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37 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

Some of the 00Z runs are showing possibly 6 to 9 inches of LES across Onondaga county. I wouldn't be surprised to wake up to a Lake Effect Snow Advisory (Do those still exist?) or WWA for 3 to 6 inches with "possibly more in heavier bands" for the county.

Still hesitant, as it's so easy to be burned by these events...but looks like one of our best shots so far this year for this localized region.

Model qpf panels for LES are really tricky.  I can see a few inches here based on duration. I've learned to just ignore LES and if it happens it's a unexpected bonus.  

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41 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

Some of the 00Z runs are showing possibly 6 to 9 inches of LES across Onondaga county. I wouldn't be surprised to wake up to a Lake Effect Snow Advisory (Do those still exist?) or WWA for 3 to 6 inches with "possibly more in heavier bands" for the county.

Still hesitant, as it's so easy to be burned by these events...but looks like one of our best shots so far this year for this localized region.

Looks like Tuesday will be your best shot. Looks like a pretty decent band too.

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12 minutes ago, Syrmax said:

Model qpf panels for LES are really tricky.  I can see a few inches here based on duration. I've learned to just ignore LES and if it happens it's a unexpected bonus.  

I keep telling myself I'm not going to look at the models tomorrow. I'll just drive myself crazy. :P 

11 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Looks like Tuesday will be your best shot. Looks like a pretty decent band too.

 

Yeah...possibly some Upper Lake connection. Looks like Lake Huron.

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4 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Give me a clipper pattern for just a couple weeks, is that so much to ask? At least we can guarantee everyone in our sub gets to experience winter that way. I honestly don't remember the last clipper pattern, we used to get them all the time in Upstate.

YES, PLEASE. I think the last good clipper pattern I can remember was either...12--13 or 13-14? 

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9 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

YES, PLEASE. I think the last good clipper pattern I can remember was either...12--13 or 13-14? 

The thing is with clipper patterns you get 1-6" from the clipper, sometimes more but its rare and then you get the cold air over the lakes behind which can result in big time lake effect. Those types of events add up over time. Go check out 2013-2014 LES events. We had 15 LES events that year! This is why I always say get us the cold and we will have an above average snowfall year.

https://www.weather.gov/buf/lesEventArchive?season=2013-2014&event=A

https://www.weather.gov/buf/wintersummary1314

Rochesterdave says rochester doesn't benefit but when you have that many events, they get hit hard too. With more events you get a variety of wind directions, it really benefits the entire sub.

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8 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

The thing is with clipper patterns you get 1-6" from the clipper, sometimes more but its rare and then you get the cold air over the lakes behind which can result in big time lake effect. Those types of events add up over time. Go check out 2013-2014 LES events. We had 15 LES events that year! This is why I always say get us the cold and we will have an above average snowfall year.

https://www.weather.gov/buf/lesEventArchive?season=2013-2014&event=A

https://www.weather.gov/buf/wintersummary1314

Rochesterdave says rochester doesn't benefit but when you have that many events, they get hit hard too. With more events you get a variety of wind directions, it really benefits the entire sub.

Totally agree! I love clipper patterns! Like you said, winds blowing cold air over those lakes from different directions...snowpack almost always looks fresh with continued snowfall...and then you can get a day or two of crisp, bright sunshine..and be at peace knowing the next clipper will be coming the next day to freshen everything up again. Oh, how I LOVED the winter of 13-14!

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19 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Long range looks pretty meh, but can always get a surprise with the outlook. It isn't torch straight for 2 weeks. Can definitely get lucky with an event.

At the end of both the 00z and the 6z GFS there is a pretty big cold dump across the east and 6z would be (fantasy I know) an event for the metro that would be epic...one can dream...

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Who was getting excited about January? SSW are completely random in effecting us over here. Even with them you need a delivering mechanism, all the cold air is on the other side of the globe....again. The Pacific has been terrible for 2 years straight. We are entering top climo as January is our coldest month so we can still average above normal and get some surprise events up here.
U were getting excited, that's who!

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Rgem doesn't really have a sustained band though, it would be a quick hitting couple inches verbatim..I suppose it would be better than nothing lol
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Them is garbage, actually they're all garbage when it comes to lake effect so I don't even know why people look at models when it comes to lake effect because they're all wrong in the end

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3 minutes ago, CNY-LES FREAK said:

U were getting excited, that's who!

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Well most Ninas feature good winter months in Dec/Jan and bad winter months in Feb. onwards. Just going by analogs. This is behaving nothing like a Nina, but more like a Nino. Canada is on fire, usually in a Nina they are much colder up there. 

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/O.NEW.KBUF.WW.Y.0028.201228T1200Z-201229T2100Z/
Oswego-
Including the city of Oswego
346 AM EST Mon Dec 28 2020

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM THIS MORNING TO
4 PM EST TUESDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 4 to 6 inches
  across the Tug Hill Plateau, and 3 to 5 inches across lower
  elevations in the most persistent lake snows.

* WHERE...Oswego county. Accumulating snow today through this
  evening will be confined mainly to the Tug Hill Plateau. Lake
  effect snow later tonight through Tuesday will be mainly in the
  central and southern portion of the county.

* WHEN...From 7 AM this morning to 4 PM EST Tuesday.

* IMPACTS...Plan on snow covered and slippery road conditions. The
  hazardous conditions will impact the morning and evening
  commute.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Periods of snow will result in snow covered roads and limited
visibilities. Slow down and use caution while driving.

Submit snow reports through our website or social media.

KBGM

..WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 9 PM THIS EVENING TO
4 PM EST TUESDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 3 to 6
  inches.

* WHERE...Onondaga, Madison and Southern Oneida counties.

* WHEN...From 9 PM this evening to 4 PM EST Tuesday.

* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous
  conditions could impact the morning commute Tuesday.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...A lake effect snow band will set up east of
  Lake Ontario late this evening, move south through the Thruway
  corridor from Syracuse to Utica late tonight and Tuesday
  morning, then into areas south of Syracuse Tuesday morning into
  the early afternoon. This band will have snowfall rates of 1 to
  2 inches per hour at times between 4 am and 10 am.

We'll see how all of this turns out!

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Winter Weather Advisory

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Binghamton NY
402 AM EST Mon Dec 28 2020

NYZ018-036-037-290915-
/O.NEW.KBGM.WW.Y.0021.201229T0200Z-201229T2100Z/
Onondaga-Madison-Southern Oneida-
Including the cities of Syracuse, Hamilton, Oneida, Rome,
and Utica
402 AM EST Mon Dec 28 2020

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 9 PM THIS EVENING TO
4 PM EST TUESDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 3 to 6
  inches.

* WHERE...Onondaga, Madison and Southern Oneida counties.

* WHEN...From 9 PM this evening to 4 PM EST Tuesday.

* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous
  conditions could impact the morning commute Tuesday.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...A lake effect snow band will set up east of
  Lake Ontario late this evening, move south through the Thruway
  corridor from Syracuse to Utica late tonight and Tuesday
  morning, then into areas south of Syracuse Tuesday morning into
  the early afternoon. This band will have snowfall rates of 1 to
  2 inches per hour at times between 4 am and 10 am.

 

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