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Much colder air will pour across the area Monday night and Tuesday
in the wake of a secondary cold frontal passage, with 850Ts
dropping down into the mid negative teens Celsius. As equilibrium
levels rise to near 10K feet, bands of lake effect snow will
blossom within a WNW to NW flow. It is looking more and more
likely that there will be at least some semblance of an upstream
connection with Lake Huron/Georgian Bay. This only increases
the potential for some advisory level snows, mainly ESE/SE of the
Lakes, especially ESE/SE of Lake Ontario during the second half of
Monday night through Tuesday morning. Thus, have upped snow amounts
some during this timeframe as things become a bit more clear. If
confidence continues to grow, winter headlines may be needed
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13 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

I’ve seen about 6” of snow this entire season. Nothing on the models through first week in January. Wow!!! This is like the early 80’s. 

Yeah IF the modeling is correct about a PV split then typically we would have a mild stretch beforehand and then the PV would take over for a few weeks. That stretch of mid January to mid February could be our winter 

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42 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said:

Yeah IF the modeling is correct about a PV split then typically we would have a mild stretch beforehand and then the PV would take over for a few weeks. That stretch of mid January to mid February could be our winter 

Which sucks because majority of the winter is already over. All of us are getting screwed with the epo despite the AO and NAO being very favorable.

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3 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Which sucks because majority of the winter is already over. All of us are getting screwed with the epo despite the AO and NAO being very favorable.

Majority of winter? Huh? It’s not even NYE. We have 3 full months technically with how March is these days. In fact I’d venture to say March is the best winter month of the season lately at least down here in Philly. Yeah you can subtract a week - 12 days in January right now based on the look currently, but we’re just getting started.

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I just ran a snowfall summary from my CoCoRaHS records  I’ve managed to nickel and dime my way to 12.4 inches since 11/1, the same amount you Buffalo guys received in 4-5 hours yesterday.  My single greatest daily accumulation was 3.4 inches.  I know we’re only about a quarter of the way through winter but this is frustrating, especially when you look at models hoping to see a sign of hope and see nothing but cutters followed by lake effect that will probably miss my area.  I guess we can always hope for a SSW event to shake things up but I won’t believe it until I see it.  I’ve had over 6 inches of liquid precipitation which should have translated into 50-60 inches of snow to this point but on 12/27 I look out the window and see green grass.  Thanks for letting me rant.

 

* indicates Multi-Day Accumulation Report
Station               NY-OG-28
Date Precip in. Snowfall in. Snowfall SWE in. Total Snow Depth in. Total SWE in.
11/01/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/02/2020   0.33 0.3 NA NA NA
11/03/2020   0.20 1.0 NA NA NA
11/04/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/05/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/06/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/07/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/08/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/09/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/10/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/11/2020   0.24 0.0 NA NA NA
11/12/2020   0.29 0.0 NA NA NA
11/13/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/14/2020   0.03 0.0 NA NA NA
11/15/2020   0.01 0.0 NA NA NA
11/16/2020   0.23 0.0 NA NA NA
11/17/2020   0.01 T NA NA NA
11/18/2020   0.19 2.4 NA NA NA
11/19/2020   T T NA NA NA
11/20/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/21/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/22/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/23/2020   0.33 T NA NA NA
11/24/2020   0.75 0.4 NA NA NA
11/25/2020   0.01 T NA NA NA
11/26/2020   0.53 0.0 NA NA NA
11/27/2020   0.03 0.0 NA NA NA
11/28/2020   0.08 0.0 NA NA NA
11/29/2020   0.01 0.0 NA NA NA
11/30/2020   0.01 0.0 NA NA NA
12/01/2020   0.38 0.0 NA NA NA
12/02/2020   0.11 0.7 NA NA NA
12/03/2020   0.08 1.4 NA NA NA
12/04/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/05/2020   0.12 0.0 NA NA NA
12/06/2020   0.02 0.1 NA NA NA
12/07/2020   -- -- -- -- --
12/08/2020   T T NA NA NA
12/09/2020   0.08 0.8 NA NA NA
12/10/2020   0.20 0.7 NA NA NA
12/11/2020   0.02 0.0 NA NA NA
12/12/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/13/2020   T 0.0 NA NA NA
12/14/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/15/2020   0.03 0.3 NA NA NA
12/16/2020   -- -- -- -- --
12/17/2020   0.36 3.4 NA NA NA
12/18/2020   0.01 0.1 NA NA NA
12/19/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/20/2020   0.02 0.3 NA NA NA
12/21/2020   0.10 0.2 NA NA NA
12/22/2020   0.04 0.0 NA NA NA
12/23/2020   T T NA NA NA
12/24/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/25/2020   1.17 0.0 NA NA NA
12/26/2020   0.10 0.3 NA NA NA
12/27/2020   T T NA NA NA
Totals :  6.12 in. 12.4 in. 0.00 in. -- --
 

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Just now, Wentzadelphia said:

Majority of winter? Huh? It’s not even NYE. We have 3 full months technically with how March is these days. In fact I’d venture to say March is the best winter month of the season lately at least down here in Philly. Yeah you can subtract a week - 12 days in January right now based on the look currently, but we’re just getting started.

Agreed lots of time left, and from perusing the mid-Atlantic blog I know you guys score best in February in many winters. A good block with a PV over Hudson Bay would be a very nice thing for the MA

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1 minute ago, CNY_WX said:


I just ran a snowfall summary from my CoCoRaHS records  I’ve managed to nickel and dime my way to 12.4 inches since 11/1, the same amount you Buffalo guys received in 4-5 hours yesterday.  My single greatest daily accumulation was 3.4 inches.  I know we’re only about a quarter of the way through winter but this is frustrating, especially when you look at models hoping to see a sign of hope and see nothing but cutters followed by lake effect that will probably miss my area.  I guess we can always hope for a SSW event to shake things up but I won’t believe it until I see it.  I’ve had over 6 inches of liquid precipitation which should have translated into 50-60 inches of snow to this point but on 12/27 I look out the window and see green grass.  Thanks for letting me rant.

