February Banter 2021

[CAPE]

10 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

My fault. I thought we were in banter because I replied last time here. Didn’t realize I was responding to another reply in the main thread. @RevWarReenactor just respond in here if you want to discuss climo stuff. 

I admire your persistence. He hasn't posted here for ages, and when he comes back, its the same exact shit as before he left- despite you having already explained it in every way conceivable (and it isn't complicated) Good luck!

[Bob Chill]

So I finally button up an intense week and did a quick scan of the board. Here's what I found

1) even though the horse has literally been beaten dead, resurrected, and beaten dead again, the same ridiculous and excessively stupid debate about MD/DE/NJ/PA snow climo finds its way back. Again. And it still makes my eyes bleed and makes we want to threaten innocent yard rodents' lives with my foot

2) Nothern stream lows that track north of us with avg at best temps have never once been a good snow setup here but somehow monday is different

3) The digital storm next friday is so locked and loaded that it's already time to parse details of every op run from over a week out. Which makes sense considering how amazingly predictable long and mid range has been this year. Short range has been an epic disaster though so nothing to worry about until the night before the storm. I'm in

[CAPE]

1 minute ago, Bob Chill said:

So I finally button up an intense week and did a quick scan of the board. Here's what I found

1) even though the horse has literally been beaten dead, resurrected, and beaten dead again, the same ridiculous and excessively stupid debate about MD/DE/NJ/PA snow climo finds its way back. Again. And it still makes my eyes bleed and make we want to threaten innocent yard rodents

2) Nothern stream lows that track north of us with avg at best temps have never once been a good snow setup here but somehow monday is different

3) The digital storm next friday is so locked and loaded that it's already time to parse details of every op run from over a week out. Which makes sense considering how amazingly predictable long and mid range has been this year. Short range has been an epic disaster though so nothing to worry about until the night before the storm. I'm in

You have nailed it my friend, in the correct order (most to least annoying), and the magnitude is nonlinear.

[CAPE]

Who is drinking what?

This is banter and it is Friday and it is HH.

I am having a latte.

[H2O]

1 hour ago, diatae said:

My MIL would fight you in the street.

She would probably win

[H2O]

Just now, CAPE said:

Who is drinking what?

This is banter and it is Friday and it is HH.

I am having a latte.

R&C. Dark rums are my jam lately

[Bob Chill]

Just now, losetoa6 said:

I remember 1 ns low that was basically a reinforcing cold front that dropped cold powder of 6-10" in about 8 hours . It was odd and haven't seen anything like it since . Can't recall year but it was a long time ago.  90s sometime 

It can happen but we really need a heck of an antecedent airmass (and deep to our sw) and a fast moving storm. The leaf of precip on the south side is just a warm front. I'm not writing it off and it's def discussionable (new word!). 

[KAOS]

Just now, CAPE said:

Who is drinking what?

This is banter and it is Friday and it is HH.

I am having a latte.

Sierra Nevada Torpedo

[CAPE]

Just now, H2O said:

R&C. Dark rums are my jam lately

Nice.

I am actually not drinking a latte. I am sure you knew that.

[BucksCO_PA]

2 hours ago, psuhoffman said:

But the perception inst really accurate.  Philly got 3.3" yesterday.  NW of downtown Philly got a LOT more...just like NW parts of our regions got a lot more.  I will say this...places a lot closer to Philly proper do a LOT better then the immediate suburbs here to.  Part of that is latitude advantage and part is geography.  Like I said once you get NW of the fall line it changes...but again places not far NW of Philly average a LOT more snow then DC or Balitmore so again those places are not a fair comp.  South Philly is...but they aren't doing as much better as people think.  They didn't even get that much in the HECS storm 3 weeks ago.  They got a couple inches more then Baltimore!  And there have been plenty of storms in the last 10 years where Baltimore or DC did better then Philly but we seem to forget those!  We don't "complain" when we win lol.  Downtown Philly and south Philly has not been doing that much better then Baltimore in general.  The northern and western burbs of philly have, but those places average a LOT more snow...the snow climo changes a lot more radically over a short distance in that area then our area so taking snow results from a NW burb of philly and comparing it to Baltimore is not a good comp.  

