Brian5671 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, MJO812 said: Hopefully we will as this month goes on Canada has been warm-that will take awhile to reverse-need cross polar flow or something to bring in the cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Brian5671 said: Canada has been warm-that will take awhile to reverse-need cross polar flow or something to bring in the cold The TPV is moving into Canada. It will get cold. That’s a positive for us moving forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem81 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Allsnow said: -nao/-ao and we cant get cold lol Does Anyone have links to the EURO tellies? Would like to see what the real model has to say about the NAO, AO, PNA and EPO moving forward.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brian5671 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Allsnow said: The TPV is moving into Canada. It will get cold. That’s a positive for us moving forward yeah, that will do it too. Right now we'd just be trapping stale Pacific air/modified polar air 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Gorilla Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 MJO progressing to more favorable territory will help, fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 that's barely a -nao. the ridging is focused in western russia/eastern europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 41 minutes ago, bluewave said: Yeah, it looks like we are finally going to get an actual -NAO in December. But the +EPO vortex makes the Pacific unfavorable for us here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 there was a SSW in jan 2012 too... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 the pattern is not that great but not as bad as it could be... the game starts for me in two weeks...anything before that is an exhibition unless its something like Dec 12th 1960... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, forkyfork said: there was a SSW in jan 2012 too... Which led to a massive cold outbreak across Europe in February. We got the short end of the stick though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, jfklganyc said: That is one hearty tomato plant! You should save the seeds from that thing! 28F 2 hours ago, STORMANLI said: Snow grains 29° My broccoli mocks me as well My postage stamp backyard seems to magnify the background UHI effect. There is still a clutch of red fruit almost hidden. My enterprising bushy tailed urban tree rats never got to them. Good idea with the seeds. I’d plant them in my old carcass if I thought it would work. I should have mentioned I have an egg plant still trying to flower. Its much more polite than the tomato. Broccoli, I can understand, especially after eating. You definitely end up getting loud but certainly not sociable. As always.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, rclab said: My postage stamp backyard seems to magnify the background UHI effect. There is still a clutch of red fruit almost hidden. My enterprising bushy tailed urban tree rats never got to them. Good idea with the seeds. I’d plant them in my old carcass if I thought it would work. I should have mentioned I have an egg plant still trying to flower. Its much more polite than the tomato. Broccoli, I can understand, especially after eating. You definitely end up getting loud but certainly not sociable. As always.... I had a back yard like that in Brooklyn that was facing SW...the house was painted white which magified the Sun in the afternoon...not to mention the reflection from the windows...you have to add on a few degrees on average for that and it made the growing season a little longer there... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Models starting to catch on to the vortex getting attacked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, uncle W said: the pattern is not that great but not as bad as it could be... the game starts for me in two weeks...anything before that is an exhibition unless its something like Dec 12th 1960... How were some of the 60's and 70s Nina's/Nino's in NYC/Long Island? Everybody seems to refer to these decades as some sort of golden age for winter lovers. There were a couple good winters up here in that time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Torch said: So why do we put so much emphasis on both these induces? Great question! I will take a good pacific over anything else. We would drool over a -ao/-nao/+pna pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, Snowstorms said: How were some of the 60's and 70s Nina's/Nino's in NYC/Long Island? Everybody seems to refer to these decades as some sort of golden age for winter lovers. There were a couple good winters up here in that time frame. it wasn't bad for the driest period on record...it was a colder era which helps...Newark had at least 2" of snow on the ground Christmas morning from 1959-1963...If you use Dec 21st add in 1964... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Yeah, it looks like we are finally going to get an actual -NAO in December. But the +EPO vortex makes the Pacific unfavorable for us here. Yep, people are hyping a -NAO/-AO, they do you no good when you have a +EPO pumping PAC puke into Canada, all the -NAO does is capture the puke under the block....useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Yep, people are hyping a -NAO/-AO, they do you no good when you have a +EPO pumping PAC puke into Canada, all the -NAO does is capture the puke under the block....useless The Pacific is much more important for cold & snow than the Atlantic, that's always been the case. I'd rather have a -EPO/+PNA with a +AO/NAO. However having a -AO/NAO at least gives an accidental chance of getting snow even if the Pacific is garbage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Yep, people are hyping a -NAO/-AO, they do you no good when you have a +EPO pumping PAC puke into Canada, all the -NAO does is capture the puke under the block....useless I see nobody hyping it in here. If anything, you said a -nao wasn’t coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, SnoSki14 said: The Pacific is much more important for cold & snow than the Atlantic, that's always been the case. However having a -AO/NAO at least gives an accidental chance of getting snow even if the Pacific is garbage. This. We have a better chance of getting lucky instead of no chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-LI Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 I know so far things have been boring, but do we really need to be posting GFS maps 240 hours out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: I see nobody hyping it in here. If anything, you said a -nao wasn’t coming I didn’t say it was people in here. Please don’t get defensive, take a look at the twitter hype, hence why I said “people” and the -NAO depicted is a meh east-based one. I still seriously any sustained west-based Greenland blocked -NAO, I won’t believe it until it happens, not mirages on long range modeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: This. We have a better chance of getting lucky instead of no chance The Dec 13-20 could give us something. Like a SWFE with a late coastal transfer, SNE is in a better position than us of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 As long as the PAC isn't total hot garbage, we can cash in with a decent ATL look (which'd be a welcome return after years of awfulness). That said, those PAC-dominated winters of 13-14 and 14-15 were among my favorites. The only time I've experienced single-digit snow in the tri-state area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eduardo said: As long as the PAC isn't total hot garbage, we can cash in with a decent ATL look (which'd be a welcome return after years of awfulness). That said, those PAC-dominated winters of 13-14 and 14-15 were among my favorites. The only time I've experienced single-digit snow in the tri-state area. Brutal cold that just kept reloading and reloading....2 great winters except the dry March of '15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: Brutal cold that just kept reloading and reloading....2 great winters except the dry March of '15 you want brutal cold try 1994 in the midwest you wont see cold like that again barring some event like a super volcano eruption.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Yep, people are hyping a -NAO/-AO, they do you no good when you have a +EPO pumping PAC puke into Canada, all the -NAO does is capture the puke under the block....useless You need some sort of ridging in the Pacific especially for you guys before Atlantic blocking. +EPO is bad for all of us. It's 43F in Winnipeg today, more than 20 degrees above average. That's the last thing any of us need for snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, bluewave said: It’s the type of pattern that could work for New England. This pattern isn't bad except for the positive epo. We just saw the gfs go from a cutter at 6z to a coastal at 12z even though it was warm. Many people have said mid December will be our best shot. Lets hope that's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduardo Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: Brutal cold that just kept reloading and reloading....2 great winters except the dry March of '15 Full-on tundra! Not sure I'll see that again in my lifetime here. I took special care to cherish those winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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