CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, NorEastermass128 said: Not sure if this is me getting screwed or if this is how Rockport scores in a decent winter. Locals are mixed. What we lack in snow, views like this on a morning run make up for it. Sticking out there in the water will hurt, but I’m sure the way cashed in recent years too. I love to at town. You’ll enjoy the benefit in the summer while Phin is sweating his ass of in nrn NH again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 hours ago, MJO812 said: Agree Deep cold and snow is done until next winter. Sad to see winter go. I'm not sad.....season featured a couple of nice events within an overall sea of disappointment, yet again. Seasonal call was pretty accurate, February temps not withstanding. Ready for change and reshuffle the deck next year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said: Torch! Why don't you see if you can win your money back on your no more snow call from last year? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Maybe Will knows, but I feel like this winter was similar to 87-88 in terms of being a bit more of a disparity between coast and being just inland. At least through now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I'm not sad.....season featured a couple of nice events in an overall sea of disappointment yet again. Ready for change and reshuffle the deck next year. Blocking really helped us down here. I'm 10 inches above my average to date. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, CoastalWx said: Maybe Will knows, but I feel like this winter was similar to 87-88 in terms of being a bit more of a disparity between coast and being just inland. At least through now. My area did a hair better that year with like 60", but close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, 40/70 Benchmark said: My area did a hair better that year with like 60", but close. My Dad worked at the old Marshall’s headquarters there in Woburn. I remember him telling me about much more snow there vs Brockton. Pretty sure it was that winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Blocking really helped us down here. I'm 10 inches above my average to date. Frustrating few years here....porked the last two years in el nino seasons that acted more like la nina in the absence of blocking. Nice snow was NW. Now this year, screwed in a la nina acting more like an el nino WITH blocking. ...nice snow was SW. Bad streak in this area, with some snake bitten luck being bent over on every direction by each ENSO state. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 The other winter where there was briefly a massive disparity was in January 2003. We went out one night to Somerville and then in Woburn right off 93 on the Montvale Ave exit. That has to be like 6 miles as the crow flies? I swear there was a 12” difference in snowpack. I was astonished. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: The other winter where there was briefly a massive disparity was in January 2003. We went out one night to Somerville and then in Woburn right off 93 on the Montvale Ave exit. That has to be like 6 miles as the crow flies? I swear there was a 12” difference in snowpack. I was astonished. That was really only Feb 1 this year...difference is N Mass wasn't screwed that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: That was really only Feb 1 this year...difference is N Mass wasn't screwed that season. Yeah, was just thinking of personal experiences with that. But man I was like holy shit when I saw that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George001 Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, weathafella said: If we get a record strong nina next year after this years robust nina it typically means major major dead ratter next winter. I disagree, the dead ratter Enso state in New England is a strong El Niño, that’s the enso state we avg the least amount of snow in. I’ll take a record strong Nina over a record strong El Niño any day. In fact the strongest La Niña on record, 2010-2011, was an epic winter NYC north. This winter ended up as an avg-above avg winter here, but was very close to being more. From what I read over at the pattern drivers thread the nina pattern didn’t really take over until Feb, which is when we got our snowiest month. I don’t really understand the anti Nina sentiment here, our area does fairly well in ninas, it’s the mid Atlantic that gets screwed by them. Ninos tend to screw us and be congrats DC when moderate or strong (we can do well in weak ninos though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimetree Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Probably third year in a row below normal snow unless March has some surprises. I think we'll at least do better than the last two seasons but maybe not by much. Sitting at 43" now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Blocking really helped us down here. I'm 10 inches above my average to date. It was more than blocking. It was the overall placement and orientation of the long wave trough this year. Believe it or not, I think the -PNA actually benefitted your area, too bc it kept shredding systems that otherwise would have nailed NE. The blocking did this more earlier in the season when there was a +PNA, but then later in the season when it kept happening event when the NAO neutralized some be because the RNA developed and kept a compressed flow in place. The energy would dump west, and begin to attenuate on approach to the east coast. This is also why everything was LBSW in that it would nail NYC/NJ longitude, and peter out some over here.That is something unique to this season bc regardless of blocking and how the Pac look, latitude is usually beneficial in la nina...look at 2010-2011. NYC did well, but NE better. Not this year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Blocking hurts us generally. It helps NYC south immensely. All it does for us is help force stuff south of us and prevents huge