February Banter 2021

[EHoffman]

20 minutes ago, Cobalt said:

 

This honestly might be the most impressive DC'ing I've ever seen. A stat which features the company of not only 2010, but also 2003 and 1899 in the department of accumulating snowfall events, in February no less! Without much context that looks incredibly encouraging, but obviously fails to meet that mark lol. How would we have reacted if before this winter we were told that DC would have tally more accumulating snow events in the month of February than 2010?? 

This is goddamn absurd.  This winter needs to end.

[stormtracker]

2 hours ago, diatae said:

We need to arrange a pan de bono and empanada exchange. Thanks.

Im in.   Absolute favorite

[psuhoffman]

29 minutes ago, RevWarReenactor said:

I could go on forever addressing this post and the other, but It would be banter. I don't get jealous of North NJ snowfall because I understand its a different climate up there,The area outlined should be a jealously zone because generally speaking they get the same amount give or take 5 inches. But lately, it is extremely lopsided, its like a different climate up there this year. This year the northeast end of that is at 40 inches, the southern end is at, a few?

Is it bad luck? Or is something happening down here?

 

 

 

But the perception inst really accurate.  Philly got 3.3" yesterday.  NW of downtown Philly got a LOT more...just like NW parts of our regions got a lot more.  I will say this...places a lot closer to Philly proper do a LOT better then the immediate suburbs here to.  Part of that is latitude advantage and part is geography.  Like I said once you get NW of the fall line it changes...but again places not far NW of Philly average a LOT more snow then DC or Balitmore so again those places are not a fair comp.  South Philly is...but they aren't doing as much better as people think.  They didn't even get that much in the HECS storm 3 weeks ago.  They got a couple inches more then Baltimore!  And there have been plenty of storms in the last 10 years where Baltimore or DC did better then Philly but we seem to forget those!  We don't "complain" when we win lol.  Downtown Philly and south Philly has not been doing that much better then Baltimore in general.  The northern and western burbs of philly have, but those places average a LOT more snow...the snow climo changes a lot more radically over a short distance in that area then our area so taking snow results from a NW burb of philly and comparing it to Baltimore is not a good comp.  

[H2O]

1 hour ago, stormtracker said:

Im in.   Absolute favorite

Is ketchup an acceptable condiment for those?

[MN Transplant]

Thought I was going to need to shovel the ice aside this afternoon.  Nope.  Sun season is here.

[ovechkin]

I think with this year the frustrating part here is that we have continually failed and the rest of the NE corridor has continually done great. Prior years had the say the Boxing Day fiasco but then one a few weeks later where we all scored. Same with 2015. I remember NJ and NYC getting clobbered in Jan 2015, but then we made up for it with an awesome Feb/March. This year for the immediate metro it’s been fail after fail. It happens. But then again we had 2018-2019 which us immediate metro folks had a decent season- 1.5 inches downtown in NOVEMBER, a 10 inch two part storm in January, and a nice daytime late February solid advisory level storm. PHL did not do well that year. Like DC sports we tend to perseverate on the failures. 

[psuhoffman]

@RevWarReenactor  I drew the approximate location of the 20", 25", and 30" snowfall averages on your map to show where the real snow climo zones are. 

[Rhino16]

Ice chunks keeps falling onto the roof and scaring me... 

[AU74]

https://twitter.com/SLady1961/status/1362806309310070784?s=20

[H2O]

All I know is that map has me pretty close to where the taint is located. Map is accurate. 

[blizzardmeiser]

24 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

@RevWarReenactor  I drew the approximate location of the 20", 25", and 30" snowfall averages on your map to show where the real snow climo zones are. 

Great map! I’m in Newark and have had 16.5 so far. Just to the south of me (Middletown etc) has had much less. Some of that is typical but much more pronounced this year.  Similar to DC, certain areas have gotten screwed. I know you are pointing to other factors that could be driving it- and I don’t disagree- but some of it has been sheer bad luck on where the bands have set up. Too early to know if it’s a trend or just an aberration. 

