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Monday Feb 15 - midday Feb 16, 2021 Significant Winter Ice Event interior

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Back to the storm....please. Im not moving posts. 

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fwiw... GFSv16 is back running (12z cycle). Unsure how it long it will continue. LI not much snow but some ice and looks like a fair amount of snow/ice I84 corridor or maybe north of that? Back tomorr

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859AM/14:  The GGEM/RGEM are going to win this Monday battle of no precip vs freezing precip occurring. The 06z EC and lesser so GFS, are capitulating to a two part event beginning Monday morning.  Th

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sussexcountyobs

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1 minute ago, North and West said:


Yes, that and removing snow where you can that will melt and refreeze, causing an ice dam when the inevitable warmup and rain occur.

I took a snow rake to parts around my gutters today.

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Warm up and rain is fine. You only get ice damning when temps are below freezing, and either sun or heat loss from your house melts snow on your roof and then freezes over your eves. Ice and snow shield under your shingles is very important to prevent water entering house. Minimum 3 feet up from gutters towards ridge. I have 6 feet.

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24 minutes ago, North and West said:


Check out the insulation in the spring. You’re likely under insulated at the corners of your roof, allowing heat to escape and melt the under layer of the snow, thus contributing to icicles.


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Every house has this problem. It’s normal with this amount of snow and persistent cold. Insulation has nothing to do with it, that’s why people install heat tracers in there gutters. 

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25 minutes ago, sussexcountyobs said:

Warm up and rain is fine. You only get ice damning when temps are below freezing, and either sun or heat loss from your house melts snow on your roof and then freezes over your eves. Ice and snow shield under your shingles is very important to prevent water entering house. Minimum 3 feet up from gutters towards ridge. I have 6 feet.

CT changed the code to 6 feet after the winter of 10-11.   It was crazy here with all the insurance claims.   I just had our roof done this fall and they went up 8 feet.  No more roof raking for me.

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Every house has this problem. It’s normal with this amount of snow and persistent cold. Insulation has nothing to do with it, that’s why people install heat tracers in there gutters. 

Some have the issue more pronounced than others. Easy to see now with the cold and who is melting and icicle formation.


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1 hour ago, sussexcountyobs said:

Warm up and rain is fine. You only get ice damning when temps are below freezing, and either sun or heat loss from your house melts snow on your roof and then freezes over your eves. Ice and snow shield under your shingles is very important to prevent water entering house. Minimum 3 feet up from gutters towards ridge. I have 6 feet.

I gave gutter deicers and roof racked about 1 foot back. The deicers had a tough time keeping up. Chopped ice for about 4 hours today. Hope the 18z porn maps don’t come to fruition for the next 2 weeks. :lol:

 

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20 minutes ago, EpicHECS said:

See, this I just don't remember at all. Up by me, a good 65 miles northwest of NYC, the only event I can recall that wound up quite like you're describing was in '96...after the blizzard. There was a warmup and system with torrential rains. The flooding was extreme and before it even subsided - the temps absolutely plummeted in the end. Yards looked like frozen ponds and a *lot* of people had problems with their roofing/siding, etc. It looked like a northwest glacier out there. 

It's got to be 1994, right?  I was about to post the other day how for my frame of reference, which starts about 1979 (I remember the blizzard of 78 but just barely), no other year comes close to 1994 for number of days that side streets were snow and ice-packed.  1994 must've had, Iet's say 4-5 times as many days with snow and ice-packed side streets than whatever year comes in 2nd.

1996 and its legendary snow totals had quite a few warmups along the way.  I remember hitting golf balls with a light jacket one day in mid February that year thinking 'this crazy winter is almost over', not realizing that we had a ways to go and that we'd go over 90 inches on April 10th, at least out in Brookhaven or thereabouts.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, EpicHECS said:

It took me a bit here but I finally have Jan '93 back in my mind. Excuse me, as I'm only 38 and there was a lot to sift through there lol. 

Yeah, the day that the Oilers and Bills had their historic AFC Champ game, is right after this event you're talking about had occurred. It was almost entirely snow up here from 287 on north, east, and west. Where I was (southern Orange County NY) there was a lot of snow on the ground even prior to this event. Everyone was into hockey all of a sudden because right - all of the lakes and ponds were frozen everywhere. With no exception. The fact is that we're talking about the height of the worst winter ever in the Northeast. On record. I was 11, turning 12. /nostalgic tear. 

