Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: Fair point but hail is so clearly a convective phenomenon associated with strong updrafts in warm season thunderstorms, one would think observers would be taught to differentiate. As you say though, they are both ice haha. And yes, if hail were able to be counted then we'd expect to see many more days during the warm season with Trace amounts listed but we don't sooooooo.........great discussion Bubbler, thanks for entertaining my tangent on this random Tuesday morning ha. Would love to hear other's thoughts. Thanks, same to you. I frankly thought most of the August and July snow reports were along the same line of our grandparents telling us they walked 5 miles to school in 3 feet of snow and no shoes. But your run down of actual NWS reports makes it a bit more intriguing as to the hows and whys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Today's high was 62. At 11:30, it's 66. I think Harrisburg hits 75 later this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: Thanks, same to you. I frankly thought most of the August and July snow reports were along the same line of our grandparents telling us they walked 5 miles to school in 3 feet of snow and no shoes. But your run down of actual NWS reports makes it a bit more intriguing as to the hows and whys. Haha I assumed the same. However, this is supposed to be our official climate site from which our climate record is established and records/norms are broken/set, no!? I guess my expectations are just too high, naive to think there wasn't some errant reporting going on back in the day. So, I did a random spot check of the daily almanac for most of those Trace reports for June through August and sure enough they were all very warm days with substantial precip reported (i.e. T'storms and hail). But again, you'd think there would be a few more given the period of record extending back to 1889. Who knows. I will say, if my limited research is any indication, it appears as though last year's May 9th snow event was in fact the latest in the season Harrisburg has ever recorded snow. Fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 URGENT - SPRINGTIME WEATHER MESSAGE Itstrainingtime Weather Service Maytown PA 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...Significant home interior warmth conditions developing... PA CTP Maytown / Northwest Lancaster County- 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING WARNING IS IN AFFECT THROUGH THURSDAY MARCH 11TH... * WHAT...Home interior temperatures rising above 65 degrees * WHERE...Maytown/Lancaster County * WHEN...Until midnight Thursday * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Be prepared for central air to be turned on for 1st time in 2021 PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Central Air Conditioning Storm Warning means that air conditioning start up is occurring or imminent. Plan on reduced temperatures beginning shortly after the onset of system startup, and allow for plenty of exterior noise as the outdoor fan runs. Temperatures inside the home should return to more comfortable levels following startup. Remember - Don't suffer, turn on the Air Conditioning! Many people suffer unnecessarily from high interior temperatures. Running A/C reduces temperatures and saves lives resulting from heat stroke. $$ Mike 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: Haha I assumed the same. However, this is supposed to be our official climate site from which our climate record is established and records/norms are broken/set, no!? I guess my expectations are just too high, naive to think there wasn't some errant reporting going on back in the day. So, I did a random spot check of the daily almanac for most of those Trace reports for June through August and sure enough they were all very warm days with substantial precip reported (i.e. T'storms and hail). But again, you'd think there would be a few more given the period of record extending back to 1889. Who knows. I will say, if my limited research is any indication, it appears as though last year's May 9th snow event was in fact the latest in the season Harrisburg has ever recorded snow. Fascinating. Good research. I think it's safe to assume it had not snowed that often in the summer. My mom insists one summer day she saw snow flakes falling in the 40's despite it being in the 60's or 70's. She went as far as to claim she went outside and let them land on her and watch them melt. The science of it does not add up though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: URGENT - SPRINGTIME WEATHER MESSAGE Itstrainingtime Weather Service Maytown PA 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...Significant home interior warmth conditions developing... PA CTP Maytown / Northwest Lancaster County- 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING WARNING IS IN AFFECT THROUGH THURSDAY MARCH 11TH... * WHAT...Home interior temperatures rising above 65 degrees * WHERE...Maytown/Lancaster County * WHEN...Until midnight Thursday * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Be prepared for central air to be turned on for 1st time in 2021 PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Central Air Conditioning Storm Warning means that air conditioning start up is occurring or imminent. Plan on reduced temperatures beginning shortly after the onset of