PhineasC Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Looking better and better up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Cold Miser said: Didn't that mid December storm show dryslots pretty far in advance of the storm that came to fruition? Yeah, but they bounced around on modeling. I agree with Ray that you can have an idea of the evolution of the system. If it's a redeveloper you usually get that lower QPF zone between the dying primary and the maturing secondary. But a lot of things can happen between d5 to d0 to shift that around...that's all. I know I'm stating the obvious, but we tend to get fixated on what models are specifically showing at this lead time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, dendrite said: Yeah, but they bounced around on modeling. I agree with Ray that you can have an idea of the evolution of the system. If it's a redeveloper you usually get that lower QPF zone between the dying primary and the maturing secondary. But a lot of things can happen between d5 to d0 to shift that around...that's all. I know I'm stating the obvious, but we tend to get fixated on what models are specifically showing at this lead time. Yes. More often than not...that Dec 17 case was in the minority, but I think this one maybe, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewbeer Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: Lake Hitchcock. Greenfield/Deerfield was thought to be the northern edge of the prehistoric lake. driving up I-91 there is that rest stop/scenic overlook in Holyoke and you can see how massive that part of the valley is. Westover AB was built on a massive sand and gravel delta that was formed by the Chicopee River carrying glacial sediments into glacial Lake Hitchcock, the view at the i-91 rest stop really shows this well. The surface of the airfield is same elevation as the lake was when it was formed. There are delta deposits of sand and gravel all up and down the valley at the same elevation as the historic glacial lake. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Let me know the next big storm where a sucker hole wasn't showing up here. We sucker hole our way to mid 50s annually though. Just have to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I don't know if this has true block buster possibilities. Maybe in a narrow band perhaps as the deformation rots, but this is just a broad trough with surface lows jumping all over as a front end band moves in and then light rates after it leaves. I'd like to see H5 go under and tighten up in order for my mind to change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, CoastalWx said: I don't know if this has true block buster possibilities. Maybe in a narrow band perhaps as the deformation rots, but this is just a broad trough with surface lows jumping all over as a front end band moves in and then light rates after it leaves. I'd like to see H5 go under and tighten up in order for my mind to change. Yea, out in PA and NYS, but without any arctic air, I doubt its 40" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Agree. This isn’t top echelon regarding amounts but duration and wintry vibe will be enough to make it special. 10-20” throughout the region is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Agree. This isn’t top echelon regarding amounts but duration and wintry vibe will be enough to make it special. 10-20” throughout the region is solid. That's optimistic. Maybe narrow area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I think we are stuck with the bloated H5, at this point....I don't see that tightening up and going under SNE. The monster band will come through, drop a foot, then another day of nuisance. The initial band will be weakening as it passes through, and the secondary will begin to compensate back east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Seems like the whiff scenario for NE is falling off the table right now, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: That's optimistic. Maybe narrow area. Yea, I am thinking more like widespread 8-14". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I never like seeing epic totals in the mid atl....90% of the time when that is the case, you can immediately eliminate upper tier SNE snowfall and be right. LBSW has been the theme, and continues to be, this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10-14 seems like a good call.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, dendrite said: Yeah, but they bounced around on modeling. I agree with Ray that you can have an idea of the evolution of the system. If it's a redeveloper you usually get that lower QPF zone between the dying primary and the maturing secondary. But a lot of things can happen between d5 to d0 to shift that around...that's all. I know I'm stating the obvious, but we tend to get fixated on what models are specifically showing at this lead time. In the end, Some may probably end up with asphyxiation from ones lips around an exhaust pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bostonseminole said: 10-14 seems like a good call.. Yea, 8-10" in the CTRV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Reminds me of 12/26/10 a bit at 500. Lobe going north and trough sort of elongated a bit initially near East Coast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Reminds me of 12/26/10 a bit at 500. Lobe going north and trough sort of elongated a bit initially near East Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, CoastalWx said: Reminds me of 12/26/10 a bit at 500. Lobe going north and trough sort of elongated a bit initially near East Coast. Don't remember that one...probably not a great sign lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Mm... I remember very specifically adsressing the depictions of QPF 'shadowing' that were persistently on the guidance leading that event, Dec 17, across the pantheon of leading tech frankly. Not that anyone refutes - just sayn'. There was zero ambiguity... It was absolutely clear that for a few of us, we were taking it seriously and were leery of that feature and design in those QPF spreads, based upon experience, and we even discussed, profoundly, plausible causalities for that phenomenon in other systems in history. Ideas such secondary ingesting very dry 'tuck' jet air hygroscopically eating at the fall column, to UVM repositioning mechanics ( Brian's assertion above ..) ...were all viable culprit candidates... all of which are valid reasons for why the models do sometimes paint those systems wth "V" notching QPF 'predesignated' sore-butt zones. Ha As it were, .. yup - don't argue with the notch! It verified. We here, in that area, verified the doubts to 11.5" totals. I just don't bitch and complain about totals nearing a foot -heh. 15+ was more common surrounding N. Worc/ N. Mid and adjacent S-SE NH... While at it ... I studied that event as it was unfolding... the reason for the notch that time, from what I surmised, was a split in the tropospheric vertical column of the storm. The mid and U/A, post split, drifted through central NE partying on in those shenanigans. Whilst the 700 mb drifted along LI, festering a bit of secondary that enhanced snow S of here ..but not nearly as prolific as the mid level magic going on N. May also have been some llv CF helping down there, too. This all in totality "spared" a band from N of Springfield ( or so ) Ma Nashua NH from the same output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, 40/70 Benchmark said: Don't remember that one...probably not a great sign lol Boxing day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, 40/70 Benchmark said: Don't remember that one...probably not a great sign lol Boxing day Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahk_webstah Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Don't remember that one...probably not a great sign lol LOL Boxing Day Bee-atch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: That's optimistic. Maybe narrow area. Not widespread 20” but covering a large area of low double digits with spotty areas hitting 18-20”. You could draw a map right now with just one color of 10-20” from SWCT to SE ME and feel ok about it as a first guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Don't remember that one...probably not a great sign lol That’s Boxing Day lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, mahk_webstah said: LOL Boxing Day Bee-atch! 1' here on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Yeah, I'm not trying to cause eye rolls...lol. Actually popped in my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Graupler Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Boxing day 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCWarrior Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I'll take whatever we get. We have had several nice surprises this year out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, ORH_wxman said: Boxing day? Brain cramp...I was thinking that was 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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