Baroclinic Zone Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Another season has passed. Time for pumpkin spiced barf and the 1st wood burning stoves of the cool season. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted August 31, 2020 Author Share Posted August 31, 2020 https://www.boston.com/food/restaurants/2020/08/31/the-fours-boston-closing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 5:46 PM, Baroclinic Zone said: https://www.boston.com/food/restaurants/2020/08/31/the-fours-boston-closing Expand I'm guessing 50% of remaining independent bars and restaurants go under this winter. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 2:25 AM, HIPPYVALLEY said: I'm guessing 50% of remaining independent bars and restaurants go under this winter. Sad but true. Expand Restaurant business is a toss up in the best of times. This will be a death blow for many places. You are even seeing a lot of popular places going under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 2:35 AM, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Restaurant business is a toss up in the best of times. This will be a death blow for many places. You are even seeing a lot of popular places going under. Expand This decade is going to be a huge stress on our economy, post pandemic, as automation becomes a bigger factor...vaporizing a good chunk of low wage jobs and accelerating our wealth inequality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 2:35 AM, TauntonBlizzard2013 said: Restaurant business is a toss up in the best of times. This will be a death blow for many places. You are even seeing a lot of popular places going under. Expand Yeah restaurants are like humans with pre-existing conditions... doesn’t take much to push them over the edge. I’m always surprised at how many restaurants that seem “popular” but yet still struggle mightily and even close in normal times. Some areas it seems the restaurants turn over every 5 years if they are independently owned and not an Applebee’s or Olive Garden type chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:05 AM, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: This decade is going to be a huge stress on our economy, post pandemic, as automation becomes a bigger factor...vaporizing a good chunk of low wage jobs and accelerating our wealth inequality. Expand Ya' a good old direct hit from an X class solar flare should level the automation playing field on planet Earth. I mean why not right? DIT and others can wish for a 1938 Hurricane why can't I cheer on a Carrington type event? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 2:25 AM, HIPPYVALLEY said: I'm guessing 50% of remaining independent bars and restaurants go under this winter. Sad but true. Expand Well, 60% don't survive their first year anyway and 80% close within 5 years. But this situation is making things much much worse. My favorite local place closed after 10 years... sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:16 AM, powderfreak said: Yeah restaurants are like humans with pre-existing conditions... doesn’t take much to push them over the edge. I’m always surprised at how many restaurants that seem “popular” but yet still struggle mightily and even close in normal times. Some areas it seems the restaurants turn over every 5 years if they are independently owned and not an Applebee’s or Olive Garden type chain. Expand This is totally different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:05 AM, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: This decade is going to be a huge stress on our economy, post pandemic, as automation becomes a bigger factor...vaporizing a good chunk of low wage jobs and accelerating our wealth inequality. Expand Its definitely time for a total infrastructure overhaul. That will fill the gap with better paying jobs. Now that the military has been reinforced and we have gotten out of endless wars that extra money should be reinvested in our infrastructure. Manufacturing of all the products and labor to install . Positive things can and should happen. We all hope we can turn the corner to better brighter days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted September 1, 2020 Author Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:16 AM, powderfreak said: Yeah restaurants are like humans with pre-existing conditions... doesn’t take much to push them over the edge. I’m always surprised at how many restaurants that seem “popular” but yet still struggle mightily and even close in normal times. Some areas it seems the restaurants turn over every 5 years if they are independently owned and not an Applebee’s or Olive Garden type chain. Expand Chain restaurants are the worst. We're lucky to live in an area of the county where we have a breadth of local family owned restaurants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 met summer is over I cringe to think that within...well probably now gotta start carrying a sweatshirt around or at least have one on when leaving in the morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 11:12 AM, Ginx snewx said: Its definitely time for a total infrastructure overhaul. That will fill the gap with better paying jobs. Now that the military has been reinforced and we have gotten out of endless wars that extra money should be reinvested in our infrastructure. Manufacturing of all the products and labor to install . Positive things can and should happen. We all hope we can turn the corner to better brighter days. Expand Have we? