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11 hours ago, uncle W said:

greatest Sunday-Monday storms I've lived through...

3/18-19/1956....11.6"...Sunday afternoon through Monday afternoon...

12/11-12/1960..15.2"...Sunday afternoon to Monday afternoon...

1/12-14/1964....12.5"...Sunday evening to early Tue. morn...

2/9-10/1969.......15.3"...early Sunday Morning to early Mon Morning...

2/6-7/1978.........17.7"...just after midnight early Monday morning to Tue afternoon...

2/19/1979..........12.7"...early Monday morning to Monday afternoon...

1/7-8/1996.........20.2"...Sunday morning to Mon afternoon...

2/16-17/2003.....19.8"...Sunday afternoon to early Tue morn...

12/26-27/2010...20.0"...Sunday before noon to early Mon morn...

1/31-2/3 2021....17.4"...late Sunday night to early Wed...

the blizzard of 1888 was a Sunday-Monday storm,,,same as the blizzard of 1899...

 

 

 

wow this includes some of our all time classics

are these also considered the most disruptive to traffic and moving around because of occurring on those days?

in comparison to storms like Feb 1983 and Jan 2016 which ended before the weekend did

 

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Living in a place like this must be a real experience during high wind events.

https://dnyuz.com/2021/02/03/the-down-side-to-life-in-a-supertall-tower-leaks-creaks-breaks/

Many of the mechanical issues cited at 432 Park are occurring at other supertall residential towers, according to several engineers who have worked on the buildings.

All buildings sway in the wind, but at exceptional heights, those forces are stronger. A management email explained that “a high-wind condition” stopped an elevator and caused a resident to be “entrapped” on the evening of Oct. 31, 2019 for 1 hour and 25 minutes. Wind sway can cause the cables in the elevator shaft to slap around and lead to slowdowns or shutdowns, according to an engineer who asked not to be named, because he has worked on other towers in New York with similar issues.

One of the most common complaints in supertall buildings is noise, said Luke Leung, a director at the architectural firm Skidmore, Owings and Merrill. He has heard metal partitions between walls groan as buildings sway, and the ghostly whistle of rushing air in doorways and elevator shafts.

 

I’m not a structural engineer, but how can this come to a surprise to anyone anywhere? I read this and love how people are shocked - SHOCKED! - that physics rears it’s ugly head when you’re over a thousand feet off the ground on a coastal plain.


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13 minutes ago, North and West said:


I’m not a structural engineer, but how can this come to a surprise to anyone anywhere? I read this and love how people are shocked - SHOCKED! - that physics rears it’s ugly head when you’re over a thousand feet off the ground on a coastal plain.


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Supertall buildings have been built for years.

It is not a new thing.

Harry Macklowe is a life long Manhattan developer. 

There is a great book on him and Trump and the GM Building called Liars Ball.

 

Long story short, he knows what he is doing. If the building is falling apart, he knowingly built on the cheap

 

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1 hour ago, jfklganyc said:

Supertall buildings have been built for years.

It is not a new thing.

Harry Macklowe is a life long Manhattan developer. 

There is a great book on him and Trump and the GM Building called Liars Ball.

 

Long story short, he knows what he is doing. If the building is falling apart, he knowingly built on the cheap

 

Good to know; I will check out that book. Always find readings like that fascinating. 

As for the mechanical resonance, I'm just thinking of the slender structure. It seems like it would be prone to it. 

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On 2/3/2021 at 8:18 PM, bluewave said:

Living in a place like this must be a real experience during high wind events.

https://dnyuz.com/2021/02/03/the-down-side-to-life-in-a-supertall-tower-leaks-creaks-breaks/

Many of the mechanical issues cited at 432 Park are occurring at other supertall residential towers, according to several engineers who have worked on the buildings.

All buildings sway in the wind, but at exceptional heights, those forces are stronger. A management email explained that “a high-wind condition” stopped an elevator and caused a resident to be “entrapped” on the evening of Oct. 31, 2019 for 1 hour and 25 minutes. Wind sway can cause the cables in the elevator shaft to slap around and lead to slowdowns or shutdowns, according to an engineer who asked not to be named, because he has worked on other towers in New York with similar issues.

One of the most common complaints in supertall buildings is noise, said Luke Leung, a director at the architectural firm Skidmore, Owings and Merrill. He has heard metal partitions between walls groan as buildings sway, and the ghostly whistle of rushing air in doorways and elevator shafts.

