HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: It’s very important to stomp out the anti vaxxer misinformation very quickly when it pops up. As you know, stupidity can spread like wildfire. It's ok to be concerned about a new vaccine but vaccines have a pretty good track record of effectiveness. I don't get the flu shot yearly but I am up to date with everything else, as is my family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, PhineasC said: It is already bad. Many businesses (mine included) are facing legal threats from both sides of the debate. Some say we go too far trying to protect everyone, others say we don't go far enough. Both sides have arguments they can make related to personal freedom of choice and safety. It's a total mess. There is no way I would throw gasoline on that fire by even having an official opinion on the vaccine, much less mandating it... This will go Supreme Court if it becomes a big enough liability for businesses. It may anyway based on observed resistance. Just wait until the idea of "vaccine passports" gets introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, HIPPYVALLEY said: This will go Supreme Court if it becomes a big enough liability for businesses. It may anyway based on observed resistance. Just wait until the idea of "vaccine passports" gets introduced. I have employees who would say vaccine passports are one of the most insidious violations of their personal freedoms imaginable, akin to stealing people's babies at night and taking them away in vans. I have others who would say, unless I force each employee to show their vaccine passport every morning via a company-wide Zoom call, I am literally killing people. It is starting to really worry me how entrenched everyone is becoming on every single issue... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, PhineasC said: I have employees who would say vaccine passports are one of the most insidious violations of their personal freedoms imaginable, akin to stealing people's babies at night and taking them away in vans. I have others who would say, unless I force each employee to show their vaccine passport every morning via a company-wide Zoom call, I am literally killing people. It is starting to really worry me how entrenched everyone is becoming on every single issue... Yeah, we can save that discussion over a bottle of bourbon up at your place. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, DotRat_Wx said: Lol, idiots. If they refuse, they get what they deserve Yeah, it just really sucks for all the people who can't get the vaccine due to allergies etc and the ~10% who won't develop immunity from the vaccine. That's why we need high resistance and low case loads in the community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: I have friends who are high up in public health positions in NH and MA. The internal surveys, inquiring about personal vaccine compliance, among both "state and town employees", is discouraging. That's all I can really say about that here but there are a lot of people who are not on board. I ask people all the time if they would get the vaccine, the majority say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, DavisStraight said: I ask people all the time if they would get the vaccine, the majority say no. Yeah, me too. The results are 50/50 or less for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, eduggs said: Yeah, it just really sucks for all the people who can't get the vaccine due to allergies etc and the ~10% who won't develop immunity from the vaccine. That's why we need high resistance and low case loads in the community. I think hard about it since I have anaphylactic reactions to wasp stings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, DavisStraight said: I ask people all the time if they would get the vaccine, the majority say no. The survival rate is north of 99.7% You possibly can still spread COVID after getting the vaccine. You still need to wear a mask and distance indefinitely after getting the vaccine. All of the above leads to a rather weak value proposition for many people. That’s even before you add in the conspiracy stuff and the fact it’s still emergency use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: I think hard about it since I have anaphylactic reactions to wasp stings. Maybe consider getting your vaccine at or very close to a hospital just in case. And obviously have the EpiPen ready. Fortunately severe anaphylactic reactions have been rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, PhineasC said: The survival rate is north of 99.7% You possibly can still spread COVID after getting the vaccine. You still need to wear a mask and distance indefinitely after getting the vaccine. All of the above leads to a rather weak value proposition for many people. That’s even before you add in the conspiracy stuff and the fact it’s still emergency use. That could be a high estimate for survival. Getting an accurate estimate would depend on how causes of death are attributed and how many people have been infected. Without accurate and widespread serological testing for COVID antibodies, we won't really have a good estimate. Regardless, it is significantly deadlier than the flu and deadly enough to cause a little anxiety if you are infected. Getting vaccinated is not just important for personal health. It's critical that we get case numbers much much lower. Obviously a high vaccination to infection ratio protects the heard. But it also significantly reduces the number of mutations that occur. Right now, with millions of cases worldwide, there is an increased chance of a mutation creating a "new strain" that is partially resistant to the current generation of vaccines. That would be devastating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Employers can lay down the law. Not where I work. We can't even enforce masks. CEO lacks the gonads to do soSent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UnitedWx Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 hours ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: That’s my fear.... common sense would tell you, if everyone has had equal access to a vaccine, and you chose not to get it, we’re moving on without you. I’m not going to continue to live in a dystopian society because joe and Jane blow don’t want to get the vaccine. Well I was just going to type something along these lines, but you said it for me. And the news