 

 

[psuhoffman]

13 minutes ago, blizzardmeiser said:

Great map! I’m in Newark and have had 16.5 so far. Just to the south of me (Middletown etc) has had much less. Some of that is typical but much more pronounced this year.  Similar to DC, certain areas have gotten screwed. I know you are pointing to other factors that could be driving it- and I don’t disagree- but some of it has been sheer bad luck on where the bands have set up. Too early to know if it’s a trend or just an aberration. 

 

 

It's a little of both...as one of my favorite soccer podcasters used to say...two things can be true.  

[diatae]

1 hour ago, H2O said:

Is ketchup an acceptable condiment for those?

My MIL would fight you in the street.

[RevWarReenactor]

1 hour ago, psuhoffman said:

@RevWarReenactor  I drew the approximate location of the 20", 25", and 30" snowfall averages on your map to show where the real snow climo zones are. 

Okay, fair enough. I can't argue too much with this map. But there are some errors on it that help your case and hinder mine. Its just the little details.

I don't believe you can hit Philly and travel essentially due east all the way to the ocean and maintain the same averages. Same goes for Wilmington and going due east to the Ocean. You are downplaying the effect the ocean has on totals in those areas. Granted, once 15-20 miles inland, it becomes less of an issue. But believe me, I lived in Monmouth County for 30+ years, and that Ocean was a killer compared to just another 10-20 miles inland. But when you go in 20 miles, thats half of the county.

So I'd take that 20 inch line, and 25 inch line and eek them up the coast a bit. Which, hate to say it, is more in line with my thinking.

There is simply no way Pt Pleasant NJ, does as well as SE PA and way western hilly burbs of DC.

 

So its kind of slipping hairs. Certainly I-95 south of the DMB has had terrible luck this year.

[RevWarReenactor]

 

6 minutes ago, CAPE said:

Take your 'confusion' of basic MA snow climo to banter, along with anyone who wants to bash their head against a wall in a futile attempt to help you figure it out. Spare the rest of us. This shit got old like 3 winters ago. 

Don't talk to me like that.

[CAPE]

Just now, RevWarReenactor said:

 

Don't talk to me like that.

Don't shit up the discussion threads. Thanks.

 

[RevWarReenactor]

Just now, CAPE said:

Don't shit up the discussion threads. Thanks.

 

Um, if I recall, PSU wanted to have the debate too. But you think you can bully me?

[RevWarReenactor]

Just now, wxtrix said:

treat yourself kindly and just sign off. none of this matters. don't give up progress over this.  take care of yourself.

You're right.

Thank you.

[CAPE]

Just now, RevWarReenactor said:

Um, if I recall, PSU wanted to have the debate too. But you think you can bully me?

There is no "debate". I wish he could resist. You would think he would know by now what a complete waste of time it is to engage you. There must be a hundred posts of him trying to explain to you that snow climo on the MA coastal plain sucks. It isn't rocket science. Find something more interesting to obsess over?

[psuhoffman]

24 minutes ago, CAPE said:

Take your 'confusion' of basic MA snow climo to banter, along with anyone who wants to bash their head against a wall in a futile attempt to help you figure it out. Spare the rest of us. This shit got old like 3 winters ago. 

My fault. I thought we were in banter because I replied last time here. Didn’t realize I was responding to another reply in the main thread. @RevWarReenactor just respond in here if you want to discuss climo stuff. 

[CAPE]

10 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

My fault. I thought we were in banter because I replied last time here. Didn’t realize I was responding to another reply in the main thread. @RevWarReenactor just respond in here if you want to discuss climo stuff. 

I admire your persistence. He hasn't posted here for ages, and when he comes back, its the same exact shit as before he left- despite you having already explained it in every way conceivable (and it isn't complicated) Good luck!