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/world/middleeast/us-troops-deployments.amp.html But I agree with the theory (I’ve been pounding the table to stop wasting tax payer money overseas)...I just don’t trust our government to reduce military spending and re-investing domestically instead. We love to dictate to the world how they should operate but fail take care of our own issues. Big corps, government...it’s the all the same greedy corrupt people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 11:12 AM, Ginx snewx said: Its definitely time for a total infrastructure overhaul. That will fill the gap with better paying jobs. Now that the military has been reinforced and we have gotten out of endless wars that extra money should be reinvested in our infrastructure. Manufacturing of all the products and labor to install . Positive things can and should happen. We all hope we can turn the corner to better brighter days. Expand Overhauling the infrastructure and actually investing in combating climate change are no brainers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 12:46 PM, Chrisrotary12 said: Overhauling the infrastructure and actually investing in combating climate change are no brainers. Expand Apparently that is very difficult for our some of politicians to understand and implement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 12:31 PM, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Have we? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/world/middleeast/us-troops-deployments.amp.html But I agree with the theory (I’ve been pounding the table to stop wasting tax payer money overseas)...I just don’t trust our government to reduce military spending and re-investing domestically instead. We love to dictate to the world how they should operate but fail take care of our own issues. Big corps, government...it’s the all the same greedy corrupt people. Expand Self investment, absolutely. Revised/additional color neutral hat slogan MAGAMA (Make America Great At Manufacturing Again) As always ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 12:59 PM, rclab said: Self investment, absolutely. Revised/additional color neutral hat slogan MAGAMA (Make America Great At Manufacturing Again) As always ..... Expand Only way to do that is by penalizing companies from moving their production plants overseas. Otherwise, what incentive do they have when profit rules the day? Now...add in automation on top of it and it’s lights out. New slogan ‘Made in America...by Machines.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:16 AM, powderfreak said: Yeah restaurants are like humans with pre-existing conditions... doesn’t take much to push them over the edge. I’m always surprised at how many restaurants that seem “popular” but yet still struggle mightily and even close in normal times. Some areas it seems the restaurants turn over every 5 years if they are independently owned and not an Applebee’s or Olive Garden type chain. Expand They have thin margins and require good management. There are many stories of packed restaurants with great reviews that still somehow end up underwater and forced to close because the management was not watching supplies, pay for employees, taxes, fees, etc. It's a very tricky business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianW Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I was looking at the unemployment numbers in New England. Didn't realize how bad it is in VT. Every category has had some pretty big job losses. Leisure and hospitality has a 46.5% job loss compared to July 2019. Construction is down 31.6%. How bad is it up there considering a huge portion of the jobs there are leisure and hospitality? Isn't that sector most of the economy up there? http://www.vtlmi.info/press.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 man...I'm loving how this thread has kicked off. This is some excellent discussion/information. See what happens when y'all can be nice and civil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 12:31 PM, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Have we? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/world/middleeast/us-troops-deployments.amp.html But I agree with the theory (I’ve been pounding the table to stop wasting tax payer money overseas)...I just don’t trust our government to reduce military spending and re-investing domestically instead. We love to dictate to the world how they should operate but fail take care of our own issues. Big corps, government...it’s the all the same greedy corrupt people. Expand 10 19 19? Check again. The world depends on US unfortunately to be oversight. Otherwise there are bad actors ready to pounce. Thats a reality many don't understand but at least we are pulling out of the thousand year tribal wars. I remain confident things will improve step by step. Obviously the world suffered a huge Covid setback and the climb out will take time. Will the USA ever be Utopia, probably not but its better than many alternatives. Much work needs to be done and it starts with jobs and equal opportunity for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 PSA...Don’t forget to vote today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 1:27 PM, BrianW said: I was looking at the unemployment numbers in New England. Didn't realize how bad it is in VT. Every category has had some pretty big job