MJO812 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 53 minutes ago, Buffalo Bumble said: Yeah, last nights runs were about as ugly as it gets for winter enthusiasts. Big blocking has morphed into a mega Bermuda ridge. We might be springing in January. This is for the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Much colder air will pour across the area Monday night and Tuesday in the wake of a secondary cold frontal passage, with 850Ts dropping down into the mid negative teens Celsius. As equilibrium levels rise to near 10K feet, bands of lake effect snow will blossom within a WNW to NW flow. It is looking more and more likely that there will be at least some semblance of an upstream connection with Lake Huron/Georgian Bay. This only increases the potential for some advisory level snows, mainly ESE/SE of the Lakes, especially ESE/SE of Lake Ontario during the second half of Monday night through Tuesday morning. Thus, have upped snow amounts some during this timeframe as things become a bit more clear. If confidence continues to grow, winter headlines may be needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I’ve seen about 6” of snow this entire season. Nothing on the models through first week in January. Wow!!! This is like the early 80’s. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: I’ve seen about 6” of snow this entire season. Nothing on the models through first week in January. Wow!!! This is like the early 80’s. Yeah IF the modeling is correct about a PV split then typically we would have a mild stretch beforehand and then the PV would take over for a few weeks. That stretch of mid January to mid February could be our winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 42 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said: Yeah IF the modeling is correct about a PV split then typically we would have a mild stretch beforehand and then the PV would take over for a few weeks. That stretch of mid January to mid February could be our winter Which sucks because majority of the winter is already over. All of us are getting screwed with the epo despite the AO and NAO being very favorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisy Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Which sucks because majority of the winter is already over. All of us are getting screwed with the epo despite the AO and NAO being very favorable. Majority of winter? Huh? It’s not even NYE. We have 3 full months technically with how March is these days. In fact I’d venture to say March is the best winter month of the season lately at least down here in Philly. Yeah you can subtract a week - 12 days in January right now based on the look currently, but we’re just getting started. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I just ran a snowfall summary from my CoCoRaHS records I’ve managed to nickel and dime my way to 12.4 inches since 11/1, the same amount you Buffalo guys received in 4-5 hours yesterday. My single greatest daily accumulation was 3.4 inches. I know we’re only about a quarter of the way through winter but this is frustrating, especially when you look at models hoping to see a sign of hope and see nothing but cutters followed by lake effect that will probably miss my area. I guess we can always hope for a SSW event to shake things up but I won’t believe it until I see it. I’ve had over 6 inches of liquid precipitation which should have translated into 50-60 inches of snow to this point but on 12/27 I look out the window and see green grass. Thanks for letting me rant. * indicates Multi-Day Accumulation Report Station NY-OG-28 Date Precip in. Snowfall in. Snowfall SWE in. Total Snow Depth in. Total SWE in. 11/01/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/02/2020 0.33 0.3 NA NA NA 11/03/2020 0.20 1.0 NA NA NA 11/04/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/05/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/06/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/07/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/08/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/09/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/10/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/11/2020 0.24 0.0 NA NA NA 11/12/2020 0.29 0.0 NA NA NA 11/13/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/14/2020 0.03 0.0 NA NA NA 11/15/2020 0.01 0.0 NA NA NA 11/16/2020 0.23 0.0 NA NA NA 11/17/2020 0.01 T NA NA NA 11/18/2020 0.19 2.4 NA NA NA 11/19/2020 T T NA NA NA 11/20/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/21/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/22/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/23/2020 0.33 T NA NA NA 11/24/2020 0.75 0.4 NA NA NA 11/25/2020 0.01 T NA NA NA 11/26/2020 0.53 0.0 NA NA NA 11/27/2020 0.03 0.0 NA NA NA 11/28/2020 0.08 0.0 NA NA NA 11/29/2020 0.01 0.0 NA NA NA 11/30/2020 0.01 0.0 NA NA NA 12/01/2020 0.38 0.0 NA NA NA 12/02/2020 0.11 0.7 NA NA NA 12/03/2020 0.08 1.4 NA NA NA 12/04/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/05/2020 0.12 0.0 NA NA NA 12/06/2020 0.02 0.1 NA NA NA 12/07/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/08/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/09/2020 0.08 0.8 NA NA NA 12/10/2020 0.20 0.7 NA NA NA 12/11/2020 0.02 0.0 NA NA NA 12/12/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/13/2020 T 0.0 NA NA NA 12/14/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/15/2020 0.03 0.3 NA NA NA 12/16/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/17/2020 