PHL finished with 8.3" during the HECS & BWI had 4.0", so an 8.3" event is not that much LOL

plenty of storms the last 10yrs that BWI or DC did better than PHL??? there's only 3 of any real significance MAR 2014, JAN 2016 & JAN 2019

PHL has not been doing that much better than Baltimore in general, OK if in general means the prior 2 seasons, otherwise the average over the past 10 seasons is not even close:

PHL - 24.1" / BWI - 16.6" / DCA - 11.6"

I didn't include this season since it's still open however at this point the disparity will only increase unless some big changes:

PHL - 23.0" / BWI - 10.0" / DCA - 5.4

[CAPE]

Just now, losetoa6 said:

Yuengling's later for me

this is my 'latte' 

 

[CAPE]

Just now, losetoa6 said:

Never had it . Looks like I'd down it pretty quick though .

It goes down nice and fast. Very good.

[Scraff]

14 minutes ago, losetoa6 said:

Never had it . Looks like I'd down it pretty quick though .

For HH—on my second DIPA from Hidden River Brewing from PA (aka snow country). Tried my first 6 from them over the last few weeks. So good!  It’s in the upper echelon of top Hazy IPAs I’ve had on the East Coast. If you ever find yourself near Douglassville, PA, the beer is absolutely stellar. Cheers!

Eta: Love that Mylar Wizard from BF. 

 

[psuhoffman]

1 hour ago, RevWarReenactor said:

Okay, fair enough. I can't argue too much with this map. But there are some errors on it that help your case and hinder mine. Its just the little details.

I don't believe you can hit Philly and travel essentially due east all the way to the ocean and maintain the same averages. Same goes for Wilmington and going due east to the Ocean. You are downplaying the effect the ocean has on totals in those areas. Granted, once 15-20 miles inland, it becomes less of an issue. But believe me, I lived in Monmouth County for 30+ years, and that Ocean was a killer compared to just another 10-20 miles inland. But when you go in 20 miles, thats half of the county.

So I'd take that 20 inch line, and 25 inch line and eek them up the coast a bit. Which, hate to say it, is more in line with my thinking.

There is simply no way Pt Pleasant NJ, does as well as SE PA and way western hilly burbs of DC.

 

So its kind of slipping hairs. Certainly I-95 south of the DMB has had terrible luck this year.

My lines don’t go due east they go ENE because that’s what the averages do.  I could have drawn that from memory but I looked them up just to confirm.  They do hook north on the immediate coast east of the parkway but that’s a local meso coastal front thing and hard to capture on a map of that scale.  
 

But yes some location right on the beach or within a mile of the ocean in northeast NJ might only average slightly more then a spot in northern Delaware but that’s a very local thing and not a fair comp. go just a few miles inland and the snow climate of northeast/east central NJ is far superior to Wilmington DE. 
 

This is from Isotherms light in the storm website which has excellent climo data on NJ.

 Look at the 21” gradient.  It runs right through center city Philly then look how it runs ENE until it gets to the immediate coast.  Look at the 27” gradient!  It runs south if due east across NJ until the immediate coast!  I didn’t make that up.  Averages aren’t up for debate.  They are mathematically calculated and produce a definitive numerical value.  They are what they are lol. 

Perhaps your perception is skewed because in the mid Atlantic south of Philly due to elevation being a larger factor then latitude and the effect of the Chesapeake bay, the snow gradient does run more SW to NE. But once north of Philly those lines turn more east quick. Part of that is reaching a latitude where snow is more easily supported on the coastal plain.  Part is that a ENE wind suddenly isn’t coming off the Gulf Stream anymore.  
 

Trust me I grew up just south of that gradient. I can remember so many storms where I got 1-3” just east of Philly and 30 miles north of me in NJ got 6-10”. What you saw yesterday isn’t unusual. 

[Bob Chill]

Does anybody really care about anyone's snow climo beyond their own yard? I sure don't. Never understood why people care when areas to our north or south get hit and we fail. It snows all over the globe 12 months a year non stop. Any place outside of my yard is all the same to me irt snow. Nonexistent. Areas of Japan get buried 5 stories deep. Places like that is where we should be envious. Certainly not Scranton. Lol

[EHoffman]

1 minute ago, Bob Chill said:

Does anybody really care about anyone's snow climo beyond their own yard? I sure don't. Never understood why people care when areas to our north or south get hit and we fail. It snows all over the globe 12 months a year non stop. Any place outside of my yard is all the same to me irt snow. Nonexistent. Areas of Japan get buried 5 stories deep. Places like that is where we should be envious. Certainly not Scranton. Lol

Definitely not, every storm I secretly hope everyone else gets screwed so I can max out IMBY

[psuhoffman]

46 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

It can happen but we really need a heck of an antecedent airmass (and deep to our sw) and a fast moving storm. The leaf of precip on the south side is just a warm front. I'm not writing it off and it's def discussionable (new word!). 