yesterday from CDC saying about 30 percent of the available U.S. doses are going to waste because of overly restrictive or P.P.P. rollout plans is just annoying. All while others are D*cking around on useless endeavours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, UnitedWx said: Well I was just going to type something along these lines, but you said it for me. And the news yesterday from CDC saying about 30 percent of the available U.S. doses are going to waste because of overly restrictive or P.P.P. rollout plans is just annoying. All while others are D*cking around on useless endeavours... It is appalling that their is even a single vile/dose going to waste. That is just inexcusable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: It is appalling that their is even a single vile/dose going to waste. That is just inexcusable. Yep. Just get rid of the whole tier approach and make it a free for all. I think the govt underestimated the number of people not willing to get the vaccine and got too cute with the tier thing. So long as LTC's residents have gotten theirs, then I see no reason at this point to not dole it out to everyone. This will absolutely prolong the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Lava Rock said: Yep. Just get rid of the whole tier approach and make it a free for all. I think the govt underestimated the number of people not willing to get the vaccine and got too cute with the tier thing. So long as LTC's residents have gotten theirs, then I see no reason at this point to not dole it out to everyone. This will absolutely prolong the pandemic. The government always messes up this stuff. Centralized planning fails every time because humans aren't always rational or all that predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 9 hours ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: This will go Supreme Court if it becomes a big enough liability for businesses. It may anyway based on observed resistance. Just wait until the idea of "vaccine passports" gets introduced. Public schools and some universities require proof of vaccinations to attend, so we've always had a vaccine passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderBeard Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Light/mod pixie dust. Everything covered including roads. Nice winter morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, snowman21 said: Public schools and some universities require proof of vaccinations to attend, so we've always had a vaccine passport. People are talking about something much, much broader now. Basically unavoidable for average folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderBeard Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, snowman21 said: Public schools and some universities require proof of vaccinations to attend, so we've always had a vaccine passport. Saw some summer program requirements for programs at my uni and this will be the case. Plus continuing testing 3 times per week or you will not have building access since we have gone all electronic. UMass's testing program has been top-notch. Can schedule a day or two before, in and out of the Mullins Center within 15 minutes even if there are 20 people in line before you, get test results that night or early the next morning, even for non-students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Having your spouse spend 33 days in the hospital and watching them gasp for breath in ICU before being intubated changes your mind real fast about the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 hours ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: I believe the reason their laughing is because they looked like us before the got the message and learned the lesson. As always .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, PowderBeard said: Light/mod pixie dust. Everything covered including roads. Nice winter morning. A reminder that's it's January in New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Anyone have breakdowns of polls on willingness to take vaccine based on different factors . Age, ethnicity , can’t mention the last one due to new rules . But my understanding is ALL 3 would show significant variations in willingness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 One thing about this set of vaccines and schools is they are not being administered to kids under 16 if I understand correctly... I just need my wife (3 underlying conditions) and my mother in law (89 with multiple) vaccinated soon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 We're in a very low population density area, and this week was the first time any acquaintances caught the virus - a family that had been attending the same church as us but moved to another nearby one last summer. We have good friends in that 2nd church so we'll be alert for future cases there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernovice Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, tamarack said: We're in a very low population density area, and this week was the first time any acquaintances caught the virus - a family that had been attending the same church as us but moved to another nearby one last summer. We have good friends in that 2nd church so we'll be alert for future cases there. churchs, and anywhere indoors for periods of time greater than 10-15 mins, are huge huge risks regardless of population density. Does your congregation do mass online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Supernovice said: churchs, and anywhere indoors for periods of time greater than 10-15 mins, are huge huge risks regardless of population density. Does your congregation do mass online? Our small church had online-only services from mid March into June. Currently we have in-person services with both masks and distancing - seems like the church-related outbreaks are mostly in places that do neither. We also put the Sunday AM service online for folks whose health/preference means they wouldn't attend at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitinsvilleWX Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 hours ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: can’t mention the last one due to new rules . Actually my experience is that anti vax sentiments transcends "this"^ You see it regardless of "That which cant be discussed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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