system startup, and allow for plenty of exterior noise as the outdoor fan runs. Temperatures inside the home should return to more comfortable levels following startup. Remember - Don't suffer, turn on the Air Conditioning! Many people suffer unnecessarily from high interior temperatures. Running A/C reduces temperatures and saves lives resulting from heat stroke. $$ Mike LOL, Sweet. Hilarious. Mine is staying wrapped up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, canderson said: Today's high was 62. At 11:30, it's 66. I think Harrisburg hits 75 later this week. its been cloudy here most of the day and is just up to 56. Your AFD does say mostly sunny though so you have got yourself a bust :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, losetoa6 said: Significant changes on the Latest Gefs at h5 for early week. Lookin wintery Yep, and the Op's of varying countries are responding as such. Whether it snows or not is debatable but the theme of the 12Z runs so far has been much colder next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: URGENT - SPRINGTIME WEATHER MESSAGE Itstrainingtime Weather Service Maytown PA 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...Significant home interior warmth conditions developing... PA CTP Maytown / Northwest Lancaster County- 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING WARNING IS IN AFFECT THROUGH THURSDAY MARCH 11TH... * WHAT...Home interior temperatures rising above 65 degrees * WHERE...Maytown/Lancaster County * WHEN...Until midnight Thursday * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Be prepared for central air to be turned on for 1st time in 2021 PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Central Air Conditioning Storm Warning means that air conditioning start up is occurring or imminent. Plan on reduced temperatures beginning shortly after the onset of system startup, and allow for plenty of exterior noise as the outdoor fan runs. Temperatures inside the home should return to more comfortable levels following startup. Remember - Don't suffer, turn on the Air Conditioning! Many people suffer unnecessarily from high interior temperatures. Running A/C reduces temperatures and saves lives resulting from heat stroke. $$ Mike OH MY Please help. LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Approaching noon and it's 63.4 here. Making a run at 70 today and I think some warm spots push 80 in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: URGENT - SPRINGTIME WEATHER MESSAGE Itstrainingtime Weather Service Maytown PA 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...Significant home interior warmth conditions developing... PA CTP Maytown / Northwest Lancaster County- 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING WARNING IS IN AFFECT THROUGH THURSDAY MARCH 11TH... * WHAT...Home interior temperatures rising above 65 degrees * WHERE...Maytown/Lancaster County * WHEN...Until midnight Thursday * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Be prepared for central air to be turned on for 1st time in 2021 PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Central Air Conditioning Storm Warning means that air conditioning start up is occurring or imminent. Plan on reduced temperatures beginning shortly after the onset of system startup, and allow for plenty of exterior noise as the outdoor fan runs. Temperatures inside the home should return to more comfortable levels following startup. Remember - Don't suffer, turn on the Air Conditioning! Many people suffer unnecessarily from high interior temperatures. Running A/C reduces temperatures and saves lives resulting from heat stroke. $$ Mike Well played sir, well played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: Approaching noon and it's 63.4 here. Making a run at 70 today and I think some warm spots push 80 in a few days. THE HRRR is on the ball with the early high temps but seems to keep any additional raises down to a 2-3 degree total. Interesting to see if you make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mount Joy Snowman Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: Haha I assumed the same. However, this is supposed to be our official climate site from which our climate record is established and records/norms are broken/set, no!? I guess my expectations are just too high, naive to think there wasn't some errant reporting going on back in the day. So, I did a random spot check of the daily almanac for most of those Trace reports for June through August and sure enough they were all very warm days with substantial precip reported (i.e. T'storms and hail). But again, you'd think there would be a few more given the period of record extending back to 1889. Who knows. I will say, if my limited research is any indication, it appears as though last year's May 9th snow event was in fact the latest in the season Harrisburg has ever recorded snow. Fascinating. Well I just found the following under the NWS's snow measurement guidelines: Note: Hail accumulation is not entered with snow and ice pellets. The plot hath thicketh! It appears we have a number of erroneous snow reports in the official record books. Perhaps these guidelines are newer but in any case I think we need a full investigation conducted by a council of American Weather Forum's greatest minds. Alright alright I digress..