The Iceman Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 1:53 PM, Ralph Wiggum said: Yeah, I'm not sure why all the pessimism. Maybe it is the futility we've endured the past few years? Impatience? Or do they know something we don't? Hmmmm. Nothing has changed. Current blocking/ridging still in the AO/NAO thru the end of the weeklies. -NAM state looks to continue. Colder air finally on the slow ooooze toward the pole and eventually into our source region. We are only 6 days into January guys...not March. Expand I think it's a combination of futility, the Dec. 17th storm going from 95 MECS to SECS last minute, and the fact the pattern has been somewhat of a tease I think are all leading to frustration but I agree that things are looking rocking for the 2nd half of Jan. Seem's like the clipper train opens up and possibly we can get in on some miller B action. Should be fun times ahead and the build up of cold air in the long range combined with the continuation of arctic blocking is very promising. I still think the 12th bears watching too still. Just have to get through this week and we should be tracking threats for the forseeable future imo get some rest... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 31f with clear skies, We might actually see the sun today? Thoughts on the 12-13th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 With everything going on, I forgot that today is the 25th anniversary of the greatest snowstorm of my childhood. If you'd like to relive it with me, I put all the TV footage I recorded then on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-9RwNUuaYM&list=PLsKEUOGm0GB4tDPkhigFpNa8pdH0BiZyg 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 3:43 PM, famartin said: With everything going on, I forgot that today is the 25th anniversary of the greatest snowstorm of my childhood. If you'd like to relive it with me, I put all the TV footage I recorded then on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-9RwNUuaYM&list=PLsKEUOGm0GB4tDPkhigFpNa8pdH0BiZyg Expand Awesome, Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 3:43 PM, famartin said: With everything going on, I forgot that today is the 25th anniversary of the greatest snowstorm of my childhood. If you'd like to relive it with me, I put all the TV footage I recorded then on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-9RwNUuaYM&list=PLsKEUOGm0GB4tDPkhigFpNa8pdH0BiZyg Expand Thanks for sharing. I still love going through your winter storm archive. One of my favorite winter weather sites. Any chance you'll find the time to update it again? If it's something you're interested in at all, I wouldn't mind helping either since I know it's got to be a lot of work putting all the maps together. It's an awesome resource to relive the past winter storms . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 3:51 PM, The Iceman said: Thanks for sharing. I still love going through your winter storm archive. One of my favorite winter weather sites. Any chance you'll find the time to update it again? If it's something you're interested in at all, I wouldn't mind helping either since I know it's got to be a lot of work putting all the maps together. It's an awesome resource to relive the past winter storms . Expand I've been concentrating on other things the last several years. I still keep close tabs and save materials, I just haven't assembled anything in quite a few years. I suspect that at some point, my focus will shift back towards it... I just can't say when, yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Even famartin the legend gets a greenskeeper weenie lol Let's hope he got kraut and the good spicy mustard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Well all the models at 12z backed off on the 12th threat but still a lot of time and with the amount of s/w's on the field, any solution is far from locked outside 2-3 days. Though it's pretty remarkable that the 8th storm locked as a suppression storm from like 7 days out we won't see that consistency the rest of winter... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 6:47 PM, The Iceman said: Well all the models at 12z backed off on the 12th threat but still a lot of time and with the amount of s/w's on the field, any solution is far from locked outside 2-3 days. Though it's pretty remarkable that the 8th storm locked as a suppression storm from like 7 days out we won't see that consistency the rest of winter... Expand Hard to say if this is a suppression issue or bad timing with the northern stream. We all about needing good timing like what happened in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 6:47 PM, The Iceman said: Well all the models at 12z backed off on the 12th threat but still a lot of time and with the amount of s/w's on the field, any solution is far from locked outside 2-3 days. Though it's pretty remarkable that the 8th storm locked as a suppression storm from like 7 days out we won't see that consistency the rest of winter... Expand Don't look at the GEFS long range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 7:00 PM, Ralph Wiggum said: Don't look at the GEFS long range Expand If it's going to be cold and dry now then I want early spring warmth after groundhog day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 7:00 PM, Ralph Wiggum said: Don't look at the GEFS long range Expand Still a decent signal for the 12th at least so all is not lost there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTA66 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 The "good" pattern was always supposed to occur after the 15th. I'll give it until next weekend to see how things are shaping up. If we're still waiting another 10-15 days for the epic 1996 redux pattern or, not the next storm or the next storm, but the storm after the next storm, I'll go full out Ji! