snowman19 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 3:41 PM, HVSnowLover said: Yep NAM on it’s own right now Expand The NAM is in its own universe right now. Outlier in every sense of the word. Upton is going to have to drop total up this way, all the new model runs are spitting out only 2-3 inches total for my area (Rockland) this afternoon. The 6z Euro had 2 inches, there is pretty good agreement and consensus now. This is shaping up to be a very minor event NW of NYC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 4:55 PM, snowman19 said: The NAM is in its own universe right now. Outlier in every sense of the word. Upton is going to have to drop total up this way, all the new model runs are spitting out only 2-3 inches total for my area (Rockland) this afternoon. The 6z Euro had 2 inches, there is pretty good agreement and consensus now. This is shaping up to be a very minor event NW of NYC Expand Ukie/rgem say minor event everywhere but they may be underdone on the other extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 4:54 PM, MJO812 said: Ukie has only 1-3 inches Jeez Expand Yep, this is quickly becoming a very minor event, especially NW of NYC. None of the new model runs have more than 2-3 inches total for my area now. The NAM is on drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 4:58 PM, snowman19 said: Yep, this is quickly becoming a very minor event, especially NW of NYC. None of the new model runs have more than 2-3 inches total for my area now. The NAM is on drugs Expand Models have really sucked this winter and past years. It is sad how we can't even trust them a day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 This looks like a WWA event with 2-4 inches near the coast and less inland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:00 PM, MJO812 said: This looks like a WWA event with 2-4 inches near the coast and less inland. Expand I'm sticking with 4-8" Nearly perfect track with intensifying low will not yield 2-4" totals for the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:03 PM, SnoSki14 said: I'm sticking with 4-8" Nearly perfect track with intensifying low will not yield 2-4" totals for the coast. Expand I'm just going with the models right now but I agree. Low coming out of the gulf shouldn't be this weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 4:59 PM, MJO812 said: Models have really sucked this winter and past years. It is sad how we can't even trust them a day out. Expand I disagree. Models have never been more accurate. People need to stop obsessing over QPF and vendor snow maps and start looking at the model panels - 850mb, 700mb, 500mb etc. We have model information overload these days, and people see what they want to see. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:03 PM, SnoSki14 said: I'm sticking with 4-8" Nearly perfect track with intensifying low will not yield 2-4" totals for the coast. Expand It’s not nearly perfect it’s a bit too Far East for a nyc jackpot and also super fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexcountyobs Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Can you imagine if Upton, or Mt. Holly changed their advisories or snow totals on every new model run that comes out every couple hours? The public's confusion would be epic. They would probably just be dismissed as pathetic. I know I would dismiss them. That's why they don't do it. Let's see what they say on the afternoon update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:03 PM, SnoSki14 said: I'm sticking with 4-8" Nearly perfect track with intensifying low will not yield 2-4" totals for the coast. Expand Whoever can stay snow along the coast - particularly eastern sections, has a shot at 6" of snow I think. But the forecasted SLP is pretty far offshore and it's moving quickly. There isn't a well-defined mid-level circulation to throw moisture back over us. There's a lot more to snow accumulations than track and surface pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 2:45 AM, uncle W said: Expand In the age of COVID, even this commercial has special resonance.....right into the nose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:10 PM, WestBabylonWeather said: Kind of crazy that a day away we can’t forecast a storm properly because the models are all over the place. Expand It looks like a pretty straight forward 2-4" forecast for now with a mention of up to 6" or so if and where banding sets up. Model consensus overall is pretty good IMO. The NAM track is slightly west of consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e46and2 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:21 PM, jfklganyc said: They have been spot on. You just dont like what they are telling you. There hasnt been one storm that occurred or didnt occur that wasnt accurately modeled when within the proper range of the model. This is a scraper. Has been for days. This forum is trying to make this Blizzard Part 2. You will be disappointed if you do that. 3-6 inches. If we are lucky. Expand this was not obvious to anyone in the way you are making it seem. red taggers have been waffling for days on this storm as well, with forky warning it could come further NW and threaten coastal sections with rain. i agree people like to see what they want to see, but to imply this has been a "scraper" for days isn't totally fair. we are simply reaching that consensus now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:21 PM, jfklganyc said: They have been spot on. You just dont like what they are telling you. There hasnt been one storm that occurred or didnt occur that wasnt accurately modeled when within the proper range of the model. This is a scraper. Has been for days. This forum is trying to make this Blizzard Part 2. You will be disappointed if you do that. 3-6 inches. If we are lucky. Expand They have been spot on ? Uh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:25 PM, e46and2 said: this was not obvious to anyone in the way you are making it seem. red taggers have been waffling for days on this storm as well, with