 

* indicates Multi-Day Accumulation Report
Station               NY-OG-28
Date Precip in. Snowfall in. Snowfall SWE in. Total Snow Depth in. Total SWE in.
11/01/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/02/2020   0.33 0.3 NA NA NA
11/03/2020   0.20 1.0 NA NA NA
11/04/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/05/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/06/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/07/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/08/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/09/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/10/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/11/2020   0.24 0.0 NA NA NA
11/12/2020   0.29 0.0 NA NA NA
11/13/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/14/2020   0.03 0.0 NA NA NA
11/15/2020   0.01 0.0 NA NA NA
11/16/2020   0.23 0.0 NA NA NA
11/17/2020   0.01 T NA NA NA
11/18/2020   0.19 2.4 NA NA NA
11/19/2020   T T NA NA NA
11/20/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/21/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/22/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
11/23/2020   0.33 T NA NA NA
11/24/2020   0.75 0.4 NA NA NA
11/25/2020   0.01 T NA NA NA
11/26/2020   0.53 0.0 NA NA NA
11/27/2020   0.03 0.0 NA NA NA
11/28/2020   0.08 0.0 NA NA NA
11/29/2020   0.01 0.0 NA NA NA
11/30/2020   0.01 0.0 NA NA NA
12/01/2020   0.38 0.0 NA NA NA
12/02/2020   0.11 0.7 NA NA NA
12/03/2020   0.08 1.4 NA NA NA
12/04/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/05/2020   0.12 0.0 NA NA NA
12/06/2020   0.02 0.1 NA NA NA
12/07/2020   -- -- -- -- --
12/08/2020   T T NA NA NA
12/09/2020   0.08 0.8 NA NA NA
12/10/2020   0.20 0.7 NA NA NA
12/11/2020   0.02 0.0 NA NA NA
12/12/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/13/2020   T 0.0 NA NA NA
12/14/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/15/2020   0.03 0.3 NA NA NA
12/16/2020   -- -- -- -- --
12/17/2020   0.36 3.4 NA NA NA
12/18/2020   0.01 0.1 NA NA NA
12/19/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/20/2020   0.02 0.3 NA NA NA
12/21/2020   0.10 0.2 NA NA NA
12/22/2020   0.04 0.0 NA NA NA
12/23/2020   T T NA NA NA
12/24/2020   0.00 0.0 NA NA NA
12/25/2020   1.17 0.0 NA NA NA
12/26/2020   0.10 0.3 NA NA NA
12/27/2020   T T NA NA NA
Totals :  6.12 in. 12.4 in. 0.00 in. -- --
 

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It’s gotta change. Hopefully we have that one big storm that kinda resets the pattern and all goes well after.

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51 minutes ago, Thinksnow18 said:

Yeah IF the modeling is correct about a PV split then typically we would have a mild stretch beforehand and then the PV would take over for a few weeks. That stretch of mid January to mid February could be our winter 

If that does happen I sure hope that a 10-14 window isn't winter.. would be great to carry that into February as well.

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1 hour ago, rochesterdave said:

I’ve seen about 6” of snow this entire season. Nothing on the models through first week in January. Wow!!! This is like the early 80’s. 

Same. Haven't even made it to a foot on the season. Two months down the dumper.

LOTS of snow along the Lake Erie lakeshore on the drive home last night. I took it all in, as it may be the most snow on the ground I see all winter.

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30 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Rgem keeps the bulk of the next LES event just to my south as winds are more "west" then "north".. Obviously I'll be keeping an eye on it lol

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Some recent runs seem to be showing the LES setting up farther north and missing me again. I am trying sooooo hard not to whine this morning. Disheartened

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18 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said:

Some recent runs seem to be showing the LES setting up farther north and missing me again. I am trying sooooo hard not to whine this morning. Disheartened

Go ahead and bitch. Nobody can blame you. Well... actually some of us do blame you. 
Seriously though, it’s been a tough time to live in Syracuse or Rochester as snow lovers. We do best in deep, cold winters with persistent NW flow- those winters might be gone. This pattern favors transient systems with quick, violent fronts. We need a winter that settles in with a deep eastern trough and an Alaskan ridge. If it wasn’t for blocking (at least that’s something) the raging pacific would be serving up exactly the same as we had last year. And that was bad enough. 
One of these storms should turn at the right longitude. This pattern is also good for a retrograde storm like Tim and I always dream about- get one to spin up in the atlantic then back in to the Adks and stall. Opportunities but these things only leave 50 mile swaths...

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29 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

How disgusting. No cold. image.thumb.png.587f1ee5cd5d6d3ed762b76f34ccadfd.png

 All these horrible outlooks are validating my choice for chasing yesterday.  There is no way I’ll see anything in my backyard that even comes close to what I experienced yesterday. I at least kind of got my fix.  

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4 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said:

 All these horrible outlooks are validating my choice for chasing yesterday.  There is no way I’ll see anything in my backyard that even comes close to what I experienced yesterday. I at least kind of got my fix.  

Yeah, you need cold air to get good LES. Lake temps are cooling a little, so you need even more cold air. The air coming the next 2 weeks isn't even close to what we got yesterday. At least 3 weeks out from next LES event. Might have some small ones behind these storms, but nothing like yesterday.

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