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 8:29 PM, JTA66 said: The "good" pattern was always supposed to occur after the 15th. I'll give it until next weekend to see how things are shaping up. If we're still waiting another 10-15 days for the epic 1996 redux pattern or, not the next storm or the next storm, but the storm after the next storm, I'll go full out Ji! Expand The 15th is an excellent date to cancel/continue winter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 8:29 PM, JTA66 said: The "good" pattern was always supposed to occur after the 15th. I'll give it until next weekend to see how things are shaping up. If we're still waiting another 10-15 days for the epic 1996 redux pattern or, not the next storm or the next storm, but the storm after the next storm, I'll go full out Ji! Expand I seriously may consider turning into a "severe weather guy" rather than a "snow guy".Tracking snow takes so much time and 80%+ of the time you will be disappointed. With severe weather you know when a cold front is coming through/instability....check the radar usually around mid afternoon, hope for red echoes developing and you're good to go. Sit back and enjoy...none of that 10 day out shit only to get screwed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 10:17 PM, Birds~69 said: I seriously may consider turning into a "severe weather guy" rather than a "snow guy".Tracking snow takes so much time and 80%+ of the time you will be disappointed. With severe weather you know when a cold front is coming through/instability....check the radar usually around mid afternoon, hope for red echoes developing and you're good to go. Sit back and enjoy...none of that 10 day out shit only to get screwed. Expand There is no way out you have a permanent condition sorry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 10:59 PM, RedSky said: There is no way out you have a permanent condition sorry Expand Yeah, I think the only thing that will help me is old age and memory loss. Winter will fly by without me even knowing it...I'll be too busy outside yelling at kids to get the hell off my lawn. 34F 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 11:17 PM, Birds~69 said: Yeah, I think the only thing that will help me is old age and memory. Winter will fly by without me even knowing it...I'll be too busy outside yelling at kids to get the hell off my lawn. 34F Expand It will be too late because while you were napping they made fresh tracks in your pristine freshly fallen snowy landscape. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 The SSW did it's thing already as Beijing recorded a -3.3F it's lowest temperature since 1966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 It's funny ya know? We can backup into some fluke mid-Dec snow event that shouldn't even have happened given the pattern and historic climatology, yet with almost every teleconnection in a favorable spot headed into the 2nd week of January we cant even muster a flake. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Looks like we are now through the 20th of January with no support for snow. Need to start looking at February for a pattern change with a cold funnel from the north to produce 1 or 2 decent events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 3:38 AM, RedSky said: The SSW did it's thing already as Beijing recorded a -3.3F it's lowest temperature since 1966 Expand Impressive..it’s been so warm in my area, I can literally wear shorts in the afternoon and a solid sweatshirt to walk the dogs. Sorta feels like a Richmond Virginia winter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penndotguy Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 headed towards the second week in January and I have that sinking feeling that much like last few winters where we chased the the ever elusive 10 day storm and epic pattern change only to never have it materialize could be once again happening, 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 10:37 AM, Animal said: Impressive..it’s been so warm in my area, I can literally wear shorts in the afternoon and a solid sweatshirt to walk the dogs. Sorta feels like a Richmond Virginia winter. Expand What???? OMG, and to think I go outside and freeze and shiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 What a waste of a negative NAO and AO . This is why people shouldn't hype anything in the long range until things get closer.. Hopefully we all cash in soon. This is ridiculous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTA66 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Reading the MA forum this morning, sounds like our window may be closing. If we don't score a HECS on Jan 29th between 1-5pm, it's over. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iceman Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I'm still not giving up on the 12th yet. Will it most likely fail? yes but still some uncertainty there. I'm going to go a bit weenie to show why I'm still interested but here it goes. The closest model that brings a storm so far is the 12z CMC. It ends up phasing the N stream but just a bit too late. However, take a look at the NAM and RGEM and that piece of energy that phases too late on the CMC is further SE at 84H. Also the GFS doesn't even have that piece of energy Will need some really lucky timing for this one to work out but I don't think the threat is dead, yet. I'll give it until Saturday 00z probably before throwing in the towel. If it does end up sliding harmlessly out to see this would be back to back threats the models sniffed out 8 days in advance and didn't budge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 12:56 PM, Voyager said: What???? OMG, and to think I go outside and freeze and shiver. Expand I go out with thermals and two pair of wool socks, sherpa hoodies etc. and I freeze, I will have to move to the equator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birds~69 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 5:14 PM, RedSky said: I go out with thermals and two pair of wool socks, sherpa hoodies etc. and I freeze, I will have to move to the equator Expand I haven't had this problem yet but it's called getting old. Didn't you ever go into your parents/grandparents house when you were younger and you thought to yourself, "It's hot as shit in here!"..... 36F/Cloudy 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTA66 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 6:28 PM, Birds~69 said: I haven't had this problem yet but it's called getting old. Didn't you ever go into your parents/grandparents house when you were younger and you thought to yourself, "It's hot as shit in here!"..... 36F/Cloudy Expand I get so jealous seeing seniors walking around during a heat wave wearing sweaters while I'm walking around panting like a mutt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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