Tropical connection NYC forum area Sun-Wed, 8/2-5/20- Tropical Storm Isaias

[psv88]

22 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

After 4 long days, power has been restored here-the tree damage is astounding-lot of hard hit microburst/tornado type damage.

Glad you got it back. Half my town still out and 170,000 on the island. 

[Brian5671]

5 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Glad you got it back. Half my town still out and 170,000 on the island. 

At the worst of it I had no cell phone signal-had to drive into town-truly cut off from the world.

[uofmiami]

8 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Glad you got it back. Half my town still out and 170,000 on the island. 

It’s a mess across the street from me. Still no power for them and I doubt they get it back today, no crews in sight.

[psv88]

Just now, uofmiami said:

It’s a mess across the street from me. Still no power for them and I doubt they get it back today, no crews in sight.

That sucks. We got it back Wednesday, incredibly lucky. Much of our neighborhood is out 

[uofmiami]

2 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

At the worst of it I had no cell phone signal-had to drive into town-truly cut off from the world.

That’s my parents in Muttontown because they won’t allow a cell tower in the county preserve nearby. I actually have a satellite phone for them so they aren’t cut off from the world. 

[psv88]

3 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

At the worst of it I had no cell phone signal-had to drive into town-truly cut off from the world.

Yea cell service is poor in spots of the island 

[uofmiami]

Just now, psv88 said:

That sucks. We got it back Wednesday, incredibly lucky. Much of our neighborhood is out 

We lucked out. Only went to generator for 15 minutes. 

[uofmiami]

Just now, psv88 said:

Yea cell service is poor in spots of the island 

At work I’ve been on airplane mode as att cell site must be without power only get 1 bar and calls don’t work. Reminded me of Sandy. 

[rclab]

3 hours ago, TriPol said:

Can someone send me a link of the tiered environmental impact study that was done for the Brooklyn Bridge? 

Your request/point is well placed. Mr. Roebling’s proposal was accepted based on his reputation and demonstrated ability to build suspension bridges across the Niagara Gorge and the Ohio River. The only impact study took place when PT Barnum drove 21 elephants across the bridge to prove its stability. Shovels and brooms took care of the elephants impact. As always ...

[TWCCraig]

Anyone else notice the effect of the salt spray on the trees? The south side of the trees in my area are dead from the strong winds

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

11 hours ago, TWCCraig said:

Anyone else notice the effect of the salt spray on the trees? The south side of the trees in my area are dead from the strong winds

Yes it’s awful and a secondary disaster. My parents house is less then a mile from the bay in south wantagh and their huge silver maple is dropping leaves like it’s fall right now. It’s sad

[wdrag]

Impressive outage 5 days later, after Isaias passage. 1055A/9 

[bluewave]

45 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yes it’s awful and a secondary disaster. My parents house is less then a mile from the bay in south wantagh and their huge silver maple is dropping leaves like it’s fall right now. It’s sad

Same here in SW Suffolk. There is leaf burn on the south side of all the trees here near the Great South Bay. Florida experienced a similar browning of the foliage after Irma. The good news is that most of the trees didn’t experience any permanent damage.
 

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/weather/hurricanes/2017/09/20/hurricane-irma-brown-trees/684305001/
 

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/life/home-garden/spaces/2017/11/27/hurricane-irma-trees/897378001/

 

 

[tdp146]

1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Yes it’s awful and a secondary disaster. My parents house is less then a mile from the bay in south wantagh and their huge silver maple is dropping leaves like it’s fall right now. It’s sad

I was out on a friends boat and it was really pronounced from the bay. Even my big oak tree 3 miles from the water has signs of damage on the south side of the canopy. 

I remember a similar thing after Irene and things seem to recover the following year. 
 

Also- we were about three miles offshore fishing at the Hempstead reef and water temps are recovering. It was 75 all day... 

[Cfa]

I see browning trees as far north as NY-25, all on the south-facing sides, some species more affected than others. I didn’t know salt spray could get that far inland.

[lee59]

I have the same thing and I am 8 miles or so from the ocean. It could also be the wind dried out the leaves and now they are shriveling up and dropping.

[uofmiami]

There’s browning on W Shore Road heading to Bayville on the N Shore.  Saw it today heading up there. 

[wdrag]

Good Monday morning, August 10, almost a week after Isaias.  Still quite a few in our forum area that are without power-6 days later (attached).

I share a tech memo by expert world known research developers (Stan Benjamin and Ed Szoke) with those interested in use of the publicly available HRRRX wind forecast guidance (posts made Tue morning 8/4), especially inside 24 hours.  I didn't seek their permission but think they would appreciate spreading their knowledge of this valuable guidance.

--from the author's below--

Ed Szoke was also a pretty central author of a NOAA Tech Memo we published a couple of months ago

https://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/Diag-vars-NOAA-TechMemo.pdf

On pages 13-14, we described the wind gust potential diagnostic used for the RAP and HRRR models.

