SV.W.0410.000000T0000Z-210813T2200Z/
District of Columbia DC-Montgomery MD-Prince Georges MD-
City of Fairfax VA-Arlington VA-City of Falls Church VA-Fairfax VA-
City of Manassas Park VA-Prince William VA-City of Manassas VA-
City of Alexandria VA-
546 PM EDT Fri Aug 13 2021

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 600 PM EDT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA...SOUTHEASTERN MONTGOMERY...NORTHERN
PRINCE GEORGES...ARLINGTON...FAIRFAX...AND SOUTHEASTERN PRINCE
WILLIAM COUNTIES...THE CITY OF FAIRFAX...THE CITY OF FALLS CHURCH...
THE CITY OF MANASSAS PARK...THE CITY OF MANASSAS AND THE CITY OF
ALEXANDRIA...

At 545 PM EDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from College Park to near Centreville, moving east at 15
mph.

HAZARD...Golf ball size hail and 70 mph wind gusts, particularly
         near Oakton, Fairfax, Reston and Vienna. Golf ball size
         hail and trees and power lines blown down have been
         reported with this storm.

SOURCE...Radar indicated.

IMPACT...Expect wind damage to trees and power lines. Hail is large
         enough to dent and damage vehicles. Some hail damage to
         roofs, siding, and windows is possible.

Locations impacted include...
Arlington, Alexandria, Centreville, Dale City, Bethesda, Reston,
Bowie, Annandale, Springfield, College Park, Fort Washington,
Greenbelt, Fairfax, Langley Park, Beltsville, Fort Hunt, Vienna,
Groveton, Forestville and Falls Church.

Can attest to the wind damage.  This was one of the most intense events we've had IVO our house NW of Vienna since the derecho (which I missed while in Ohio).  The gusts were easily in excess of 60.  Our front yard looks like a war zone now.  Lots of entire trees and large limbs down all around.  Lost power with no ETA for restoration of service.  Received 1.58" so far.  Needed the rain, but not like this.    

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Dodged in MBY the intense stuff again, but there's been a rolling thunderstorm for a couple of hours now and just when I thought things were winding down, I heard a long low rumble. I've been doing some work and haven't checked the radar or this site, but have the windows open, drinking a beer of course, and it's like the bygone era: a thunderstorm that eventually quits and just when you think the action is over for the night, there are signs there's more to come. But you don't know for sure because the umbilical cord of Internet real-time data is not there to verify it for you or not. And, in this past time, you're too lazy to go down and turn on the TV and the weather radar they used to broadcast on cable channel 98. So it's a surprise: that grumble or thunder, or a sudden flash of light or, if you're really lucky, a CG strike in the neighborhood, hitting one of the nearby TV transmission towers, whose sound mainlines right down the spinal cord and would upset the dogs (if I still had them, may they RIP.) Sometimes nights like this are best when you just shut out the real-time data and coverage, and do something else with the windows open, non-weather related, but all the while in the back of your mind you're waiting to hear (or see) whether the convection can keep on keeping on. Then there's an opening act, loud or subtle, a flash or a flicker, and you remember why weather is so damn invigorating, even if it's not extreme.

And then, while you're typing an attempt to capture the moment, the feeling of a summer thunderstorm that won't quit, or a train of them following the boundary the first one put down, and then you hear the crickets, and realize 1) that the show is probably over for the evening and 2) that the summer has passed the peak of its ziggurat, and a little melancholy seeps in, and for both reasons: hearing the crickets and not hearing a storm. But then you wander over to SPC and realize that tomorrow is a marginal risk, and expectation springs anew. 

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Just now, mattie g said:

The HRRR has been awful all week. Couldn’t even care less what it shows.

Yeah it hasn't been very good with this pulse stuff. Not sure that's even just it - the NAM nest has been off as well. I think it just has to do with how pulsey things have been. No way for even a mesoscale model to figure out exactly where the first storms will pop and then getting outflow right is even tougher. 

That said - I do think south of DC is where I'd rather be for storms today. The front is around - so if you're on the right side of it that'll help as well. DCAPE is substantially lower in most of the area today as well. 

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2 hours ago, Eskimo Joe said:

Got a screenshot of what it looks like?

Prior to the last day or so - KLWX was blue like that but all the TDWRs were grey and wouldn't return any data. Can confirm it's not due to a GR update as both machines were on 2.92 before and after it popped up. 

TDWR.PNG

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7 minutes ago, Kmlwx said:

NAM is solid for the Fred remnants. 

           I was just coming in to post the same thing.    The NAM/NAM3 and extrapolated HRRR and some of the HiResWindows look very interesting for Wednesday.   Hodographs look impressive, and this certainly gets our attention:

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7 minutes ago, high risk said:

           I was just coming in to post the same thing.    The NAM/NAM3 and extrapolated HRRR and some of the HiResWindows look very interesting for Wednesday.   Hodographs look impressive, and this certainly gets our attention:

 

 

Certainly not expecting an Ivan-esque outbreak - but there seems to be some decent agreement now that the remnants will post an iso tor threat (as well as some isolated flooding risk as well). What a wet pattern lately! 

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2 hours ago, Kmlwx said:

Certainly not expecting an Ivan-esque outbreak - but there seems to be some decent agreement now that the remnants will post an iso tor threat (as well as some isolated flooding risk as well). What a wet pattern lately! 

Wednesday could be a sneaky overperforming event for us.

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3 minutes ago, Kmlwx said:

No risk area on the D3 SPC outlook. So that means at this range we are absolutely in business ;) 

IMO, SPC is smart to not highlight at D3 for this area. A subtle shift of 50 miles in the track is a big deal for downstream impacts. For the next couple of days, I would argue it's worthwhile to look upstream at these items:

1.) Location of flooding and heavy rain versus the forecast placement.

2.) Location of severe weather, tornadic activity in particular, versus the forecast placement.

3.) Overall expanse of the warm sector and whether it's dirty or big breaks in the clouds.

4.) Speed of the system.

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