[Bob Chill]

So I finally button up an intense week and did a quick scan of the board. Here's what I found

1) even though the horse has literally been beaten dead, resurrected, and beaten dead again, the same ridiculous and excessively stupid debate about MD/DE/NJ/PA snow climo finds its way back. Again. And it still makes my eyes bleed and makes we want to threaten innocent yard rodents' lives with my foot

2) Nothern stream lows that track north of us with avg at best temps have never once been a good snow setup here but somehow monday is different

3) The digital storm next friday is so locked and loaded that it's already time to parse details of every op run from over a week out. Which makes sense considering how amazingly predictable long and mid range has been this year. Short range has been an epic disaster though so nothing to worry about until the night before the storm. I'm in

[CAPE]

1 minute ago, Bob Chill said:

So I finally button up an intense week and did a quick scan of the board. Here's what I found

1) even though the horse has literally been beaten dead, resurrected, and beaten dead again, the same ridiculous and excessively stupid debate about MD/DE/NJ/PA snow climo finds its way back. Again. And it still makes my eyes bleed and make we want to threaten innocent yard rodents

2) Nothern stream lows that track north of us with avg at best temps have never once been a good snow setup here but somehow monday is different

3) The digital storm next friday is so locked and loaded that it's already time to parse details of every op run from over a week out. Which makes sense considering how amazingly predictable long and mid range has been this year. Short range has been an epic disaster though so nothing to worry about until the night before the storm. I'm in

You have nailed it my friend, in the correct order (most to least annoying), and the magnitude is nonlinear.

[CAPE]

Who is drinking what?

This is banter and it is Friday and it is HH.

I am having a latte.

[H2O]

1 hour ago, diatae said:

My MIL would fight you in the street.

She would probably win

[H2O]

Just now, CAPE said:

Who is drinking what?

This is banter and it is Friday and it is HH.

I am having a latte.

R&C. Dark rums are my jam lately

[Bob Chill]

Just now, losetoa6 said:

I remember 1 ns low that was basically a reinforcing cold front that dropped cold powder of 6-10" in about 8 hours . It was odd and haven't seen anything like it since . Can't recall year but it was a long time ago.  90s sometime 

It can happen but we really need a heck of an antecedent airmass (and deep to our sw) and a fast moving storm. The leaf of precip on the south side is just a warm front. I'm not writing it off and it's def discussionable (new word!). 

[KAOS]

Just now, CAPE said:

Who is drinking what?

This is banter and it is Friday and it is HH.

I am having a latte.

Sierra Nevada Torpedo

[CAPE]

Just now, H2O said:

R&C. Dark rums are my jam lately

Nice.

I am actually not drinking a latte. I am sure you knew that.

[BucksCO_PA]

2 hours ago, psuhoffman said:

But the perception inst really accurate.  Philly got 3.3" yesterday.  NW of downtown Philly got a LOT more...just like NW parts of our regions got a lot more.  I will say this...places a lot closer to Philly proper do a LOT better then the immediate suburbs here to.  Part of that is latitude advantage and part is geography.  Like I said once you get NW of the fall line it changes...but again places not far NW of Philly average a LOT more snow then DC or Balitmore so again those places are not a fair comp.  South Philly is...but they aren't doing as much better as people think.  They didn't even get that much in the HECS storm 3 weeks ago.  They got a couple inches more then Baltimore!  And there have been plenty of storms in the last 10 years where Baltimore or DC did better then Philly but we seem to forget those!  We don't "complain" when we win lol.  Downtown Philly and south Philly has not been doing that much better then Baltimore in general.  The northern and western burbs of philly have, but those places average a LOT more snow...the snow climo changes a lot more radically over a short distance in that area then our area so taking snow results from a NW burb of philly and comparing it to Baltimore is not a good comp.  

PHL finished with 8.3" during the HECS & BWI had 4.0", so an 8.3" event is not that much LOL

plenty of storms the last 10yrs that BWI or DC did better than PHL??? there's only 3 of any real significance MAR 2014, JAN 2016 & JAN 2019

PHL has not been doing that much better than Baltimore in general, OK if in general means the prior 2 seasons, otherwise the average over the past 10 seasons is not even close:

PHL - 24.1" / BWI - 16.6" / DCA - 11.6"

I didn't include this season since it's still open however at this point the disparity will only increase unless some big changes:

PHL - 23.0" / BWI - 10.0" / DCA - 5.4