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Jan 31st - 33rd Storm Obs and Disco like it's 1979


Bob Chill
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Maybe it's the artificial optimist in me, but I think over the next several hours we're going to begin to see the low redeveloping off the coast and backfilling across the DC area. You can see the nascence of it on radar, just at the end of its loops. It's going to tease you for a couple hours so be prepared for that, but give it enough time and it will fill. The question is whether it fills too far E/NE, but that's another battle for another time. 

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19 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said:


I grew up in Baltimore and live in Midland, TX now. I lived in Baltimore/MoCo area for basically 28 years, so I know how Miller B’s work in climo. The models were not showing an improbable western motion considering the UL evolution of the 5H and 7H levels as both were displaying a more southern transition latitude which would invoke a capture of the low level circulation and force it back westward between Norfolk and OCMD. It’s happened plenty of other times. The storm is still going to stall, just at a further north latitude due to a late capture as the 5H low and 7H inflection over the OH Valley went further north than most global guidance was indicating. However, the ensemble guidance did keep that within the envelope of reason, so there was concern for a northern trend always on the table based on both climo and NWP signals.

I never poopoo observational analysis since it is very important with regards to trends, but you can’t base it during long range forecasting with time frames of significance to EM’s and DOT workers for prep times and decision making. That’s where NWP comes in and inside 72 hrs is when you utilize Observational trends and NWP to your advantage. I’ve seen your take on modern NWP, and as someone who analyzes the statistical variance and overall scoring after UA and surface reanalysis, you don’t give NWP nearly enough credit for what it produces. Analogs are why Midland nailed the end of 2020 historic snowstorm
out here and we blew away our neighboring offices. I’m a huge fan of CIPS and it’s database. Your expertise in regional climo and historical data keeping will absolutely help you in varying setups and it is appreciated during short term trends, but it will absolutely not work with decision making at a local and state level where 72-96 hrs is necessary for planning and staging. Being overly prepared is better than the alternative, despite the respite it might incur from up top in government settings.

I would never mute you for any reason unless you actually disrespected me on a personal level or are attacking me, so you’ll never get the mute. Hopefully you can cash this afternoon on more snow as I bathe under sun and the typical cirrus. I hope to get back East and extend my career while improving my forecasting abilities and helping the general public. I also want to get back to the area I grew up in, or at least within the Northeast US vicinity.

Enjoy the snow


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Midland is where baby Jessica went down the well. I dont know how big Midland Is but I disagree with the need for 3-4 day lead  time for preparation. That’s just poor organization . It’s winter, always be at the ready, . We contract for forecasting  to several management companies for snow removal in commercial and residential lots. 48 hours in is what we provide . We started updating them Friday 7am. Trying to get them on alert days before that is unproductive. I well may not be able to tell you 5 days in advance  what that low  in Colorado is going to do to DC but the models  cant either other than to show myriads of examples. There is also the “need to know” aspect that far in advance.  

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Plow came through and put down a hefty layer of salt as well. Bye bye road accumulation. Shoveled walkway and driveway aren't really accumulating at this point. Snow is too light for right now. 

Some more enhancement showing on radar in splotches near Culpeper. 

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Not doing a proper snow board, but there's a solid 2" on smooth surfaces right now (a bit north of DTSS). It's enough for the kids to throw snowballs and sled, not enough to really go nuts or bother shoveling yet. 

Essentially nothing but snow dust right now. Its not accumulating. (eta at 2:33pm it's legitimately snowing again) 

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30 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Wha? I just wanna know what to expect/not expect, that's all...not sure why you're condescending. Now, what I didn't know was what you said about the proximity--50-70 miles of here...so it can go anywhere in that zone? I gotcha...so that's the possibility. See I wasn't sure how far or how close ya had to be to it (because I'm still learning)

I had assumed since the NAM was showing what it did, that getting more than an inch or two from the coastal was kinda off the table, so what the globals showed was a tad surprising. But if the possibility is still there, great. All the more reason 6-10" was a good call, lol

 

I'm not trying to be condescending. I'm speaking for the group. I'm not jumping all over a single post. I'm trying to slow down a repetitive pattern that literally over 1k people read daily during events.

I've only been legit active again here since Friday night and since then, you constantly ask for specifics and back yard comfirmation (directly and indirectly) for a good outcome. The uncertainty of it combined with hardwired deep rooted need for snow (we're all the same) is getting to you and it's obvious. Yes, it's frustrating. I have over 15 straight years on this board feeling that same exact frustration. Thing is, nobody here can accurately give you the confirmation you're looking for and neither can a weather model. You dont seem at ease with any answers given so you keep asking. 

 Go back and read all your question posts after each model suite since Friday night and then consider my original post again. I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm trying to help you become a better and more enjoyable poster here. Back in 2006 I got my chops busted HARD on EasternWx from long timers for a lot of similar reasons. I didnt get mad or offended at all. Quite the opposite actually. I took the advice to heart and improved ever since. That's what this is about. Not me being a jerk trying to piss you off for sadistic pleasure. 

Your yard has a much better chance at good snow after today than mine and imo your yard doesnt have good odds either. But that doeant mean you 100% for sure wont get hit flush with pt 2. It's down to pulling off a smallish miracle (imo only). 

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10 minutes ago, dukeblue219 said:

OK who went for a walk with mPING? 

Thanks for the indirect reminder to reinstall mPING app, which I forgot to do a month or so ago for the winter season.
BTW, 34.3 with a fine, though steady pixie dust snow falling here for the past 3-4 hours. Haven't been out, so NO idea how much measurable snow has fallen, though eyeballing it, I'm guessing between 2"-3" with some compaction.

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