The icing event you're talking about here did occur but it was in fact well under 1" of ice. Whomever said "inches of ice "is, I'm sorry to say ...wrong. There was no 2-4" of ice for this event. Goes to show you guys what a little flooding before an icing event of .5-.75 (that's what it was) occurs. That could easily happen again. Up by me at the time, this was just another all snow event in a string of many. I told you: I had drifts where I was that you could easily get stuck in up here on foot. It wasn't like the Northeast but more like the Mountain West, in terms of how deep the snow was in some places. You had to be careful out in the woods. It was laughably deep in January and February. We're in the middle of an active 2020/2021 winter here but if you turn back the clock to this time in 1994 - there isn't even the most remote comparison. Jan and Feb '94 are a good 8-9 weeks of the most brutal winter that we'll probably ever see here in the Northeast US. I'm 38, turning 39. If I spend the rest of my life right here in the Hudson Valley - I doubt I'll ever see a winter like that again. It was that extreme of an outlier. 

Yup, it was brutal. I'm also in HV a little north of Poughkeepsie. I haven't seen a combination of snow and cold like that since. I hit -23 that winter and spent a lot of time clearing ice dams off of my roof. 

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On 2/11/2021 at 12:04 AM, EpicHECS said:

I replied to this in another thread: There was NO 2-4" freezing rain event in the the NY area back in January of '94. I have no idea what you're getting this confused with because there has never been an ice storm of that magnitude in these areas. I also don't live anywhere near Allentown. I'm quite far north of you. 

I never said 2-4" LOL.....it was more like an 1.5-2"  we got close to 2" of freezing rain here on the south shore of Long Island, it wasn't hard to measure, there was about that much of it sticking to my damn railings.

 

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http://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/weather/1994/07-Jan-94.html

 

here we go

 

Ice accretion from freezing rain exceeded 1 inch across much of central New Jersey, making this the worst ice storm in modern times across this part of the state

 

There were only two pure snow storms out of all these events, the first and the last one.

Snow storm, December 29-30, 1993
Ice storm, January 3-4, 1994
Ice storm, January 7-8, 1994
Snow and ice storm, January 17-18, 1994
Snow storm, January 25-26, 1994
Snow and ice storm, February 8-9, 1994
Snow and ice storm, February 11, 1994
Snow and ice storm, February 23-24, 1994
Snow and ice storm, March 2-3, 1994
Snow storm, March 18, 1994

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Very true, the Jan 94 ice storm was .5-.75” of ice. Impactful but not significant. If we were to ever have a 1”+ ice storm in the metro it would make any of our wind events looks like a walk in the park as far as power issues 

http://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/weather/1994/07-Jan-94.html

It was well over 1" here on the south shore, I measured it myself (wasn't hard to measure, I had over 1.5" inches of a clear ice sticking to everything.  There was very little wind, therefore no power outages and it looked rather beautiful outside.

 

here we go

 

Ice accretion from freezing rain exceeded 1 inch across much of central New Jersey, making this the worst ice storm in modern times across this part of the state

 

There were only two pure snow storms out of all these events, the first and the last one.

Snow storm, December 29-30, 1993
Ice storm, January 3-4, 1994
Ice storm, January 7-8, 1994
Snow and ice storm, January 17-18, 1994
Snow storm, January 25-26, 1994
Snow and ice storm, February 8-9, 1994
Snow and ice storm, February 11, 1994
Snow and ice storm, February 23-24, 1994
Snow and ice storm, March 2-3, 1994
Snow storm, March 18, 1994

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15 hours ago, scoobydoo1 said:

I live in central jersey and it was either following the blizzard of 96 or in 94

We turned the soccer fields into ice hockey rinks.

All the towns street hockey "players" we had a few groups who'd play on different freshly paved streets all over the town.

 

All converged on the soccer fields, with ice skates.

 

Schools were shut down for the entire week.

We played ice hockey on socker fields monday thrhough friday.

The first day I was able to ice skate across town to the soccer field which was a mile skate.

 

Never experienced anything like it before or since.

Inches of ice.

Yeah see the post from Famartin's blog, we got between 1.5-2 inches of ice, central NJ has a very similar climo to the south shore of western Nassau county

 

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