Ed also added a nice comparison of 4 different fields related to max winds, all of which we see used in

different situations.   Note:   We consider the diagnostic called 'wind gust' is really a 'wind gust potential'.

It's NOT a best estimate of an instantaneous wind gust, but instead is an estimate of what may occur.

There are lots of users who want to know what might happen with wind gusts.  

So that variable needs a special asymmetric kind of verification.

 

As Ed wrote in the caption for Fig. 8, for many situations, the 80m wind speed, a clean prognostic variable, is an excellent

estimate also for 10m wind gust 'potential' and maybe the best one.   Hope some of you

will find the Tech Memo useful.  603A/10

[LibertyBell]

On 8/6/2020 at 4:13 PM, donsutherland1 said:

Some wind gusts from Sandy:

East Moriches: 82 mph
Farmingdale: 90 mph
Great Gull Island: 85 mph
Jones Beach: 81 mph
Long Beach: 83 mph
New York City-JFK: 85 mph
Syosset: 82 mph

Thanks, Don!  Looks like 90 mph was the highest one from one of our official reporting stations?  Interesting that Farmingdale had the peak gust in both Sandy and Isaias.

 

[LibertyBell]

On 8/8/2020 at 12:53 PM, Cfa said:

They need to just go ahead and build the “Cross Harbor Freight Tunnel” and eliminate the need for so many trucks in the first place.

I cant stand the pollution that trucks cause either.

 

[LibertyBell]

21 hours ago, bluewave said:

Same here in SW Suffolk. There is leaf burn on the south side of all the trees here near the Great South Bay. Florida experienced a similar browning of the foliage after Irma. The good news is that most of the trees didn’t experience any permanent damage.
 

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/weather/hurricanes/2017/09/20/hurricane-irma-brown-trees/684305001/
 

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/life/home-garden/spaces/2017/11/27/hurricane-irma-trees/897378001/

 

 

I heard there were sand drifts up to a foot in parts of Fire Island?!  Sounds similar to what happened during Sandy.

 

 

[LibertyBell]

On 8/6/2020 at 4:13 PM, donsutherland1 said:

Some wind gusts from Sandy:

East Moriches: 82 mph
Farmingdale: 90 mph
Great Gull Island: 85 mph
Jones Beach: 81 mph
Long Beach: 83 mph
New York City-JFK: 85 mph
Syosset: 82 mph

Don, those 96 and 109 mph gusts you listed for Isaias, were those tornadic winds or straight line winds?  I wasn't aware that tornadic winds were listed as max gust reports for TC's.  But if we do list tornadic winds, I remember seeing that there was an EF3 tornado reported with Isaias- how fast were the estimated winds with that?  Thanks!

[donsutherland1]

35 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Don, those 96 and 109 mph gusts you listed for Isaias, were those tornadic winds or straight line winds?  I wasn't aware that tornadic winds were listed as max gust reports for TC's.  But if we do list tornadic winds, I remember seeing that there was an EF3 tornado reported with Isaias- how fast were the estimated winds with that?  Thanks!

Unfortunately, none of the wind reports distinguish between tornadic and straight line winds. The waterspout off of Cape May was listed as an EF1 tornado with 100 mph winds. I didn't see any confirmed storm reports for an EF3. Perhaps there was earlier speculation that the Cape May waterspout was an EF3 tornado.

[LibertyBell]

12 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Unfortunately, none of the wind reports distinguish between tornadic and straight line winds. The waterspout off of Cape May was listed as an EF1 tornado with 100 mph winds. I didn't see any confirmed storm reports for an EF3. Perhaps there was earlier speculation that the Cape May waterspout was an EF3 tornado.

I think the EF3 was down in NC, maybe the one that caused those two deaths?

 

[Juliancolton]

My 2.40" one-hour rainfall total this evening easily bests my Isaias storm total of 1.97". The post-tropical storm remains the leader in sending entire states back to the Stone Age, however.

[gravitylover]

12 hours ago, Juliancolton said:

My 2.40" one-hour rainfall total this evening easily bests my Isaias storm total of 1.97". The post-tropical storm remains the leader in sending entire states back to the Stone Age, however.

You got rain yesterday? Lucky... Not a drop here. Again. 

[Brian5671]

52 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

You got rain yesterday? Lucky... Not a drop here. Again. 

drying out quickly here after a foot of rain in July

[gravitylover]

I'm not even at 5" altogether since the beginning of July. Both "big" storms didn't even add up to 1.5" and everything else has been .5 or less. June was bone dry. It's crazy how big the difference is around the region and how it shows in such a small an area. 

[Juliancolton]

On 8/11/2020 at 8:54 AM, gravitylover said:

You got rain yesterday? Lucky... Not a drop here. Again. 

Add another inch to that last night. Feast or famine these days. 

[gravitylover]

3 minutes ago, Juliancolton said:

Add another inch to that last night. Feast or famine these days. 

I had a few hours of fog this morning  It's already into the low 80's and climbing fast so further drying is on tap. Yay...