0.36 3.4 NA NA NA 12/18/2020 0.01 0.1 NA NA NA 12/19/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/20/2020 0.02 0.3 NA NA NA 12/21/2020 0.10 0.2 NA NA NA 12/22/2020 0.04 0.0 NA NA NA 12/23/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/24/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/25/2020 1.17 0.0 NA NA NA 12/26/2020 0.10 0.3 NA NA NA 12/27/2020 T T NA NA NA Totals : 6.12 in. 12.4 in. 0.00 in. -- -- For questions or comments concerning this web page please contact [email protected]. Unless otherwise noted, all content on the CoCoRaHS website is released under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License. Privacy Policy Data Usage Policy Copyright © 1998-2020, Colorado Climate Center, All rights reserved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just now, Wentzadelphia said: Majority of winter? Huh? It’s not even NYE. We have 3 full months technically with how March is these days. In fact I’d venture to say March is the best winter month of the season lately at least down here in Philly. Yeah you can subtract a week - 12 days in January right now based on the look currently, but we’re just getting started. Agreed lots of time left, and from perusing the mid-Atlantic blog I know you guys score best in February in many winters. A good block with a PV over Hudson Bay would be a very nice thing for the MA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Rgem keeps the bulk of the next LES event just to my south as winds are more "west" then "north".. Obviously I'll be keeping an eye on it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, CNY_WX said: I just ran a snowfall summary from my CoCoRaHS records I’ve managed to nickel and dime my way to 12.4 inches since 11/1, the same amount you Buffalo guys received in 4-5 hours yesterday. My single greatest daily accumulation was 3.4 inches. I know we’re only about a quarter of the way through winter but this is frustrating, especially when you look at models hoping to see a sign of hope and see nothing but cutters followed by lake effect that will probably miss my area. I guess we can always hope for a SSW event to shake things up but I won’t believe it until I see it. I’ve had over 6 inches of liquid precipitation which should have translated into 50-60 inches of snow to this point but on 12/27 I look out the window and see green grass. Thanks for letting me rant. * indicates Multi-Day Accumulation Report Station NY-OG-28 Date Precip in. Snowfall in. Snowfall SWE in. Total Snow Depth in. Total SWE in. 11/01/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/02/2020 0.33 0.3 NA NA NA 11/03/2020 0.20 1.0 NA NA NA 11/04/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/05/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/06/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/07/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/08/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/09/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/10/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/11/2020 0.24 0.0 NA NA NA 11/12/2020 0.29 0.0 NA NA NA 11/13/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/14/2020 0.03 0.0 NA NA NA 11/15/2020 0.01 0.0 NA NA NA 11/16/2020 0.23 0.0 NA NA NA 11/17/2020 0.01 T NA NA NA 11/18/2020 0.19 2.4 NA NA NA 11/19/2020 T T NA NA NA 11/20/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/21/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/22/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 11/23/2020 0.33 T NA NA NA 11/24/2020 0.75 0.4 NA NA NA 11/25/2020 0.01 T NA NA NA 11/26/2020 0.53 0.0 NA NA NA 11/27/2020 0.03 0.0 NA NA NA 11/28/2020 0.08 0.0 NA NA NA 11/29/2020 0.01 0.0 NA NA NA 11/30/2020 0.01 0.0 NA NA NA 12/01/2020 0.38 0.0 NA NA NA 12/02/2020 0.11 0.7 NA NA NA 12/03/2020 0.08 1.4 NA NA NA 12/04/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/05/2020 0.12 0.0 NA NA NA 12/06/2020 0.02 0.1 NA NA NA 12/07/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/08/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/09/2020 0.08 0.8 NA NA NA 12/10/2020 0.20 0.7 NA NA NA 12/11/2020 0.02 0.0 NA NA NA 12/12/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/13/2020 T 0.0 NA NA NA 12/14/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/15/2020 0.03 0.3 NA NA NA 12/16/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/17/2020 0.36 3.4 NA NA NA 12/18/2020 0.01 0.1 NA NA NA 12/19/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/20/2020 0.02 0.3 NA NA NA 12/21/2020 0.10 0.2 NA NA NA 12/22/2020 0.04 0.0 NA NA NA 12/23/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/24/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/25/2020 1.17 0.0 NA NA NA 12/26/2020 0.10 0.3 NA NA NA 12/27/2020 T T NA NA NA Totals : 6.12 in. 12.4 in. 0.00 in. -- -- For questions or comments concerning this web page please contact [email protected]. Unless otherwise noted, all content on the CoCoRaHS website is released under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License. Privacy Policy Data Usage Policy Copyright © 1998-2020, Colorado Climate Center, All rights reserved. It’s gotta change. Hopefully we have that one big storm that kinda resets the pattern and all goes well after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geez150 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said: Yeah IF the modeling is correct about a PV split then typically we would have a mild stretch beforehand and then the PV would take over for a few weeks. That stretch