40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, powderfreak said: Yeah I could agree with that, it's pretty close to what the geography says. I always think of it based on the shape of the East Coast and Atlantic Ocean... if you smooth out the east coast you can easily see the anomaly that sticks out into the Atlantic. I'd nudge that a hair se....you can't have ORH as interior cp...that is just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 I would move it I84 up to the junction w pike, then continue NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I'd nudge that a hair se....you can't have ORH as interior cp...that is just dumb. Yeah maybe I'm looking too much at the big picture. I'm talking synoptic scale, that's why ORH is always just right "in any direction" to get hit with a coastal storm. It's on the line between coastal plain and interior, IMO. It is on the axis of the large scale Atlantic coastline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I would move it I84 up to the junction w pike, then continue NE. That’s pretty much what that line is...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, ice1972 said: That’s pretty much what that line is...... Like I said....a bit more se. The ORH spine is not CP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whineminster Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 People nitpicking over 7 miles on a map that has a black line 5 miles wide. You can tell there's no storms on the horizon lol. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Like I said....a bit more se. The ORH spine is not CP. I agree.....I think you want 84 to Sturbridge then a line to like Quincy......south shore area.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Like I said....a bit more se. The ORH spine is not CP. Local exception for a very small area inside that line then. Sure. But the larger scale geography on the whole features a lot more marine influence in that area that sticks out into the Atlantic. The line on the whole, as an average, works pretty well for areas that are affected more by marine influences and ocean storms. Differentiating from the interior climate, wind speeds, vegetation, moisture, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Oh I’ve been talking about that geographic truism for years yeah I have even described that line as LGA to PWM I think of SNE as a continental-marine hybrid climate. Ocean modulates too much too often not to be considered as something like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: Oh I’ve been talking about that geographic truism for years yeah I have even described that line as LGA to PWM I think of SNE as a continental-marine hybrid climate. Ocean modulates too much too often not to be considered as something like that. Yup, I've heard you mention it. I'm a believer. The geography that sticks out into the Atlantic and deviates from the mean coastline from SE US to Maritime region. Large scale ocean feedback overwhelms that smallish slice of land on the grand scale. Good description as a marine hybrid climate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Local exception for a very small area inside that line then. Sure. But the larger scale geography on the whole features a lot more marine influence in that area that sticks out into the Atlantic. The line on the whole, as an average, works pretty well for areas that are affected more by marine influences and ocean storms. Differentiating from the interior climate, wind speeds, vegetation, moisture, etc. I don't think Kevin to ORH has much marine influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 My area, clear back to KASH....sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 It’s why our big heat has to come on a WNW or even NW flow as counter intuitive as that may seem. it’s also why some 2/3rds to 3/4 of all NE ‘severe’ days will feature line gapping or splitting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: It’s why our big heat has to come on a WNW or even NW flow as counter intuitive as that may seem. it’s also why some 2/3rds to 3/4 of all NE ‘severe’ days will feature line gapping or splitting You and PF are probably right generally speaking, but I am wired to consider it more from a winter perspective....and basically the only marine influence ORH has is precip augmentation on a deep layer e fetch due to terrain enhancement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: I don't think Kevin to ORH has much marine influence. Yeah I think we are talking on different scales. It's a gradient so for sure if compared to spots further east, it's less marine influence. But compared to like Springfield/CT Valley it's maritime. They'll see low clouds and east flow and higher RH in the means at ORH/TOL. More NEly flow. To me there's a bigger axis at play that includes the east slopes of the ORH/TOL zone as maritime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, ice1972 said: I agree.....I think you want 84 to Sturbridge then a line to like Quincy......south shore area.... Nah, way nw of Quincy....probably up to KASH and just se of MHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: You and PF are probably right generally speaking, but I am wired to consider it more from a winter perspective....and basically the only marine influence ORH has is precip augmentation on a deep layer e fetch due to terrain enhancement. Just now, powderfreak said: Yeah I think we are talking on different scales. It's a gradient so for sure if compared to spots further east, it's less marine influence. But compared to like Springfield/CT Valley it's maritime. They'll see low clouds and east flow and higher RH in the means at ORH/TOL. More NEly flow. To me there's a bigger axis at play that includes the east slopes of the ORH/TOL zone as maritime. Okay, yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Funny how a few years ago, 2015 to be exact, no one cared what was the definition of the coastal plain or the interior. It didn't seem to matter much then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, 78Blizzard said: Funny how a few years ago, 2015 to be exact, no one cared what was the definition of the coastal plain or the interior. It didn't seem to matter much then. Sorry, back to the day 12 anafrontal on the GEM. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Nah, way nw of Quincy....probably up to KASH and just se of MHT. But then you’re back to that line originally proposed......you need some sourdough to clear yourbhead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, ice1972 said: But then you’re back to that line originally proposed......you need some sourdough to clear yourbhead Yea, I think I was wrong on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Yea, I think I was wrong on this one. I’m just wondering where those winters of yore from 2004-2011 went? After that it seems so hit or miss.....sure there’s been biggies but never timed well.....anybody remember last year how we were throwing around “winter of yore” after December came in so great.....then last year happened....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Valley Snowman Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I found this site. Interesting how they classify way up the Hudson and CT rivers in the Northeast Coastal zone. https://bplant.org/region/116#subregions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 A collective “who cares” could be said about the last two pages. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 25 minutes ago, 78Blizzard said: Funny how a few years ago, 2015 to be exact, no one cared what was the definition of the coastal plain or the interior. It didn't seem to matter much then. Right ... a -7 standard deviation airmass floatin a storm through it tends to normalize matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, CoastalWx said: A collective “who cares” could be said about the last fifty-two pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: A collective “who cares” could be said about the last two pages. It's true, but at least we try to have a weather climo discussion during the candlepin bowling pattern when in the dead zone between model runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, powderfreak said: It's true, but at least we try to have a weather climo discussion during the candlepin bowling pattern when in the dead zone between model runs. I want someone to take a candlepin to my head when Tblizz and Kevin are arguing geography. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: Right ... a -7 standard deviation airmass floatin a storm through it tends to normalize matters I don't think we were talking in the singular that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry's Weather Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: For some of us, the era of saggy boobs rages on, as well. You hate to see that- you could always hit the gym! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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