Syrmax Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, CNY_WX said: I only measured 0.08 here. I only had 0.15" rain but even that and a modest warmup to near 40 for a while decimated snowcover here. 5" of lake fluff o.g. yesterday a.m. is down to about 1" and lots of bare spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, TugHillMatt said: Oh, so they do have some wisdom on something... How much of your white fertilizer survived? The 6 inches here was demolished in 12 hours!!!! Dewpoints weren't even high. It must have been the gusty south wind, rain, and warmer ground from the 40s the day before. I thought since it had a higher moisture content, it might last longer. I still have a snow cover here but it’s probably half of what it was the other day. Of course I always expect lake effect snow to compact to about half of what is measured even when it’s cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, CNY_WX said: I still have a snow cover here but it’s probably half of what it was the other day. Of course I always expect lake effect snow to compact to about half of what is measured even when it’s cold. Nice. Now it will freeze and make for a solid base. Still a few areas here with snowcover but probably 80% bare. Still has a liiiiitle wintry feel with piles along all the roads, driveways, and lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Still holding on here, losing about 1"-1.5" per day lol The snow was more wet then usual for LES with 13" on 1" LE, gave it a little more staying power.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Here’s my backyard this morning. Edit: The dew point is down to the upper 20s. Even though the temperature is 34 the sub freezing dew point slows down melting by depressing temperatures near the surface through evaporational cooling. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Rgem looks like a decent hit for the Sunday/Monday system for CNY and east. Western NY doesn't look so good. I am curious as to if the Low was to move a bit more to the west if we could get heavier snow here, or if somehow (season trend) warm air gets pumped in. It doesn't seem like being on the NW side matters anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1"-3" type event on the NAM for Sunday/Monday, temps below freezing away from the lake.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Nice. Now it will freeze and make for a solid base. Still a few areas here with snowcover but probably 80% bare. Still has a liiiiitle wintry feel with piles along all the roads, driveways, and lots. Maybe we should start making our own snow like the guy down in Midlothian VA used to do. Not sure if he still does, lost track of that from back in EUS forum etc when we all posted together and not compartmentalized into subforums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Rgem abandoned us for the next event which is why I don't use it much for synoptics lol Expect the GGEM to move north as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Syrmax said: Maybe we should start making our own snow like the guy down in Midlothian VA used to do. Not sure if he still does, lost track of that from back in EUS forum etc when we all posted together and not compartmentalized into subforums. I remember that. Back when we used to have real winters up here. Now we have the mid Atlantic winters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 27 minutes ago, Syrmax said: Maybe we should start making our own snow like the guy down in Midlothian VA used to do. Not sure if he still does, lost track of that from back in EUS forum etc when we all posted together and not compartmentalized into subforums. 24 minutes ago, CNY_WX said: I remember that. Back when we used to have real winters up here. Now we have the mid Atlantic winters. I remember it too. There is another poster on the mid-Atlantic forum who has a snow machine. I think he's posted pictures of the mountains of snow he has in his yard sometimes. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: I remember it too. There is another poster on the mid-Atlantic forum who has a snow machine. I think he's posted pictures of the mountains of snow he has in his yard sometimes. haha You need one of those Tug. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Boston with big hit on 12z GFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said: Boston with big hit on 12z GFS Locked in no doubt.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 Just now, Syrmax said: Locked in no doubt.... Get used to it. The type of pattern coming up they will cash in quite a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: You need one of those Tug. My family, especially my wife, have joked with me over the years about getting one so she can live down south and I can get my "snow". It's just not the same... BUT, if we continue getting Virginia weather here, I may just have to consider that expensive purchase.