jayyy Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: @mappy @losetoa6 @Eskimo Joe @HighStakes @showmethesnow @DDweatherman I have been super busy all day...today was a big due day for tons of paperwork and reports before the holiday break. So forgive me if this was discussed, I haven't been able to keep up. But wanted to highlight the chances for our area tonight to get a little surprise. I am going to use the 18z euro because it has been the most consistent on the train...shown it for 5 runs straight now and it gets more pronounced every run. For the record the NAM's don't really like this idea...the HRRR is hit or miss run to run, but the RGEM 10K and 3K both are in the euro camp. We can see that area of precip breaking out to our SW in response to the mid and upper level energy approaching from the ohio valley... But as of now that energy is not phased up with the coastal and the developing precip is mostly mid and upper level instability related without any connection to the deep moisture transport associated with the coastal system. However...by 6z we can see the mid and upper levels have caught up and are phasing in with the coastal system and the results to the banding of precip (if that does indeed happen in sync like that) over our area. As the mid and upper level energy catches up to the surface system and phases that mid and upper level energy and instability will now have access to deeper moisture transport from the coastal. So we see the banding associated with it really explode. Keep in mind this is a 1 hour precip plot so that is heavy precip across all of central and northeastern MD. The red line denotes where I believe the rain snow line would be at this time. Looking at soundings across guidance the wam layers left at that time are thin enough that heavy precip would overcome north of that line...but that precip moves out slowly over the next 4 hours and that line sags south a bit. This next plot is the precip associated with that band that falls between 3z and 9z. The purple line is my estimate of where north of there all of this would be snow. The red line is the southern extent of where the changeover gets before about 80% of the precip is moving out. Not saying there cannot be any snow TV south of that line...but that is my estimate of where I think it is reasonable to think accumulating snowfall could get with this band. But keep in mind...if that band were to really get going more then even this prog shows....it could cool the column as the heights crash further south. Stranger things have happened. Probably the best example of a banding feature like this maxing out was that xmas day miracle snow we got in 2002. From the QPF if the euro is correct this could actually be a pretty sizeable amount along the northern tier of MD. Some places could get 4-6" which is an event in its own right. Maybe even more if everything maxes out perfectly. Of course...if the mid and upper level energy fails to sync up perfectly it could all just be a band of light precip that cannot overcome the leftover warm layers near 800mb and nothing comes of it. Now...how likely is this. The Euro has been doubling down every run for over 24 hours. The short range Canadian twins agree. The HRRR is kinda in between and the NAM says no thank you...it has the banding but too light to trigger the cooling needed to result in anything significant south of the PA line. The upper level pass is slightly north of ideal...but not bad. The mid level pass is really good. It's a matter of do they sync up right. Models suck at that. These things surprise both good and bad all the time. I am going to be an optimist here and say this does come together and we have a decent shot at some accumulating snow across the northern tier of MD tonight. we love when you talk dirty. Thank you for the breakdown. I hope so! I’m dead smack in that area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP08 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, MN Transplant said: That central PA radar is gorgeous. I have family in Scranton, they have travel emergency notices going to their phones. I hope to be getting pics tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolz1 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Chris78 said: Had about .5 of sleet this evening for a total of 6" so far of snow/sleet. Snow is trying to mix back in now. Moderate sleet/ snow mix now. I think the changeover is finally occurring now here too....after several head fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWxLuvr Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Man it’s snowing good here. Too bad this can’t last until about Saturday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmagnet Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, BristowWx said: I’ve been at 32 even for 3 hours. Has to be a record in there. Even changed the batteries still 32. I was stuck at 32.5 for several hours. Finally around 31 now. It still is raining, but sounds a bit more icy, maybe changing over a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDweatherman Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, jayyy said: we love when you talk dirty. Thank you for the breakdown. I hope so! I’m dead smack in that area And as @psuhoffman said the NAM was out, it throws us some snow tonight on the 0z. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A777 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Heavy sleet in NW Rockville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayyy Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, DDweatherman said: And as @psuhoffman said the NAM was out, it throws us some snow tonight on the 0z. That ULL catches the coastal quick enough and I think our area sees an additional 3” or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlanticweather Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just finished shoveling 180 feet of aleety slush mushy icy mess.. And it started sleeting like crazy. Everything is covered and white again with ice pellets. Snow is trying to get involved but it is slow to transition. That was not fun. But it kind of was fun! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldub23 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Seems like the dry slot and warm nose always goes further north and west than expected. Alot of TWC reporters not in snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristowWx Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, snowmagnet said: I was stuck at 32.5 for several hours. Finally around 31 now. It still is raining, but sounds a bit more icy, maybe changing over a bit. Yeah didn’t think this would be much ZR but there are trees hanging down everywhere here. Can’t buy a flake however since about 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notvirga! Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Based on others obs sounds like we’ll go back to sleet here too before too long. Fingers crossed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeesburgWx Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Sounds like pouring rain in the summer outside but it is sleet. Not sure the changeover to snow will happen in tile. Back edge is approaching very fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDweatherman Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, jayyy said: That ULL catches the coastal quick enough and I think our area sees an additional 3” or so You’d think with almost all models hitting on that now at <6 hrs lead time, we should get a couple inches... and it would dump pretty good with the ULL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, ldub23 said: Seems like the dry slot and warm nose always goes further north and west than expected. Alot of TWC reporters not in snow. yeah sadly funny thing is some one called me out saying i was lying about the dry slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 It’s a sleet blizzard (slizzard?) outside. Germantown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos_I_Am Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, A777 said: Heavy sleet in NW Rockville Can confirm near town center. Pingers rattling on the window. Can we squeeze some snow to cover the sidewalks after the tropical downpours earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caviman2201 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Something I'm not understanding... maybe someone smart can explain it to me. According to SPC Mesoanalysis, the SLP has basically taken a perfect track - the kind of track that had models spitting out ridiculous totals for us even along I95. The models (at least the runs over the past 24h) seemed to have nailed the event for I95 - quick thump, quick changeover, rain rest of the event, 1-3". What I'm not understanding is that the models came to that conclusion based on an SLP that tracked basically right over Delmarva. The SLP didn't do that - its at least 25-50 miles east of all guidance but we still ended up with the same result. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlanticweather Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Flipping now. 2020_12_16_21_43_36.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolz1 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Mod snow...large flakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattie g Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Raining in Burke. Dang...just a little coating to end the day would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimiof2 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Sharpsburg, MD 420' ASL 9:30pm 24 degrees and snowing. It's not pouring but its snowing a good clip. I believe we changed over from sleet about 9pm. I guesstimate we got maybe 1/8 of an inch in sleet accumulation. Hoping that its starts puking snow again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 How did DC and Baltimore do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LP08 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Back down to 32 after a high of 32 in N. Arlington. “Hearing” the rain now so some sleet is in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattie g Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, mattie g said: Raining in Burke. Dang...just a little coating to end the day would be nice. Scratch that - it’s all sleet now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensrule Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, 40/70 Benchmark said: How did DC and Baltimore do? DC got about an inch and Baltimore got between 2-3.5” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWC Split Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: How did DC and Baltimore do? Hopefully you get as much snow as DC and Baltimore did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: How did DC and Baltimore do? 12" lollies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, DDweatherman said: And as @psuhoffman said the NAM was out, it throws us some snow tonight on the 0z. I wrote that up before any 0z guidance came out...the 12k did jump on board...not to the extent of the euro and rgem/hrdps but a significant move to that camp. The 3k still wants none of it. It took a tiny step, it sees it now...but it develops the banding to our northeast in PA. That is very possible...but so is the euro idea...or anything in between. The 12k NAM is also warmer...more of if would be mix...but that is a function of it not developing as robust a banding signature to cool the column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDphotog Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, LP08 said: I have family in Scranton, they have travel emergency notices going to their phones. I hope to be getting pics tomorrow morning. I can believe it, check out google maps traffic, that is a lot of interstate closures in that area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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