of mid January to mid February could be our winter If that does happen I sure hope that a 10-14 window isn't winter.. would be great to carry that into February as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericjcrash Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 11 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said: Strong ice storm signal around new year with that high pressure to the north If it was a bit stronger, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 hour ago, rochesterdave said: I’ve seen about 6” of snow this entire season. Nothing on the models through first week in January. Wow!!! This is like the early 80’s. Same. Haven't even made it to a foot on the season. Two months down the dumper. LOTS of snow along the Lake Erie lakeshore on the drive home last night. I took it all in, as it may be the most snow on the ground I see all winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Rgem keeps the bulk of the next LES event just to my south as winds are more "west" then "north".. Obviously I'll be keeping an eye on it lol I’m guessing you got skunked with the last one? Ontario never fired up the way we hoped... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Rgem keeps the bulk of the next LES event just to my south as winds are more "west" then "north".. Obviously I'll be keeping an eye on it lol Some recent runs seem to be showing the LES setting up farther north and missing me again. I am trying sooooo hard not to whine this morning. Disheartened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Picked up about 13" Dave.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Picked up about 13" Dave.. Nice! Wow! You did almost as well as N Redfield. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Yeah it was heaviest closer to the lake at first but then the band drifted north overnight hitting up the tug while I was fighting heavy graupel.. Definitely lost a possible few inches more lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 You can see all the graupel balls as I clean off the car lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Some recent runs seem to be showing the LES setting up farther north and missing me again. I am trying sooooo hard not to whine this morning. Disheartened Go ahead and bitch. Nobody can blame you. Well... actually some of us do blame you. Seriously though, it’s been a tough time to live in Syracuse or Rochester as snow lovers. We do best in deep, cold winters with persistent NW flow- those winters might be gone. This pattern favors transient systems with quick, violent fronts. We need a winter that settles in with a deep eastern trough and an Alaskan ridge. If it wasn’t for blocking (at least that’s something) the raging pacific would be serving up exactly the same as we had last year. And that was bad enough. One of these storms should turn at the right longitude. This pattern is also good for a retrograde storm like Tim and I always dream about- get one to spin up in the atlantic then back in to the Adks and stall. Opportunities but these things only leave 50 mile swaths... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Yeah it was heaviest closer to the lake at first but then the band drifted north overnight hitting up the tug while I was fighting heavy graupel.. Definitely lost a possible few inches more lol Have you ever been up to the radar tower? Is it near the solar farm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 How disgusting. No cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: How disgusting. No cold. I don’t think I’ve ever looked at 2 weeks of rain in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said: I don’t think I’ve ever looked at 2 weeks of rain in January We just had that last January. January 2020 was the 9th warmest in the records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Buffalo is +3 in temps for Dec and +10.7 for snowfall departure. Just goes to show you all it takes is 1 event to get back to normal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Long range looks pretty meh, but can always get a surprise with the outlook. It isn't torch straight for 2 weeks. Can definitely get lucky with an event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: How disgusting. No cold. All these horrible outlooks are validating my choice for chasing yesterday. There is no way I’ll see anything in my backyard that even comes close to what I experienced yesterday. I at least kind of got my fix. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Last January only had 1-2 days with highs below freezing, crazy. Was +8.1 https://w2.weather.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=buf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: All these horrible outlooks are validating my choice for chasing yesterday. There is no way I’ll see anything in my backyard that even comes close to what I experienced yesterday. I at least kind of got my fix. Yeah, you need cold air to get good LES. Lake temps are cooling a little, so you need even more cold air. The air coming the next 2 weeks isn't even close to what we got yesterday. At least 3 weeks out from next LES event. Might have some small ones behind these storms, but nothing like yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Phin has a fantastic Nest cam set up of the white mountains in NH. https://video.nest.com/live/URwoSmP3dg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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