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: I remember it too. There is another poster on the mid-Atlantic forum who has a snow machine. I think he's posted pictures of the mountains of snow he has in his yard sometimes. haha And they call lake effect fake snow! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: My family, especially my wife, have joked with me over the years about getting one so she can live down south and I can get my "snow". It's just not the same... BUT, if we continue getting Virginia weather here, I may just have to consider that expensive purchase.. Actually there are spots down south that are getting more snow than us. West Texas is getting hammered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 37/25 with 16" so far this month, most of that coming in 1 event..I should be hooking my weather station back up soon.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 You would think with a record breaking NAO we would be at least a little chilly. We learned a lot this year, Pacific controls the cold. Which honestly makes a lot of sense. Our source of cold air is Canada, Canadas source of cold air comes from the Pacific with a west to east flow. The Atlantic matters more for Europe then it does for us. Atlantic blocking only really matters for New England/Mid Atlantic snowstorms. That is why -NAO is talked about so much in these forums. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericjcrash Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Pretty wintry 4 days setting up here without any week long model watching as it's definitely no blockbuster (outside of the weenie Canadian run last night). Also you can already see the GFS ticked NW for Sunday, shocker. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, CNY_WX said: Actually there are spots down south that are getting more snow than us. West Texas is getting hammered. 3-6" along immediate Mexico border with high temps near 70 in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Stations: NY-OG-28 Brewerton 1.5 ESE Lat: 43.228345 Lon: -76.113248 * indicates Multi-Day Accumulation Report Station NY-OG-28 Date Precip in. Snowfall in. Snowfall SWE in. Total Snow Depth in. Total SWE in. 12/01/2020 0.38 0.0 NA NA NA 12/02/2020 0.11 0.7 NA NA NA 12/03/2020 0.08 1.4 NA NA NA 12/04/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/05/2020 0.12 0.0 NA NA NA 12/06/2020 0.02 0.1 NA NA NA 12/07/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/08/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/09/2020 0.08 0.8 NA NA NA 12/10/2020 0.20 0.7 NA NA NA 12/11/2020 0.02 0.0 NA NA NA 12/12/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/13/2020 T 0.0 NA NA NA 12/14/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/15/2020 0.03 0.3 NA NA NA 12/16/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/17/2020 0.36 3.4 NA NA NA 12/18/2020 0.01 0.1 NA NA NA 12/19/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/20/2020 0.02 0.3 NA NA NA 12/21/2020 0.10 0.2 NA NA NA 12/22/2020 0.04 0.0 NA NA NA 12/23/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/24/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/25/2020 1.17 0.0 NA NA NA 12/26/2020 0.10 0.3 NA NA NA 12/27/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/28/2020 0.01 T NA NA NA 12/29/2020 NA 13.2 NA NA NA 12/30/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/31/2020 0.08 0.0 NA NA NA Totals : 2.93 in. 21.5 in. 0.00 in. -- -- The lake effect the other night somewhat saved the month. 21.5 inches is still well below normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 The Sunday system appears to be another one of these primary waves moving up the Ohio Valley and bringing warm air up here...THEN energy transfers to the coast, leaving us in the middle with light junk trying to fight a changeover to snow. Are these the ONLY synoptic systems you can get up here, guys? Don't you dare say "only since you moved here, Tug." Bahaha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Hoping the Canadian solution holds fast. Pretty much as a cold NW flow for like a week with light LE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Synoptic hybrid events Those are the best lol A strong cold front crossed the Lower Great Lakes from west to east during the day of the 19th. The airmass was only marginally cold by late in the day on the 19th, with lake effect rain mixed with wet snow developing off Lake Erie near Buffalo, changing to all snow across the higher terrain south of the city during the evening. The heavier snow did not develop until a secondary cold front crossed the area on the morning of the 20th, bringing a strong push of arctic air into the region. A strong area of low pressure developed over New England on the 20th and moved very slowly north into southern Quebec on the 21st. Abundant moisture and lift associated with the strong low pressure system produced widespread light to moderate snow across much of the region from the Genesee Valley into Central and Northern New York. The close proximity of the strong low and the associated deep moisture and lift made this a hybrid lake effect snow event. Lake enhanced snow