losses. Leisure and hospitality has a 46.5% job loss compared to July 2019. Construction is down 31.6%. How bad is it up there considering a huge portion of the jobs there are leisure and hospitality? Isn't that sector most of the economy up there? http://www.vtlmi.info/press.pdf Expand Awful, some here were saying that once spring was over things would drastically improve. Horrible for VT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:01 PM, NorEastermass128 said: PSA...Don’t forget to vote today. Expand Saw the in person polls in Mass are doing great. No reason not to vote in person at all if you are physically able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Yup no one at all should be mailing in ballots unless they are wanting to aid in potential ballot fraud 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 manufacturing in the US looks completely different than it did 50-75 years ago, on-shoring manufacturing jobs is a political trojan horse IMO. As referenced, highly automated requiring a much higher vocational skill set than was the case two generations ago. Just look at mini-mills As an aside, I have told this story a bunch, skiing a few years back in MWV, probably at wildcat, and struck up with a local machine tool cos. owner who seemed to have a nice success business. Told me he was paying a competitive hourly wage, guaranteeing 10 hours of OT minimally a week, plus full benefits including savings plan and he couldn't find help b/c job applicants couldn't pass the urine test. He had got to the point where he was interviewing, asking them point blank their habits, suggesting they stay clean for a month and come back and they had a job...none of them ever showed back up. I was relating this story to a friend who runs HR for a big cos. in NH lakes region, they confirmed saying they had recommended no drug test due to lack of applicants. A big issue in our economy is the mismatch of skills. Want to have a job, become a certified welder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:19 PM, Angus said: manufacturing in the US looks completely different than it did 50-75 years ago, on-shoring manufacturing jobs is a political trojan horse IMO. As referenced, highly automated requiring a much higher vocational skill set than was the case two generations ago. Just look at mini-mills As an aside, I have told this story a bunch, skiing a few years back in MWV, probably at wildcat, and struck up with a local machine tool cos. owner who seemed to have a nice success business. Told me he was paying a competitive hourly wage, guaranteeing 10 hours of OT minimally a week, plus full benefits including savings plan and he couldn't find help b/c job applicants couldn't pass the urine test. He had got to the point where he was interviewing, asking them point blank their habits, suggesting they stay clean for a month and come back and they had a job...none of them ever showed back up. I was relating this story to a friend who runs HR for a big cos. in NH lakes region, they confirmed saying they had recommended no drug test due to lack of applicants. A big issue in our economy is the mismatch of skills. Want to have a job, become a certified welder. Expand There is plenty of work out there, you just have to want to do it. Many don't. A lot of kids from the middle class don't even work in HS anymore. When I was in HS, we all worked part-time jobs. You had to make money somehow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 1:12 PM, PhineasC said: They have thin margins and require good management. There are many stories of packed restaurants with great reviews that still somehow end up underwater and forced to close because the management was not watching supplies, pay for employees, taxes, fees, etc. It's a very tricky business. Expand Yeah for sure. That entire industry is incredibly tough. No on is getting rich off a restaurant it seems. When I go home to visit my parents in Albany, they are always talking about a new restaurant to try out that is located in the same buildings as the ones that failed before, it's almost comical at times. Like oh that building was an Italian restaurant for 4 years then went under, then someone thought they could make a run of it as a Thai restaurant and then it lasted 2.5 years, and now there's a BBQ style joint in there, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 1:27 PM, BrianW said: I was looking at the unemployment numbers in New England. Didn't realize how bad it is in VT. Every category has had some pretty big job losses. Leisure and hospitality has a 46.5% job loss compared to July 2019. Construction is down 31.6%. How bad is it up there considering a huge portion of the jobs there are leisure and hospitality? Isn't that sector most of the economy up there? http://www.vtlmi.info/press.pdf Expand I feel like a lot of people are just "floating" right now without a job and exhausting every last source of credit they have, which gives the impression that all is well, but the huge crash is coming soon. There is a lag effect at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 3:04 PM, Damage In Tolland said: Yup no one at all should be mailing in ballots unless they are wanting to aid in potential ballot fraud Expand Ha people have been mailing in ballots for decades, I used to do it in college for NY state. But I agree, go to the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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