It’s a long shot but what makes it even possible is that there is a wave forming on the front. It’s not a closed circulation low or anything but the wave passing south among the front does 2 things, disrupts the straight shot of southerly flow some and focuses lift to its northeast which can hold off WAA some also and mix cold down.  It’s not a straight up front with a low way NW. but this setup still favors north of the urban areas. I’ve seen this setup work out NW of the cities before for a quick thump snow but I can’t really remember one that worked for 95. Well I can think of one, Feb 2015, but we had sub 0 temps 24 hours before that one so it’s not a great comp. 

[nj2va]

HH cocktail is a blackberry bourbon sage honey concoction.  Get in mah belly!

[Bob Chill]

15 minutes ago, EHoffman said:

Definitely not, every storm I secretly hope everyone else gets screwed so I can max out IMBY

Every single person here either secretly or openly thinks the same way. I'm honest about it. I've had irrational thoughts of hooking up a big trailer to my truck, driving psu's or wnwxluvr's, and stealing all the snow off their yards while they're sleeping. I realized it was a crazy thought just west of front royal on 66 and turned around.

My friends still living in CO text me pictures of deep powder days. That does get to me a little. Considered moving back at least a thousand times

[KAOS]

10 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

Does anybody really care about anyone's snow climo beyond their own yard? I sure don't. Never understood why people care when areas to our north or south get hit and we fail. It snows all over the globe 12 months a year non stop. Any place outside of my yard is all the same to me irt snow. Nonexistent. Areas of Japan get buried 5 stories deep. Places like that is where we should be envious. Certainly not Scranton. Lol

https://www.internations.org/go/moving-to-japan

[EHoffman]

7 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

Every single person here either secretly or openly thinks the same way. I'm honest about it. I've had irrational thoughts of hooking up a big trailer to my truck, driving psu's or wnwxluvr's, and stealing all the snow off their yards while they're sleeping. I realized it was a crazy thought just west of front royal on 66 and turned around.

My friends still living in CO text me pictures of deep powder days. That does get to me a little. Considered moving back at least a thousand times

Let me know if you ever pull the trigger, I'll come help you shovel.

[KAOS]

Clearly Japan is still secretly pissed off about hiroshima and consequently stealing our snow.

And of course the bullseye is DC.

[dailylurker]

1 hour ago, H2O said:

R&C. Dark rums are my jam lately

Not me.. I've been into the heavy indica lately. It makes these fails more magical. 

Not gonna lie. I do like my frozen slop pack. It's going to be a nice wintery weekend. 

[KAOS]

I made the mistake of going into the Mid-Atlantic Winter 2020-21 Snow Totals thread... Total buzzkill.

 

[Rvarookie]

22 minutes ago, dailylurker said:

Not me.. I've been into the heavy indica lately. It makes these fails more magical. 

Not gonna lie. I do like my frozen slop pack. It's going to be a nice wintery weekend. 

Any faves?

 

[Lucketts]

Drekker from Fargo, North Dakota.

[snowfan]

2 hours ago, Bob Chill said:

Does anybody really care about anyone's snow climo beyond their own yard? I sure don't. Never understood why people care when areas to our north or south get hit and we fail. It snows all over the globe 12 months a year non stop. Any place outside of my yard is all the same to me irt snow. Nonexistent. Areas of Japan get buried 5 stories deep. Places like that is where we should be envious. Certainly not Scranton. Lol

So very true. If i ever decide to move some place solely due to snow it’s either going to be a place where 100”+ seasons are a given or I have close proximity to mountains that get nuked every year. Who cares if someone gets 40” a year vs 20” closer to the city. Small potatoes stuff. 

[dailylurker]

1 hour ago, Rvarookie said:

Any faves?

 

Gotta get the Dosidos-22. It's the best in MD. Get your card if you already haven't and hit the dispensaries. MD is very liberal about it. Anyone can get a card.

[snowfan]

You smell it everywhere now. And, it seems fairly obvious that folks are smoking while driving or passengers are. I smell it all the time walking by cars or when cars drive by me while out walking.

[Rvarookie]

Just now, dailylurker said:

Gotta get the Dosidos-22. It's the best in MD. Get your card if you already haven't and hit the dispensaries. MD is very liberal about it. Anyone can get a card.

Oh yeh that’s a good one.

Grabbed card from VA, but no flower here yet. Likely make trip up to DC for my flower needs soon