electricmanscott Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Dudsville here in N Worcester. 5 inches around 2 when I got home and plowed. Barely a couple more since. Lost power for a while though. Hovering at 32 33. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, jm1220 said: DT was right, kudos deserved for him. I was thinking in terms of how these storms often go for New England with a colder airmass. I guess this airmass really is that lame. We all said toss 10:1. But those maps showing 3” at ORH were garbage too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I am a bit surprised we didn’t see thunder snow in more spots. I agree with Scott that a little more antecedent airmass would have helped tighten up that ML Fronto. Then again, like Tip said, with a colder airmass oozing in, this storm is probably hitting the Grand Banks instead, lol. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 4.5” of slime. No power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 The weatherbell maps are awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, wdrag said: Thanks... not seeing any reports of this. Unsure whether BOX has the reports, or they're short staffed? Thank you for this! Here Walt, I measured this about an hour ago 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2" here in Methuen S- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJO812 said: The weatherbell maps are awful Told you guys that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Told you guys that. Me ? I post the Stormvista maps all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, MJO812 said: Me ? I post the Stormvista maps all the time. Collective ...I said "you guys"... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Told you guys that. Outside of a narrow zone from Kevin to will to Dave... those Eurowx maps were much closer to reality than anything else. Not even close really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXWX Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, wdrag said: Thanks... not seeing any reports of this. Unsure whether BOX has the reports, or they're short staffed? Thank you for this! Hey Walt; crazy variation across western Hartford County; only a slushy cover at my old location at 300', our current location 3.5" at 700' - meanwhile at under-construction new house at 1140' measured 6.0"... Hope you are well; talk soon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Me ? I post the Stormvista maps all the time. Clown maps in general are terrible and function as eye candy really. But the models were really blowing up a good CCB starting from NYC on NE, which I guess happened but wasn't enough to really overcome the mild air. The NAM especially and even some Euro runs were turning my backyard over to a period of heavy snow enough to accumulate maybe 1-3" which I didn't believe, but maybe that was something of a warning when it didn't pan out and my area couldn't manage more than some white rain, R/S mix. GFS is usually too warm at the surface but maybe it verified better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Clowns like clown maps.... It can't be helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, FXWX said: Hey Walt; crazy variation across western Hartford County; only a slushy cover at my old location at 300', our current location 3.5" at 700' - meanwhile at under-construction new house at 1140' measured 6.0"... Hope you are well; talk soon. Thanks John... helpful! Hope NWS has the reports other than your 3.5. Talk soon. Walt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deck Pic Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Eustis Maine. +SN, 31. 4.5” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said: Collective ...I said "you guys"... But I have been burned many times by the Weatherbell maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, MJO812 said: But I have been burned many times by the Weatherbell maps. We tried to tell you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Just now, MJO812 said: But I have been burned many times by the Weatherbell maps. I'm waiting still for the 47" the NAM promised me for Nemo Feb 2013. And the worst is when the news networks start showing them, I remember Janice Huff on NBC4 showing one of those insane NAM runs that gave Central Park 30" (Central Park ended up with 12" I believe), and then people panicked and swarmed the gas stations again like after Sandy. I think the news stations are a little better with this now but not much. Sensationalism sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78Blizzard Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 This was not an auspicious start to our meteorological winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, CoastalWx said: It’s a garbage airmass. That’s why I was sort of meh. It's impressive that ORH at 1,000ft on December 5th, ripped off 1.14" of water in a 6-hour period at H85 temps below 0C and didn't hit 32F... all the obs are 33-34F. That's an average of 0.20"/hr pretty much at sub-freezing temps a few thousand feet above them and still couldn't hit a true 32F. I figured they'd be down at like 30F ripping snow with those precip rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Just now, powderfreak said: It's impressive that ORH at 1,000ft on December 5th, ripped off 1.14" of water in a 6-hour period at H85 temps below 0C and didn't hit 32F... all the obs are 33-34F. That's an average of 0.20"/hr pretty much at sub-freezing temps a few thousand feet above them and still couldn't hit a true 32F. I figured they'd be down at like 30F ripping snow with those precip rates. Oh absolutely. That's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Looking back: Original post Tue... too slow by 12 hours and no freezing rain. Rest OK. Had general 0.3-0.9" rainfall se NYS, ~1/2"extreme nw NJ otherwise widespread 1-2" there in NJ, also LI and CT. Will post complete CoCoRAHS summary qpf and snowfall tomorrow, around 1PM. This morning's expectations (my own): Wind gusts were 5 knots less than expected, no Thunder occurred. ECMWF Kuchera and all 10 to 1 ratios I think in general were too high especially valleys. I think snow ratios need to be taken into account when thinking of amounts. Accordingly power outages not as high as expected from combined snow and wind or wind alone. None of these elevation snows are easy: Other than the one day of extreme west modeling solutions, the overall modeling guided the main impact areas pretty good... For our NYC forum..a routine event, with knowledge that this is the fourth decent storm in the past 3 weeks (Nov 11-15, Nov 30, Dec 5). 752P/5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Looking back... GFS actually looks like it may have had the most accurate progs. Check out 0z run 12/5 was very close to reality. NAM / Euro under-weighed the low level warmth, and also were too dynamic... including runs yesterday and 0z 12/5 right up to gametime. RGEM atrocious, furnace and was still more wrong than the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, wdrag said: Looking back: Original post Tue... too slow by 12 hours and no freezing rain. Rest OK. Had general 0.3-0.9" rainfall se NYS, ~1/2"extreme nw NJ otherwise widespread 1-2" there in NJ, also LI and CT. Will post complete CoCoRAHS summary qpf and snowfall tomorrow, around 1PM. This morning:'s expectations: Wind gusts were 5 knots less than expected, no Thunder occurred. ECMWF Kuchera and all 10 to 1 ratios I think in general were too high especially valleys. I think snow ratios need to be taken into account when thinking of amounts. Accordingly power outages not as high as expected from combined snow and wind or wind alone. None of these elevation snows are easy: Other than the one day of extreme west modeling solutions, the overall modeling guided the main impact areas pretty good... For our NYC forum..a routine event, with knowledge that this is the fourth decent storm in the past 3 weeks (Nov 11-15, Nov 30, Dec 5). 752P/5 Yep, went about as expected in our sub-forum area. Thanks for the detailed analysis as always. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXWX Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, wdrag said: Thanks John... helpful! Hope NWS has the reports other than your 3.5. Talk soon. Walt I sent overall all 3 with amounts and elevations; right now only 3.5 listed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 minute ago, FXWX said: I sent overall all 3 with amounts and elevations; right now only 3.5 listed... Noticed...must be a staffing problem or some other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomNH Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Back to rain. More sloppy plowable than memorable but hey it was fun to watch it rip drinking beers downtown this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdrag Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Here Walt, I measured this about an hour ago Presume that is 9.8? Thanks... I like the 7 to 1 snow ratio. NWS and/or others may analyze differently but for SNE it seems ballpark to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 1 hour ago, stormtracker said: Power destroyed. About 3.5” here. Waiting for the heavies. About the same depth here, not quite the morning forecast of 12-18 nor the midstream update to 8-12, as the good bands refused to come more than about 5 miles NW of I-95. Heavy precip now is downeast, but probably RA/mix within 30 miles of salt water. Many flickers here and 7-8 full blacks - only for 1-2 seconds, not enough to start the gennie but plenty to foul up computers and TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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