uncle W Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 some real dud winters had a little snow the first week in December including last year then have a dry spell until February...1949-50 and 2007-08 come to mind...2005-06 too but snowfall was heavier esp;ecially in Feb...its nice to see this year has some hope and I hope it lasts thru New Years day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Weeklies looks real interesting for the start of December into mid month. +pna/-nao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Weeklies looks real interesting for the start of December into mid month. +pna/-nao blocking would be great as long as there's some decent arctic air to lock in.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 5 hours ago, bluewave said: It’s ridiculous how strong the SPV is in both hemispheres right now. Good. Hopefully this means it will weaken for the second half of the winter. Last winter it was real weak at this time and gain strength at the end of December 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravity Wave Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 hours ago, MJO812 said: Lets get that ULL further east depicted on the gfs and let the games begin. Pattern should become more favorable as we get into December. Hopefully we can cash in. Last December storm was terrible here in the city . The last storm that was good at all in the city was March 21, 2018, or January 4, 2018 depending on how you feel about temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, Brian5671 said: blocking would be great as long as there's some decent arctic air to lock in.... I think initially it will be a issue but hope is changes around mid month. Remember Canada’s above avg is below here as we get deeper into December 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Weeklies looks real interesting for the start of December into mid month. +pna/-nao Not La Nina like 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, MJO812 said: Not La Nina like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Wow nice look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Allsnow said: I think initially it will be a issue but hope is changes around mid month. Remember Canada’s above avg is below here as we get deeper into December That's why I'm hoping the pattern delays a bit-12/10- to 12/30 would be bit better.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Rex block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, bluewave said: These early December +PNA spikes have favored the interior and higher elevation SE and MA for the heaviest snows. I can remember reading the tweets with the big December 2018 +PNA snow in NC. That one had more cold to work with than this year coming off the cold November in the East and more -EPO. Its hard to get an all out snowstorm in early December on the coast without cold air but its doable. Even the Dec 2009 storm had issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossbowftw3 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Rex block? Plausible knowing that every so often the southern states (mainly NC) get a snowstorm, with results never really pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: Wow. Eps is also further east with both lows compared to the op run. The 2nd low has a better chance for producing but this is a nice look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakkelWx Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 hours ago, MJO812 said: Even the Dec 2009 storm had issues. Can you elaborate the issues with the 2009 storm? Curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Allsnow said: Just keeps getting better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, JakkelWx said: Can you elaborate the issues with the 2009 storm? Curious. I remember it being in the low to mid 30s here on the coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Thread is pretty quite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 @Isotherm what do you think is causing this niño response? Mjo with weak convection in P7? Or the warm pool off the west coast? Aleutian low/++pna/-nao is textbook niño December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, MJO812 said: I remember it being in the low to mid 30s here on the coast. Nope it was a cold storm low to mid 20s for the duration 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 @bluewave Here comes the big Niña strengthening period for the end of November and December that the models have been insisting on since early September, they have actually done a great job. A solidly strong La Niña is all but assured now for the 20-21 winter: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, snowman19 said: @bluewave Here comes the big Niña strengthening period for the end of November and December that the models have been insisting on since early September, they have actually done a great job. A solid strong La Niña is all but assured now for the 20-21 winter: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Allsnow said: I speak only to the ENSO forecast, which the models have done an absolutely outstanding job on. They have been insisting on a strong La Niña since August, when everyone and their mother were doubting it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Stormlover74 said: Nope it was a cold storm low to mid 20s for the duration the issue was that we waited for it to snow all day and the heavy snow occurred in the middle of the night when most us were asleep. I HATE THAT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 11/25/2020 at 2:28 AM, LibertyBell said: the issue was that we waited for it to snow all day and the heavy snow occurred in the middle of the night when most us were asleep. I HATE THAT And it was a lot less than we were expecting; like all but one storm that year, the bulk of it happened south of our region. We still wound up with 9-12 or so in some places, but overall it set the tone for the rest of the winter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 21 hours ago, weatherpruf said: And it was a lot less than we were expecting; like all but one storm that year, the bulk of it happened south of our region. We still wound up with 9-12 or so in some places, but overall it set the tone for the rest of the winter. Yeah I like long lasting storms even if the rates are only moderate. Some of our best storms have been like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 5:14 PM, LibertyBell said: Yeah I like long lasting storms even if the rates are only moderate. Some of our best storms have been like that. the blizzard of 1964 was a long cold storm with winds and drifting...the blizzard of 96 was the best one of all...some short storms a foot or more... Feb 67 and Dec 2000...were less than 18 hours...Feb 1983 was another 18 hour storm... . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, uncle W said: the blizzard of 1964 was a long cold storm with winds and drifting...the blizzard of 96 was the best one of all...some short storms a foot or more... Feb 67 and Dec 2000...were less than 18 hours...Feb 1983 was another 18 hour storm... . some of my favorite storms of all time, but I think Jan 2016 tops the list. That infamous Feb 1922 storm would be the best of all time by far if only it was all snow..... Feb 1961 is up there too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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