forky warning it could come further NW and threaten coastal sections with rain. i agree people like to see what they want to see, but to imply this has been a "scraper" for days isn't totally fair. we are simply reaching that consensus now. Expand Forky stated how he thought this storm was going to be more northwest which can still happen but we are running out of time. The models have been awful with this storm. This looks like a few inches to me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e46and2 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:27 PM, MJO812 said: Forky stated how he thought this storm was going to be more northwest which can still happen but we are running out of time. The models have been awful with this storm. This looks like a few inches to me Expand wasn't an insult to forky, simply pointing out how this was never an obvious forecast for those thinking the outcome has been locked in for days. i wouldn't say awful. they vary quite a bit for sensible weather in our tiny geographic area of the world, but the reality is the overall synoptics are only shifting slightly. the chance you take being on the razor's edge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 I’m not too concerned about the Ukmet. There might not be too many that get over 6” but should still be a decent snow pack reinforcer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:27 PM, MJO812 said: Forky stated how he thought this storm was going to be more northwest which can still happen but we are running out of time. The models have been awful with this storm. This looks like a few inches to me Expand All the way home from running errands I am hearing on the news on radio 3-6 inches and intensity ( with one station going 5-9 ) and it sounds like a lock. I get home, come here and find that we're more like 1-3.....jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:32 PM, weatherpruf said: All the way home from running errands I am hearing on the news on radio 36 inches and intensity ( with one station going 5-9 ) and it sounds like a lock. I get home, come here and find that we're more like 1-3.....jeez Expand Globals are weaker compared to the Nam and Herpie derpes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat5hurricane Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 4:59 PM, MJO812 said: Models have really sucked this winter and past years. It is sad how we can't even trust them a day out. Expand The models pretty much nailed the last event only a day out. They've been fine. This was never going to be a big event because the storm is moving so fast, it's a moderate sized 3-6 inch deal less west more east. The models never spit out a major event with this one, at least not the consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 4:58 PM, snowman19 said: Yep, this is quickly becoming a very minor event, especially NW of NYC. None of the new model runs have more than 2-3 inches total for my area now. The NAM is on drugs Expand Glad we don’t live there 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:37 PM, kat5hurricane said: The models pretty much nailed the last event only a day out. They've been fine. This was never going to be a big event because the storm is moving so fast, it's a moderate sized 3-6 inch deal less west more east. The models never spit out a major event with this one, at least not the consensus. Expand Euro did while we were digging our from the last storm lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 The mid-level s/w on most guidance is not very sharp, which inhibits the precip. shield from making it too far NW and also allows the system to be shunted eastward. But the solution is very sensitive to the s/w sharpness. Heavier banding could easily shift 50 miles one way or the other from a very minor change in upper level features. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:10 PM, WestBabylonWeather said: Kind of crazy that a day away we can’t forecast a storm properly because the models are all over the place. Expand They aren’t really. 12z NAM in its own I’d be surprised if it holds at 18z. Right now thinking 2-4 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexcountyobs Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 My forecast hasn't waivered since early yesterday morning. 3-5". We are only under WWA. I'd be happy with just 2" honestly. That would put me at 50" for the season. Plus, after this storm we have at least 3 snow potentials in the next week and a half. By mid February, I will maybe be at 60" or above. With 2nd half of February and all of March to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HVSnowLover Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 ECM came a little southeast as well. If NAM caves upton should cancel WSW west of Long Island Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 6:02 PM, HVSnowLover said: ECM came a little southeast as well. If NAM caves upton should cancel WSW west of Long Island Expand 3-6 on the euro for the metro area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 6:02 PM, HVSnowLover said: ECM came a little southeast as well. If NAM caves upton should cancel WSW west of Long Island Expand Yep, it has 2 inches for Rockland and Bergen. Pretty much guaranteed Upton drops totals down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Gorilla Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 5:51 PM, sussexcountyobs said: My forecast hasn't waivered since early yesterday morning. 3-5". We are only under WWA. I'd be happy with just 2" honestly. That would put me at 50" for the season. Plus, after this storm we have at least 3 snow potentials in the next week and a half. By mid February, I will maybe be at 60" or above. With 2nd half of February and all of March to go. Expand Same. If our area only gets a 2-3 inch refresher, I am OK with it. Lot more snow chances to come. Plus I have plans tomorrow that I want to see through without much snow disruption 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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