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said: Well I just found the following under the NWS's snow measurement guidelines: Note: Hail accumulation is not entered with snow and ice pellets. The plot hath thicketh! It appears we have a number of erroneous snow reports in the official record books. Perhaps these guidelines are newer but in any case I think we need a full investigation conducted by a council of American Weather Forum's greatest minds. Alright alright I digress..... I know one poster who will gladly pick this up and run with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Clause Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said: URGENT - SPRINGTIME WEATHER MESSAGE Itstrainingtime Weather Service Maytown PA 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...Significant home interior warmth conditions developing... PA CTP Maytown / Northwest Lancaster County- 11:35 AM EST Tue Mar 9 2021 ...CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING WARNING IS IN AFFECT THROUGH THURSDAY MARCH 11TH... * WHAT...Home interior temperatures rising above 65 degrees * WHERE...Maytown/Lancaster County * WHEN...Until midnight Thursday * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Be prepared for central air to be turned on for 1st time in 2021 PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A Central Air Conditioning Storm Warning means that air conditioning start up is occurring or imminent. Plan on reduced temperatures beginning shortly after the onset of system startup, and allow for plenty of exterior noise as the outdoor fan runs. Temperatures inside the home should return to more comfortable levels following startup. Remember - Don't suffer, turn on the Air Conditioning! Many people suffer unnecessarily from high interior temperatures. Running A/C reduces temperatures and saves lives resulting from heat stroke. $$ Mike This is hall of fame level stuff here lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasnownut Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Bubbler86 said: Yep, and the Op's of varying countries are responding as such. Whether it snows or not is debatable but the theme of the 12Z runs so far has been much colder next week. You said nearly the same at 6z.... sounds like your theme may be looking like a trend. Was just at a clients.....I hate it already. #sweatin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, pasnownut said: You said nearly the same at 6z.... sounds like your theme may be looking like a trend. Was just at a clients.....I hate it already. #sweatin Yep, 6Z was colder and 12Z is even colder. The prospects of more March winter hit rock bottom on the 12Z Euro yesterday and has been trending back up since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Up to 68 but it’s getting more cloudy so might peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Well we at least know Denver is going to get March snow. LOL. EURO my goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, paweather said: Well we at least know Denver is going to get March snow. LOL. EURO my goodness. I am focused on the Euro showing it snowing in the southern LSV mid day Tuesday with temps below freezing :-). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: I am focused on the Euro showing it snowing in the southern LSV mid day Tuesday with temps below freezing :-). Well we also at least know next week isn't going to be like this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 D$mn cutter @ 222. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, paweather said: D$mn cutter @ 222. LOL, take a look at the Euro from yesterday...and the extreme changes in both ground truth weather and upper air patterns for early next week as of today, and take anything the Euro says 7-10 out with a grain of salt. The Euro has completely evacuated the east of cold air at 222 while the GFS and CMC have completely different timing and results. The GFS is a cutter....Euro is more like a staller and transferer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Well interesting not the result we want but not the cutter I said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Bubbler86 said: LOL, take a look at the Euro from yesterday...and the extreme changes in both ground truth weather and upper air patterns for early next week as of today, and take anything the Euro says 7-10 out with a grain of salt. Isn't that the TRUTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 On a roll today. Taking over the train controls for a bit. Have to like this EC Ens Average map picked up off the MA. Canadian and American counterparts were similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said: On a roll today. Taking over the train controls for a bit. Have to like this EC Ens Average map picked up off the MA. Canadian and American counterparts were similar. Lock it in. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Clause Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Snows coming!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paweather Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said: Snows coming!!! Williamsport Train is "ALL ABOARD" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbler86 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, paweather said: Lock it in. :-) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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