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Feb Long Range Discussion (Day 3 and beyond) - MERGED


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2 minutes ago, stormtracker said:

lol, GFS is now ALL RAIN for Tuesday.

With everything that's shifted around on guidance the last few days, these solutions are the only ones that surprise me honestly. Mixy messy was totally where my head was at. Straight rain? Didnt really see that coming

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1 hour ago, psuhoffman said:

Tuesday I loved until suddenly the TPV decided to stall and elongate NE so it comes through behind the waves instead of in front.

So that TPV landing in a bad spot...that was just a bad dice roll, was it not? Smh I guess that was a random misfortune not necessarily related to anything else? Perhpas it was just not meant to be...smh

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All I know is that we’ve been in dead patterns only to see dumb luck, as PSU put it, prevail. In fact dumb luck probably accounts for more storms than we allow for in our disco. Why? Because getting the right macro pattern, teleconnections, setups, and track all at once basically never happens, and even getting two of those is quite difficult. So as far as I’m concerned, if we’re still within the first three months of the year, might as well cross our fingers and hope for the best. 

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2 minutes ago, Bob Chill said:

With everything that's shifted around on guidance the last few days, these solutions are the only ones that surprise me honestly. Mixy messy was totally where my head was at. Straight rain? Didnt really see that coming

Yeah that was a pretty quick turnaround.  I wasn't expecting really any snow this upcoming week, but was sort of counting on what you say...a mix/icy mess for a couple of events with low-level cold air pretty well entrenched.

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1 minute ago, Always in Zugzwang said:

Yeah that was a pretty quick turnaround.  I wasn't expecting really any snow this upcoming week, but was sort of counting on what you say...a mix/icy mess for a couple of events with low-level cold air pretty well entrenched.

When this winter was approaching I literally had zero interest. Ninas dont work well. Its how it is and its fine. Then blocking got going and wouldnt let go so I got sucked in. Which is fine as there is some good history with blocked ninas. Seems to be doing what ninas do best... find ways to nutpunch our area. A fine job I may add. I'm much less interested in wx now so time to crack jokes or go silent. One or the other

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Might be about that panic room time lol. We had periods that were called the best since the blizzard of 1996 and another two periods that were the brother of snowmaggedon, plus an upcoming period that was supposed to feature 30+ inches of snow and be cold and snowy. Instead, we've gotten several slop storms to total anywhere from 10-15 inches. What a winter.

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18 minutes ago, stormtracker said:

We were sold a bill of goods by the models.   Remember the single digit lows and 0 N and W?   If we go through next week without producing, what's left?

Lets hope they are equally wrong about where the pattern heads by the end of the month. If that's the way its going, we may have a chance or 2 as the longwave pattern progresses east beginning late next week and before it transitions to full on Nina Pac dumpster fire.

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1 hour ago, CAPE said:

I agree that effed things up, but that ship has sailed. The wave train in the Pac is such that the mean ridge is too far west. Idk, the tendency for a big ridge in that location looks Nina-ish to me, but whatever the causes, without the blocking and the trough/cold dumping out west, there isn't going to be much to inhibit the SER until there is a progression in the longwave pattern- we at least need the western ridge axis near the west coast.

I think we’re splitting hairs. There are some Nina characteristics but also some not. The pac currently is a mix match or some good and some bad features. Like we’ve pointed out in about 10 days it looks like a totally canonical Nina. But it’s been a Nina all winter so....  Also I don’t think we can attribute the pac ridge to Nina when it’s been there for years including 2 ninos!  I think that’s a permanent pac base state due to warmer SSTs now. I think that’s going to be there to some degree ALL THE TIME regardless of enso until the whole pac and IO SST non tropical base state changes.  The last 4 enso events didn’t produce a typical response. I don’t think enso is driving the bus. 

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3 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Heck maybe it's the number this year...Looking back, winters ending in "1" didn't turn out very well. I mean our Top 20 snowstorms: not one of them happened in a year ending in 1! It was 3, 6, 7, 8, and 9, And the solar minimums...they didn't end in 1 either...I don't believe in numerology, but...I do believe in historical trends, even if they make no scientific sense, lol

For you sanity’s sake I really hope this was a joke post 

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3 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

@Maestrobjwa correlation and causality are not the same. Correlations can be due to random chaos and when there is no logical possible link to causality that is usually the best explanation. 

After way too many years playing this game, one thing I've learned to do is not ask why it went wrong. The possibilities are endless and it doesnt change my muddy wet yard from being muddy and wet. My post mortem usually goes like this "well, that sure sucked a steaming pile of hippo diarrhea. Maybe next time it will be a pretty white fozen pile of hippo diarrhea". And then I crack jokes and do drugs until the next chance. Much more fun that way

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