 

I get motion sickness if I’m high up in a building for too long. 

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6 hours ago, jfklganyc said:

Supertall buildings have been built for years.

It is not a new thing.

Harry Macklowe is a life long Manhattan developer. 

There is a great book on him and Trump and the GM Building called Liars Ball.

 

Long story short, he knows what he is doing. If the building is falling apart, he knowingly built on the cheap

 

Man I would not want to be living up top on a cheaply built 90 story building!

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12 hours ago, jfklganyc said:

Supertall buildings have been built for years.

It is not a new thing.

Harry Macklowe is a life long Manhattan developer. 

There is a great book on him and Trump and the GM Building called Liars Ball.

 

Long story short, he knows what he is doing. If the building is falling apart, he knowingly built on the cheap

 

These super tall buildings are a real eyesore.  They are rectangular and just look ugly and completely changed the classic NYC skyline (9/11 did that too.)

 

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12 hours ago, rclab said:

Karma for the Uber rich? As always ......

The super premium super tall apartments are mostly empty, owned by absent individuals to serve as a pied a terre on visits and as a safe stash of funds.

Not so many actually live there, so NYC gets eyesores that don't even give much back economically to the community. 

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39 minutes ago, rclab said:

Good Morning BW. Are the extremes in depth due to SST’s in combination with elevated terrain and the continental landmass to the west or from a regular storm cycle? As always ....

Yeah, a more extreme version this year of all you mentioned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/12/18/japan-snow-stranded-motorists/

The episode was caused by “ocean-effect snow,” similar in dynamics to lake-effect precipitation that frequents the shores of the Great Lakes. A frigid air mass blowing from the northwest over much warmer waters, in this case between 55 and 60 degrees (12.8 to 15.6 Celsius), allowed heat and moisture from the Sea of Japan to be transported inland in the form of heavy snow.

 

Japan’s high terrain helped focus moisture, too, concentrating it on the upslope, or windward side, of the mountains. That meant snow could fall for days at a time unimpeded, the wintry blast maintained so long as the wind fetch remained from the northwest.

Japan’s climate routinely favors hefty snowfall in the mountains. Arctic wintertime cold fronts from Siberia surge south across northeast China and the Korean Peninsula, arriving in Japan after passing over the adjacent sea. The Sea of Japan is kept mild by the Kuroshio Current, akin to the Gulf Stream; a branch of it, called the Tsushima Current, meanders west of the Japanese island chain.

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20 minutes ago, etudiant said:

The super premium super tall apartments are mostly empty, owned by absent individuals to serve as a pied a terre on visits and as a safe stash of funds.

Not so many actually live there, so NYC gets eyesores that don't even give much back economically to the community. 

Those who are working hard and honestly need more and should be accommodated. Many who, through hard work, have achieved economic greatness do follow philanthropic pursuits. Somehow the simple  formula never seems to balance. The cost of one of those eyesores could fund an extensive first time and secure housing complex with  training and education available for technical certifications. Eventually those skills would  give the individual, partners or families the ability, if desired, to expand and grow within their own dreams with security. They’d also be paying taxes. Being remembered for such an achievement would certainly outshine an eyesore still standing after your gone. Yee, I know, ‘rose colored glasses’, ‘once upon a time’ “take a sip of reality, old timer”. I still can dream. As always ....

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28 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, a more extreme version this year of all you mentioned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/12/18/japan-snow-stranded-motorists/

The episode was caused by “ocean-effect snow,” similar in dynamics to lake-effect precipitation that frequents the shores of the Great Lakes. A frigid air mass blowing from the northwest over much warmer waters, in this case between 55 and 60 degrees (12.8 to 15.6 Celsius), allowed heat and moisture from the Sea of Japan to be transported inland in the form of heavy snow.

 

Japan’s high terrain helped focus moisture, too, concentrating it on the upslope, or windward side, of the mountains. That meant snow could fall for days at a time unimpeded, the wintry blast maintained so long as the wind fetch remained from the northwest.

Japan’s climate routinely favors hefty snowfall in the mountains. Arctic wintertime cold fronts from Siberia surge south across northeast China and the Korean Peninsula, arriving in Japan after passing over the adjacent sea. The Sea of Japan is kept mild by the Kuroshio Current, akin to the Gulf Stream; a branch of it, called the Tsushima Current, meanders west of the Japanese island chain.

That certainly answered my question of how an inland sea, instead of the Mississippi, could have effected our climate. As always ....

 

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