covered a much larger area than in our typical lake effect snow events that feature very narrow bands of heavy snow. The most persistent lake enhanced snow was found east and southeast of Lake Ontario, with storm totals of over one foot in a large area from Rochester eastward to the Tug Hill region and Watertown. Upstream connections to lake effect snow off Georgian Bay also enhanced snowfall across parts of Central NY. Very persistent upslope flow into the higher terrain of the Tug Hill Plateau played a critical role in producing the highest totals from this event, with a few locations seeing 3 to 4+ feet of snow over a 3 day period. This event also produced unusually heavy amounts of lake effect snow outside of our area across the Finger Lakes and Southern Tier. The Binghamton airport and several other locations in the Finger Lakes and Syracuse area received over 2 feet of snow over the 3 day period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, CNY_WX said: Stations: NY-OG-28 Brewerton 1.5 ESE Lat: 43.228345 Lon: -76.113248 * indicates Multi-Day Accumulation Report Station NY-OG-28 Date Precip in. Snowfall in. Snowfall SWE in. Total Snow Depth in. Total SWE in. 12/01/2020 0.38 0.0 NA NA NA 12/02/2020 0.11 0.7 NA NA NA 12/03/2020 0.08 1.4 NA NA NA 12/04/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/05/2020 0.12 0.0 NA NA NA 12/06/2020 0.02 0.1 NA NA NA 12/07/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/08/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/09/2020 0.08 0.8 NA NA NA 12/10/2020 0.20 0.7 NA NA NA 12/11/2020 0.02 0.0 NA NA NA 12/12/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/13/2020 T 0.0 NA NA NA 12/14/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/15/2020 0.03 0.3 NA NA NA 12/16/2020 -- -- -- -- -- 12/17/2020 0.36 3.4 NA NA NA 12/18/2020 0.01 0.1 NA NA NA 12/19/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/20/2020 0.02 0.3 NA NA NA 12/21/2020 0.10 0.2 NA NA NA 12/22/2020 0.04 0.0 NA NA NA 12/23/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/24/2020 0.00 0.0 NA NA NA 12/25/2020 1.17 0.0 NA NA NA 12/26/2020 0.10 0.3 NA NA NA 12/27/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/28/2020 0.01 T NA NA NA 12/29/2020 NA 13.2 NA NA NA 12/30/2020 T T NA NA NA 12/31/2020 0.08 0.0 NA NA NA Totals : 2.93 in. 21.5 in. 0.00 in. -- -- The lake effect the other night somewhat saved the month. 21.5 inches is still well below normal. January is definitely going to be a below average snowfall month unless the last 2 weeks we get 2-3 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 At least the GFS isn't showing many more cutters, they just all miss us to the south now lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericjcrash Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: At least the GFS isn't showing many more cutters, they just all miss us to the south now lol Take our chances with the hundreds of miles NW swings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Synoptic hybrid events Those are the best lol A strong cold front crossed the Lower Great Lakes from west to east during the day of the 19th. The airmass was only marginally cold by late in the day on the 19th, with lake effect rain mixed with wet snow developing off Lake Erie near Buffalo, changing to all snow across the higher terrain south of the city during the evening. The heavier snow did not develop until a secondary cold front crossed the area on the morning of the 20th, bringing a strong push of arctic air into the region. A strong area of low pressure developed over New England on the 20th and moved very slowly north into southern Quebec on the 21st. Abundant moisture and lift associated with the strong low pressure system produced widespread light to moderate snow across much of the region from the Genesee Valley into Central and Northern New York. The close proximity of the strong low and the associated deep moisture and lift made this a hybrid lake effect snow event. Lake enhanced snow covered a much larger area than in our typical lake effect snow events that feature very narrow bands of heavy snow. The most persistent lake enhanced snow was found east and southeast of Lake Ontario, with storm totals of over one foot in a large area from Rochester eastward to the Tug Hill region and Watertown. Upstream connections to lake effect snow off Georgian Bay also enhanced snowfall across parts of Central NY. Very persistent upslope flow into the higher terrain of the Tug Hill Plateau played a critical role in producing the highest totals from this event, with a few locations seeing 3 to 4+ feet of snow over a 3 day period. This event also produced unusually heavy amounts of lake effect snow outside of our area across the Finger Lakes and Southern Tier. The Binghamton airport and several other locations in the Finger Lakes and Syracuse area received over 2 feet of snow over the 3 day period. Super cool! Thanks for uploading the radar fro BUF also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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