torches 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, Damage In Tolland said: Blocking hurts us generally. It helps NYC south immensely. All it does for us is help force stuff south of us and prevents huge torches Lmao. Not true at all. You probably would not have the snow you already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Damage In Tolland said: Blocking hurts us generally. It helps NYC south immensely. All it does for us is help force stuff south of us and prevents huge torches I disagree....just a unique evolution this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Three consecutive below avg snowfall seasons IMBY...most in recorded history and first time in 21 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I think blocking hurts me up here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said: Tip may get his furnace Morch this year . I wouldn’t hate it I get the hyperbole ..it's all good. But, my thing is about the spring season as a whole, as not being like the last several - that's really it in a nut shell. I never actually put a price tag on March, per se.. although, I think that's the flip month. Yeah, I've had to use some demonstrative rhetoric, but .. when one is going against the tide, they have to employ more momentum to get a current of different point of view across ...you know what I mean. I'm not saying March will roast - Lol... though, like you - I wouldn't hate it. Admittedly... I think the EPS "coming around" - to early to tell, and the GEFs over night as also getting even more indicative of a complete and utter hemispheric pattern change... when then adding these to the climate modes of La Nina and HC expansion stuff... The three of those do not really connote -NAO and 2018 walking through the door. Nor do they connote packing pellet CAA days into May, either. Whether that torches March or April or May remains to be seen. It's like what Scott was joking about earlier ...how you just sort of prime your canvas with 'AN' and go from there? Well, we are add emphasis to the positive direction... So it's actually four layers to the warm spring idea: present telecon spread + La Nina climo + HC expansion + CC... Probably in that order, too. It should be pointed out that in terms of order of magnitude, the telecon spread comes first...etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, PhineasC said: I think blocking hurts me up here. The Northern crew has long hated blocking... but then Will usually chimes in with a never ending list of big snowstorms during blocking or -NAO winters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: The Northern crew has long hated blocking... but then Will usually chimes in with a never ending list of big snowstorms during blocking or -NAO winters. He has a very bad habit of interrupting our ignorant weenie rants, that’s for sure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, powderfreak said: The Northern crew has long hated blocking... but then Will usually chimes in with a never ending list of big snowstorms during blocking or -NAO winters. It’s also placement and magnitude too. But if you look at general NAO states, the big boys have had a -NAO. It is true though that overall the correlation weakens in NNE in terms of what base state of the NAO matters for seasonal snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Kart Mozart Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: Both sides now, as Judy Collins once said. Written by Joni Mitchell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: It’s also placement and magnitude too. But if you look at general NAO states, the big boys have had a -NAO. It is true though that overall the correlation weakens in NNE in terms of what base state of the NAO matters for seasonal snowfall. What bullshit did we have this winter where there was a blocking shredder running 24/7 up here but it wasn’t even cold? Basically all the bad aspects and none of the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Three consecutive below avg snowfall seasons IMBY...most in recorded history and first time in 21 years. How many inches shy of average are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, PhineasC said: What bullshit did we have this winter where there was a blocking shredder running 24/7 up here but it wasn’t even cold? Basically all the bad aspects and none of the good. 09-10 we had a lot of stale cold airmasses up here from the blocking. It’s consistently cold, but the arctic shots are more of a maritime arctic than a continental arctic. I think that was part of our problem this year. Then when we did have vodka cold drop out of Canada it dropped its load well to the west. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, George001 said: I disagree, the dead ratter Enso state in New England is a strong El Niño, that’s the enso state we avg the least amount of snow in. I’ll take a record strong Nina over a record strong El Niño any day. In fact the strongest La Niña on record, 2010-2011, was an epic winter NYC north. This winter ended up as an avg-above avg winter here, but was very close to being more. From what I read over at the pattern drivers thread the nina pattern didn’t really take over until Feb, which is when we got our snowiest month. I don’t really understand the anti Nina sentiment here, our area does fairly well in ninas, it’s the mid Atlantic that gets screwed by them. Ninos tend to screw us and be congrats DC when moderate or strong (we can do well in weak ninos though). No George you miss my point. 2nd year big ninas are most often terrible winters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Three consecutive below avg snowfall seasons IMBY...most in recorded history and first time in 21 years. To be fair, recorded history for yby is really paltry isn’t it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, Go Kart Mozart said: Written by Joni Mitchell. And sung by her as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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